"Wonderwall": I Don't Get It

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The verses are pretty good but the chorus is dreadful and whiny -- it's not so much Liam's adenoidalism but the melody and sustained notes. Why the universal praise for this song, even from Oasis hat0rz?

― Aaron A., Monday, 4 July 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't aware there was some universal consensus on this song...I loathe it, personally.

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

the lyrics are the same as the lyrics to champagne supernova, except where they said "champagne supernova" in champagne supernova, they say "wonderwall" instead. i always thought that was pretty cool.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

"universal" is hyperbole natch, but it does get a lot of props from ppl WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER (xpost)

― Aaron A., Monday, 4 July 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Today is gonna be the day
Where somewhere you will find me
By now you should have known how
I'll be caught beneath a landslide
Because maybe
You're gonna be the one
Who walks down the hall
Faster than a cannonball
And after all
You're my wonderwall

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I never noticed!

― Aaron A., Monday, 4 July 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

God, this song pisses me off.

― Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Also secretly the same song, "Girls and Boys" and "Country House." Perhaps.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I'll always remember a night in Berkeley at Blake's where everyone was going about their drinking business (cool kids, jocks, euros, etc - Blake's got all kinds), and "Wonderwall" came on the jukebox. When the chorus came on everyone started to sing along with it spontaneously. I'd always liked the song very much, but it was a startling moment even for me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

raggett you does gets carried away easily, does you nots?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

they were like lemmon and mcdaltrey:

"Say something
Shout it from the roof tops off your head,
Maybe sort of mean something,
Make me understand or I'll forget

You could hear the wise speeches
Wish upon a wave that had a sound
Recommend what life teaches
You to build a castle in your head"

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

this song - singlehandedly - almost put the berlin wall back up:

"It's a bit early in the midnight hour for me,
To go through all the things that I want to be,
I don't believe in everything I see,
Y'know I'm blind so why d'you disagree

Take me away, cos I just dont want to stay,
And the lies you make me say are getting deeper every day,

These are crazy days but they make me shine,
Time keeps rolling by.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

What you gonna do when the walls come falling down,
You never move you never make a sound,
When you gonna swin with the ridges that you found,
If you're lost at sea well I hope that you drown,

Take me away, cos I just dont want to stay,
And the lies you make me say are getting deeper every day,

These are crazy days but they make me shine,
Time keeps rolling by.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

And All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa,
Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa,
Naaaa, naaaa, naaaaa, naaaaa, nanananana,
Nanananana, nanananana,

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

And All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

Cos All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day.

And All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

It's gonna be okay!
It's gonna be okay!
It's gonna be okay!
It's gonna be okay!

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day,

Cos All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You're gonna make a better day,

All Around The World,
You gotta spread the word,
Tell 'em what you heard,
You know it's gonna be okay.

La lalalala la lalala la,
La lalalala la lalala la.

And I know what I know,
What I know what I know,
Yeah I know what I know,
It's gonna be okay.

And I know what I know,
What I know what I know,
Yeah I know what I know,

It's gonna be okay.

And I know what I know,
What I know what I know
Yeah I know what I know
Pig's don't fly - never say die!!!

So things are gonna fly - never say die!!!
Things are gonna fly - never say die.

Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa
Nanana, nanana, nananana nananaaa

Things are gonna fly - never say die!!! So things are gonna fly - never say die!!!"

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

I honestly find it difficult that ANYONE likes ANYTHING by oasis.
I really do.

(And all the yawning poses! at least that's funny.)

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Also secretly the same song, "Girls and Boys" and "Country House." Perha

No no no no no. One of those is genius, and the other one is total crap.

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

as i said, missta raggett he does gets carried away sometimes.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

No, "Girls And Boys" is not total crap. "Country House" is of course genius, that much is true. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Geir OTM, as always.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

girls and boys was awesome. there hasn't been a better 80's homage since.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

actually, that might not be true. there was the bloodhound gang and len since then.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 4 July 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I was going to play Country House to make sure that it sounds nothing like Girls, but it's so crappy that I apparently deleted it off my ibook and my ipod. That album just... eh. Someone needed to slap Damon and remind him how to write songs.

