mansun 'six'.

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no thread for this aleady?

this is the best of the britpop-bands-go-weird albums by a country mile. it was obvious career suicide, it had tunes and hooks all over it, it has fantastic geetar, and it's lyrics appears to tell the tale of a man in the midst of a genuine nervous breakdown. like 'the holy bible' without the laughs. recently it came to light that the sequencing of the tracks without a break in such a bizarre fashion, was a tribute to prince's 80's albums.

i love it. am i alone?

piscesboy, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

the tom baker cameo is probably one of the best things he's ever done.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

the marillion-esque cover made many run for the hills however great it actually is.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

that cover had a definite mcgoohan/prisoner fixation.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

i got this when a friend wouldn't stop going on about it, and fell in love with it.

anti-everything was my getting up for school anthem, if i got to the end of cancer it meant i was late.

death of tom (death of tom), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

their best album. bonkers cover, bonkers lyrics.
fave tracks: "six", "negative", "legacy".
victoria segal's review of it in NME was pretty funny.

Neil FC (Neil FC), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

The first one was better, but yes, Six is good. But not great. http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1651

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Was the US cover different? I don't remember it being bonkers. The vocals sure are bonkers, though. Jarring mix of Wham! vocals and britpop guitars.

Richard K (Richard K), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Danish epic rockers Mew are carrying on the Mansun Six torch in the 00s

Mew
http://www.mewsite.com/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

Taking Sides: Mansun vs. Kula Shaker

MANSUN: Classic or Dud?

I love Mansun, and Six has some amazing moments ("Shotgun" and the title track being my faves), but there's an awful lot of what the fuck? moments.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I preferred the first album, but this has so many great moments that you can't help but love it.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Everybody now....

"The nature of uncarved blocks......"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Believe it or not, this is my favorite record EVER. And even if that title doesn't hold up 30 years from now, I can't imagine another record having as much influence on my life.

(see here for more of my gushing)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 7 July 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

It's heroically daft = it's great, in this case. The last six minutes or so of "Being A Girl" (edited out of US pressings!) are bliss.

Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 7 July 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

the american cover:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00000IMY5.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

the british cover:
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00000I7B2.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Neil FC (Neil FC), Thursday, 7 July 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

i think i will have to find my copy and listen to this again.

W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 7 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

wasn't aware of the diff cover .. (guess we have a thread about UK covers vs USA covers somewhere - after all Devo did this, as well as Art of Noise etc etc etc )


i so much prefer the mad uk version of this one though ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 7 July 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

The American cover seemed like such a middle finger to the band, as if to suggest that the record company overrode their artistic integrity, asserting that Americans would either deride or ignore the original cover.

It just so happens, in this case, that they were right (though the album went largely ignored anyway).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
My favourite album of all time - From Australia

Anonymous77, Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
http://www.nme.com/news/mansun/23865

a new best of including some non-singles is a-comin!

wisely they've added 'chad who loved me' to it,
unsurprsingly, nothing non-single-ish from 'six' is featured.

pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

HTF did I not find this thread before?

*restrains self with superhuman effort from 2000-word dissertation"

If Mew are ANYTHING like 'Six', I'm buying all their albums.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

I love this album too... far exceeds the very out-of-date-now (tho featuring a few likeable pop tunes) debut. Brilliant in a possibly ill-advised and drastically eccentric way, which is entirely missing from UK indie rock today where dull-reality principle is all.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

HTF did I not find this thread before?
*restrains self with superhuman effort from 2000-word dissertation"

________________________

unrestrain yourself sir! at all speed!

pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

OTM, and I'll keep saying it until they drag me off to cure me of my ultraviolent tendencies. Still my favourite (last time I checked).

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

that was xpost, btw. Pisces, I would but Dom Passantino would find a way to cut my balls off.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I know there's a lot of love for this album, but I've never been able to listen to it all the way through. It's interesting that this thread was just revived since I was just weeding my CD's last night and it got tossed in the pile. Somebody convince me why I shouldn't sell this for a dollar at my garage sale next week.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

It's the finest album I've ever heard, and I've heard LOVELESS??????

(lock thread? ;-D)

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

The more conventional indie-rock in the middle of side 2 is its only flaw...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I need more than empty platitudes!

Why is the album weird (as many people insist)? I don't remember it well but I don't remember it being weird.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

OK, it's not 'weird' It's guitar-bass-synth rock played by men who have no compunction shifting the entire focus of a song without warning, who are entirely uncompromising in their song lengths and structures, whose guitarist has every effects pedal under the sun, who micro-manage their songs so that every last detail is seen to and every second is chock-full of surprises, twists, and strange bleeps, whose singer's voice is perhaps my own favourite for joining in with in its sheer outgoing abandon, and whose best song (Cancer) has to be heard to be rationally believed, containing the best riff, best chorus, best solo and best final breakdown the 1990s managed to produce.

I'm up for writing more but here come the ILM old guard with their secateurs so mebbe not...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Gekoppel, I take it you mean 'Legacy' and 'Special-Blown It'? If so, Legacy perhaps (still gorgeous) but Special-Blown It is HARDLY mainstream in its utterly schizophrenic structure?

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Also it's got the most godawful cringeworthy motherfucking cover in the world ever.

AND a spoken word segue by Dr Who.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Louis, as long you continue to use such blatantly absolutist writing, you shouldn't complain about being mocked. You are just asking for it!

The US cover of "Six" is actually very ordinary.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

"Minutes bleed into hours, bleed into days. Something keeps me in this disinfected womb."

