Kraut Rock Vs. Prog Rock

(Krautrock wins.)

Kraut wuld be bands like Kraftwerk, Cluster, Neu, Can, stuff in that vein.

Prog is for the geeks, Kraut is for the freaks.

I like both but I'm going for the Prog.

sure, and red noise, catherine ribiero & alpes, fille qui mousse, semool, ame son...

Yes, Krautrock is better. Achim Reichel, Agitation Free, Can, Amon Duul, Harmonia, Walter Wegmuller ...

But on the prog side you have Soft Machine, Aksak Maboul ...

Prog is soft, middle class, and has TOO. Many. NOTES. I don't consider Pink Floyd to be prog at all--they are arena rock, plain and simple, and their early stuff if closer to Krautrock than it is to prog (consider Interstellar OVerdrive etc etc).

Not even close to being prog. have you actually listened to any BOC? Don't lie now.

No, "Burnin' for You" is a pop song, one of two BOC numbers that charted, built on a sneaky reggae pattern and like most songs that Buck Dharma had something to do with, owes more to surf music and lyrical guitar melody. You're mixing up the background vocals and some fairly straight keyboard work with mellotron. In any case, King Crimson's old use of mellotron is completely different than anything Blue Oyster Cult did.

Blue Oyster Cult was also very blues-based, with many straight rock and roll riffs and heavy boogie patterns built into their albums. King Crimson was about as far from that as one could get and still be on the same planet, unless you count "Ladies of the Road," which was kind of like a one-off from "Islands."

Anyway, sorry, that's not on topic but there sure are a lot of Krautrock threads this morning.

(Also, to answer the question, I think there's too much overlap to answer properly. I've never been quite sure of the parameters that punctuate the continuum between spacerock and prog and dronerock and krautrock - the above dilemma just underlining the fact that "krautrock" is more than just a geographical description of bands from Germany, blah blah etc.)

VAN. DER. GRAAF. GENERATOR.

I missed out on 'prog' and the little I know, the less I want to.

So, k/rock 4 me.

And look, I'm so proud of myself, I didn't rise to the bait of asking what "middle class" sounds like.

The Guide to the Progressive Rock Genres
http://www.gepr.net/genre2.html

CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
ORGANIZATION
ROCK
Symphonic Rock/Progressive Rock/"Prog"
Forms Tangential and Peripheral to Symphonic Rock/Progressive Rock
Avant Progressive/Avant Rock
On the Way to Jazz ...
JAZZ / JAZZ ROCK / FUSION
Jazz Pioneers
Fusion
Kozmigroov
Funk
Experimental, Free and Avant-Jazz
Indo-Fusion
On the Way to Folk ...
FOLK / FOLK ROCK
Styles of Folk and Folk Rock
The Influence of Traditional and Ethnic Music
On the Way to Electronic and Beyond ...
ELECTRONIC
Pioneers
Schools of Electronic Music
UNCLASSIFIED
APPENDIX (Heavy Metal)
CREDITS

Is there another space-rock band called Quarkspace or has he really badly misspelled Quickspace?

US band inspired by Hawkwind

Among the truly hardcore "prog" fans, most would find something to like and dislike about both.

Prog is for geeks, Kraut is for freaks
I'm not sure it ain't exactly the opposite (and I don't necessarily mean that to be complimentary to Prog)

Prog is soft, middle class, and has TOO. Many. NOTES.
Yep. Prog wins.

The problem with the debate is that kraut and prog don't have unifying sounds- there is no "prog sound" or "kraut sound." Kraut is just German rock from the late sixties to the mid seventies (and arguably the bands after). Tangerine Dream has nothing musically to do with Popol Vuh which has nothing to do with Faust, which in turn has little to do with Neu! or Amon Duul- there is no genre to speak of. Kraut is just a broad geographical category, like say, Spanish or Italian pop/rock.