On the other hand, I pulled up Wonderwall and Champage Supernova, and I kind of hear more similiarities between Morning Glory and Wonderwall.

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 4 July 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Would you believe - they were playing some best of Blur album in the pub a couple of weeks ago, and without the clip, it was evident that 'COuntry House' was the only really good song Blur ever wrote!

As for 'Wonderwall' - he's obviously singing to his own hard-on, as usual. All Oasis lyrics are a man addressing his own organ.

― moley, Monday, 4 July 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mikeflowerspops.com/disco/wonder.jpg

is one reason why this song has subconsciously shifted from "hit single by band" to "iconic important age-defining monster track" in most people's minds, IMHO.

- they don't do parody versions of any old song, so it must have been an important song

- the easy/lounge version was actually pretty decent, so it must have been a good song

(just brainstorming here, trying to answer your "Why the universal praise for this song" question)

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

to be fair, Liam is the only singer I can think of whose live singing style resembles that of a hogtied man being forced to perform oral sex on a basketball player, so that's gotta count for something.

http://www.undercover.com.au/pics/oasisliamros2002.jpg

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Monday, 4 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Have we done a "Wonderwall" vs "Angels" thread yet? And, also, how do reactions to this song vary from the board's British posters, where these songs are IMPORTANT CULTURAL ARTEFACTS, to US posters, where they're minor hits by insignificant acts?

"Wonderwall"= laddism finally admits it has a soft side. See also: Labour winning the 1997 elections.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 4 July 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

'Wonderwall' was one of Oasis's better songs. It was fucking dreadful.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 4 July 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone heard Paul Anka's version of "Wonderwall" yet? If not, you should ...

― Chris O., Monday, 4 July 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

He's done it whose way, then?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 4 July 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Honestly, when Noel sings it, its way better...

― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Monday, 4 July 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I do think it's about time someone asked the question: "Liam, what the hell is up with your onstage singing style anyway?" Also, I do not understand that shirt(?) he is wearing in that pic above.

― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Dom- Champagne Supernova was pretty much inescapable for a year when it was released here. I don't think it was a minor hit- so it wasn't an IMPORTANT CULTURAL ARTIFACT but it was a very big hit.

― lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

I admit it - I hate Oasis but I kinda like this song. But the reason I like Wonderwall is purely because of the bridge section before each chorus, the bit that goes "and all the roads that lead us there are winding" etc etc; theres something rather uplifting about the rhythm guitar in that bit that makes up for the shit chorus and singing in general. I can like a part of a song and excuse the rest, somehow ;)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

That's, like, 1/8th of the song!
Even if i thought that was the best bridge ever I would still not be able to cope with the rest of it. I share Aarons confusion about the popularity of this song.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

It's not hard to fall
When you float like a wonderwall

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

Everything that Oasis did up to this point was good. I especially liked their B-sides but it didn’t last.

― BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah, this song was the final straw for me.

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

i don't understand why it was such a big hit. For a ballad it isn't very touching. did anyone stand in the rain with a boombox over their head playing this to their girlfriend?

― keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

did oasis sing at live 8 ?

― wankernerd, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

their greatest songs is "let's all make beleive" the bside of "go let it out"

― elise, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

if you need an explanation of this song's impact and legend, just get 8 or 9 american males between the ages of 19-23 totally wasted and let them loose on a room at a karaoke place (preferrably in koreatown) and all the mysteries of the universe will be revealed.

― derfymcderfles, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

Would you believe - they were playing some best of Blur album in the pub a couple of weeks ago, and without the clip, it was evident that 'COuntry House' was the only really good song Blur ever wrote!

I think this is nonsense and I don't even like Blur.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

it's far from their best.

― That One Guy (That One Guy), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

The Great Escape is a really dire album overall- and I say this as someone who adores Blur. The Universal is sorta half decent, still but not much worth listening to.

There's apparently a Beastie Boys cover of Wonderwall floating around on the interweb. I tried downloading a copy of it, but it wouldn't play in iTunes for me.

― lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Blur have plenty of great songs, and I like "Wonderwall." Neither band's music has ever particularly bothered me, but I haven't had the urge to listen to either band in a while, with the exception of Oasis's new record, which I only listened through twice out of curiosity. Normally if I'm in the mood for that kind of music, I would much rather listen to Pulp or Supergrass or Ash, but perhaps that's just me.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:18 (twenty years ago)

Dunno if Beasties proper ever did Wonderwall, but I saw them soundcheck it on the Quasar tour of Australia in 1997 (but with the non-Quasar set-up of (I think) Adrock on vocals, AWOL on bass, Yauch on guitar and Mike D on drums). They did encore it at another show that got bootlegged on video...

― kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)

I think wonderwall is pretty fucking horrible.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

Something I've always noticed about loud indie bands, when they deliver an acoustic guitar version of one of their noisy songs, the fans suddenly sit down, become all serious and marvel at the (apparent) sheer ... despite the fact it has just been transformed into the kind of music they'd never otherwise touch with a barge pole.

The same goes for loud bands that release a ballad as a (typically the 3rd) single ... hence the Wonderwall problem. For a start, imagine the melody with out the backing...

― Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

Sure - as Mike Flowers showed, the production on this song could really tilt it in any direction - it could almost be a Stock Aitken and Waterman tune from 1986 with the right production, ie trebly drum pattern, disco bass and ticky-tick hihats.

― moley, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

"wonderwall" is just oasis's "beth," really.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

It could even be remixed by DJ Sammy. The perfect follow up to 'Boys of Summer'.

Miss Kitten could do it. Or The Pogues.

― moley, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

a-bing-bing-bing-mm-darr...

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 253 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Yeah, don't link back in anger.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:54 (seven years ago)

Okay, the reason I linked it, as is probably obvious, is as an exhibit A of Turrican Sam’s pedantic a-little-knowledge-plus-google-search-is-dangerous-thing approach to musicology.

― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

I'm glad it's been pointed out! I actually hadn't seen Tim's response to that, and I've no problem with Tim (always a great guy to talk '60s stuff with, amongst other things and I enjoy his posts) so I should get around to responding to that - definitely not an augmented chord on "toasted", though, and 'Autumn Almanac' really is a proper "fistful of chords" type of track. The "yer doing it wrong" was meant in jest, and kinda a Troggs Tapes reference which I thought maybe Tim would get.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

I've invited legendary jazz fusion guitarist Alan Holdsworth to the thread, he'll be conducting a webinar at 4PM EST today on the chordal structures of Oasis songs, if you sign up you'll also receive his eBook "Phrygian Mode for Beginners", a $20 value

― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

Okay, the reason I linked it, as is probably obvious, is as an exhibit A of Turrican Sam’s pedantic a-little-knowledge-plus-google-search-is-dangerous-thing approach to musicology.

There is a difference, your link was to highlight a prior, hopefully relevant, conversation you'd had with I'm Turrican and not some shitty, if risible, ploy to try to discredit another poster.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:04 (seven years ago)

I've invited legendary jazz fusion guitarist Alan Holdsworth to the thread, he'll be conducting a webinar at 4PM EST today on the chordal structures of Oasis songs, if you sign up you'll also receive his eBook "Phrygian Mode for Beginners", a $20 value

As an extra added attraction he will be bringing along fellow white SG player and Tempest bandmate Ollie Halsall

― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

I thought you posted the link for that reason, James Redd, and I thought it was apt. We're just being snarky ;)

― Frederik B, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:07 (seven years ago)

Will he answer Rutles questions? Xpost

― Mark G, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:07 (seven years ago)

I assume James is referring to the discussion where A, A7 and A9 were listed as seperate chords - but those chords have a specific appeal to them which is why people choose to use them. They sound different, therefore they should be referred to as different.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:07 (seven years ago)

It should be worth mentioning that at no point during the thread I referred to anyone else as a retard, though.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:08 (seven years ago)

Turrican, I tried yellowcarding you but can't tell if it worked or not. Check your email.

― mod, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

This is news to me!

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:15 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvYDQBIokz0

― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

Will he answer Rutles questions? Xpost

Only if properly provided with sufficient quantities of Cheese & Onion crisps

― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:19 (seven years ago)

Hey Turrican, sent you a follow-up email.