So vs? What's that even supposed to look like? A bunch of desparate bands and genres from the world vs. a bunch of desparate bands from Germany?

and also about the influence. the wild freeform mutlimedia improvs at the ufo club--sound tracked by floyd, soft machine, and tomorrow--had more influence on developing experimental music everywhere than cope's monks did on german progressive music

xpost--yeah, xhol caravan's got this languid doorsy kind of jazz going on that can be less than exciting sometimes

tim, "larks' tongue part i" might satisfy your taste for modernistic aesthetic extremism. also on that same album, "the talking drum" is indistinguishable from any of the songs can released around the same time (future days-soon over babaluma), except for the violin screach leading into "larks' tongue part ii" ( a song too concerned with agglomerating rythmic dynamics to pass for any of the more austere german prog). the title song to "starless and bible black" isn't remotely fierce, but more along the meandering lines of "quantum physics" or "interstellar overdrive." "The Mincer" could pass for "kraut" rock, if the vocals had a german, not british accent. "the great deceiver" is probably the most ferocious song on sbb, but it's not as unhinged as ash ra tempel at their most improvisational. maybe try randy holden's population ii for rock that makes ash ra sound calm?

Also U.K.-based Hapshash and the Coloured Coat. Featuring the Human Host and the Heavy Metal Kids (great album, BTW) seems to me a clear harbinger of Amon Duul 1 lunacy.

"Interstellar Overdrive" seems a bit of a krautrock precursor and may have been influential.

Feeling compelled to cart out once again for consideration the entertainingly petulant Klaus Schulze from his Perfect Sound Forever interview:

"PSF: It's been suggested that John Cage, Terry Riley and Karlheinz Stockhausen influenced your work. Is this fair?

KS: "Fair"? It's neither fair nor unfair. Better words would be: nonsense, absurd, false. Every time a journalist cannot cope (pun intended) with a certain music, he mentions "Stockhausen" as a kind of synonym. Have you ever checked Stockhausen's output? About five compositions could be called "electronic," and they were done about thirty to forty years ago, made with an oscillator or something like this. He did over hundred of other compositions that have no relation whatsoever to electronic music. And what I've heard sounds awful to my ears and to most other people's ears.

Stockhausen is maybe a good theorist, but, who's listening voluntarily to his actual music, and who "enjoys" it?

I also had – and have – nothing to do with Cage nor Riley, not their music nor their theories and philosophies (if they have any). This is simply not my world. When I started to do my music, and before, I was listening to Jimi Hendrix and Pink Floyd, to the Spotnicks and Ventures before that, but not to the names you mention. Nobody in my surrounding and in my age did. This was a kind of "culture" that just did not exist among us.

Only many years after – and because every third journalist asked me about "Stockhausen" – I finally bought his theoretic books and I read them. Interesting stuff, I must admit, but the results are not my cup of tea."

(That all being said, I do find his "but who enjoys it?" comment rather bold for somebody who released The Dresden Performance)

There, we must be up to 3 1/2 stars at least

AS CLEVELAND PUNK BAND: 3 1/2 STARS.

AS NEBULOUSLY-DEFINED SPIRITUAL WICCAN IDIOT-FEST: 0 STARS.

MY YEARS ON THE BENCH TELL ME YOU HAVE NEEN REFERRING TO THE LAST OF THE THREE. IF YOU HAVE A DEFENSE, THE BENCH IS WILLING TO HEAR YOUR PLEA.

WHY DO TEH CATHOLIC ITALIANS NEVER WANT TO MAKE PAGAN FREAKOUTS?

*pagans

YOU HAVE NO SAY IN MY JUDGMENTS BECAUSE IN THIS FORUM JUDGES ARE NEITHER ELECTED NOR APPOINTED, BUT BESTOWED.

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/c/can/future-days-soon-over-babaluma-unlimited-edition-landed.shtml

and for balance, by cosmic coincidence, this ran today too

http://dustedmagazine.com/reviews/2268