― mod, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)

I can't access it, I'm afraid.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 18:56 (seven years ago)

Oh, so you didn't see either of them?

― mod, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

Nope, haven't seen either of 'em.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:05 (seven years ago)

Original email was a warning that you were getting close to 51 and to maybe dial it back a bit. Second was a mea culpa because you are significantly less close to 51 than I thought: a number of your FPs had been from older than 6 months ago and needed to be deleted. The suggestion to dial it back a bit still seems like reasonable advice to me though. I'm not going to weigh in on whatever's going on in this thread because I don't want to accidentally learn the chords to Wonderwall.

― mod, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)

mod what's yr take on pedal points?

― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:18 (seven years ago)

x-post:

Hahahahaha, fair enough! :)

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:19 (seven years ago)

(xp) pedal notes.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:37 (seven years ago)

("Pedal point" and "pedal tone" are equally acceptable terminology tbf.)

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:48 (seven years ago)

Mea culpa #2

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:52 (seven years ago)

... withdrawal #2

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

(xp) pedal notes.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, April 4, 2018 2:37 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tom sorry I should have been more upfront I'm John Petrucci of Dream Theater, in the Theater we always say "pedal points"

― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:02 (seven years ago)

I'd like to toast points

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:03 (seven years ago)

lmao ums

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:05 (seven years ago)

The hell, this thread exploded.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:10 (seven years ago)

A lot of contentious points/tones/notes came up.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:14 (seven years ago)

Mostly chordial.

― nashwan, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 20:58 (seven years ago)

Pedal pedantry was a delightful new thing for me

― startled macropod (MatthewK), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 21:21 (seven years ago)

Did anyone ever make effects pedals which were also bike pedals and which you could only use while simultaneously pedaling a stationary bike and going ham on a guitar, because if not I will file my patent now and build one for u.

― Orbital Ribbonbopper, Inventor of Flying and Popcorn (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 22:11 (seven years ago)

It's been mentioned here before but yes, all this song has going for is a few details like the way the second verse starts with cello/vocals then drums then bass. That really works. Also, the melody of the pre-chorus is kinda nice. It is in the chorus when things really go wrong. So lazy and anti-climatic! Perhaps they wanted to break the pattern of full-blown anthemic choruses for a change, but it really doesn't work. Although it clearly must work for some people.

― daavid, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 22:34 (seven years ago)

wish I'd made a $2 bet that a pedal geek fight would erupt on a thread about "wonderwall"

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 23:34 (seven years ago)

I mean, "Soon", sure, I get that

― thots and players (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 23:35 (seven years ago)

Pedals are for lames, real shredders use racks

― brimstead, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 23:35 (seven years ago)

Backbeat, word is on the street / That the fire in this thread is out

― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 5 April 2018 00:03 (seven years ago)

Pedal point geeks i need u

― Rudy’s Mood For Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 April 2018 04:41 (seven years ago)

Wild thread

― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 April 2018 05:10 (seven years ago)

gallagheresque

― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Thursday, 5 April 2018 05:16 (seven years ago)

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/articles/this-british-song-has-just-been-voted-the-best-of-all-time/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=042018britishsong

― fleetwood machiavellian (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 April 2018 13:48 (seven years ago)

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― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Sunday, 15 April 2018 18:25 (seven years ago)

three weeks pass...

lmaooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFvREW50hFk

― frogbs, Monday, 7 May 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

Ha. catching up: UMS and Vancouver Jim brought some serious wisdom upthread.

― NO REGERTS (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 7 May 2018 18:14 (seven years ago)

namaste

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 7 May 2018 18:43 (seven years ago)

seven years pass...

anyway here's wonderwall

https://www.tiktok.com/@ro_cocoa/video/7522018819909422391

― 龜, Thursday, 3 July 2025 13:01 (six months ago)

And that, my friends, is how you (not you) troll.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 July 2025 13:24 (six months ago)

I’ve never gotten it either

― Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 4 July 2025 10:45 (six months ago)

This is great.. (haven’t seen the full film)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfpCRtHQZ6M

― piscesx, Saturday, 5 July 2025 02:29 (six months ago)

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