I love that cover. Never in the history of rock has an album cover so brilliantly evoked the spirit of 'Where's Wally?'. Spot-The-Reference has never been such vicarious fun...

xpost

The thing is, my absolutist style depends upon the reader being aware that it's just my subjective and often deliberately exaggerated opinion. Not everything I say should be taken without a pinch of salt. And yes, the Americans ruined all the fun. No tardis = no joy.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

The cover is dreck, but the tom baker monologue-interlude thing is great, actually (alright- straightfacedly silly but great)... The backing music is harpsichords and opera singers and stuff, isn't it, it really very nicely done...

Oh and Jagger- yeah, I am referring to those two. The intro to "Special" is fine, but the actual song is merely so-so... its the lack of hypermanic editing or fx abuse that bores me slightly about these songs in comparison with the rest of the album.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Well, they're sandwiched between IMO the two best non-Cancer songs so any antipathy should be quickly forgotten. You're right, though; S-BI doesn't really have the same 'micromanagement' I referred to earlier, and Legacy could do with a major curveball about 4 minutes in.

The problem isn't with the cover, it's with the sleeve booklet, which contains about 30 different (tacky) band photos. :S

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think they were a very slash-novel-ready act... from what I recall... that might go some way to explaining the preponderance of dodgy black and white band-shots...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Louis Jagger smokes crack and I don't care. I gave the effort to relisten to the album and it's as utterly mediocre as I remember it. Ugh, the vocals are grating and intolerable. And if that's the "best" riff and the "best chorus", then I don't know what to tell you. The music is utter shite. And "Cancer" is atrocious. And off it goes to the garage sale. 1 dollar next saturday. Right next to the two JJ72 discs which are equally rubbish.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Friday, 11 August 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

Poor Louis.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

ooh JJ72. that first album was great in places.

pisces (piscesx), Friday, 11 August 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

the thing about louis which i don't get is that surely he is too young for the music he likes? i can imagine people from, say, my year going on about bands like mansun in this way in their first year of uni - i KNEW people who did exactly that, in much the same words! (they have now recanted obv) - but surely louis should be talking about, i dunno, the white stripes or something? he would have been 11 when mansun were at their (hem hem) 'peak' and most people don't form this kind of indie-attachment to the music they loved when they were 11 - indeed most people's teenage years are spent trying to distance themselves from it.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

jj72 were spectacularly awful what are you ON about!!!!!!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 08:28 (nineteen years ago)

weirdly ive been getting back into attack of the grey lantern for a couple of weeks now...

time right for a mansun revival????

gutted I never saw them live, but Im sure the live show that they have in my head is better than anything in the real world.

danny boy (danny boy), Friday, 11 August 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, it's only like people my age going gaga for Fools Gold. The very recent "just missed" past is always most appealing to a certain kind of speccy geek, because of the "I was SO NEARLY THERE" frustration and wonderment.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

...over Mansun

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

OK yeah, but you know what I mean. Louis is quite posh I'm imaginig so that probably accounts for some of it.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

There's a difference between 'well brought-up' and 'posh', Nick, although I'll freely admit to having had an extremely privileged education.

How this has any bearing on my music taste, well, I'm stumped.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and Lex, my music taste is either inherited from my father's CD collection, my friends, or (mainly) word-of-mouth Internet research. I wasn't 'there' for any of the 90's material I like, it's all been retrospective.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

well it's been 18 months. let's talk about SIX.

pisces, Thursday, 6 March 2008 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

Still love the title track.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 6 March 2008 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

Paul's unseen 'Making Of SIX' footage is here btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir2YxH5pkHE

piscesx, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 02:06 (seventeen years ago)

maybe I should listen to this again. But I have I given my copy to Oxfam?

The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 16:05 (seventeen years ago)

Oh, I'd say something generally favourable and (this time) non-absolutist but there's no point really, it'll just get the same derisive reaction. Give it a listen, yeah, but don't enjoy it whatever you do, because people aren't supposed to make music like this, and any sort of connection to the Britpop 'scene' automatically equals irredeemable crap, unlike, say, any modern commercial R&B artist, whose completely unmeritous caterwaulings are (by dint of their very commercialisation) worthy of the most infinitesimal dissection and understanding apprailsal by the goodfolk of ILM. Mansun? A load of pretentious, flamboyant students? Give me a break. Root out the ridiculous music, throw it in the fire. We want our heroes to be controlled sophisticates, not self-deprecating jesters. OMG A HARPSICHORD-LADEN OPERA-SINGER-INFESTED INTERLUDE EMERGENCY EARWASH ARGH ARGH RID MY HEAD OF THIS ABSURDITY I CAN'T TAKE IT A BIT OF THEATRE IN MY MUSIC OH NO SIREE ARE YOU PUT OFF YET ARE YOU FUCKING PUT OFF YET

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS ALBUM...IT WILL REPULSE YOU

Just got offed, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)

settle down beavis

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 17:31 (seventeen years ago)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 17:52 (seventeen years ago)

two weeks pass...

draper to reveal THE TRUTH about six; world NOT REALLY THAT BOTHERED. except some people on ILM.

not me, incidentally. i just spotted this on DiS and thought of louis.

grimly fiendish, Sunday, 3 August 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)

I've spoken about it with Draper himself via Fbook chat. Way ahead of ya! :D

Just got offed, Sunday, 3 August 2008 22:22 (seventeen years ago)

Not quite a hot girl in your bed but I can see how these things matter to you.

Matt DC, Sunday, 3 August 2008 23:01 (seventeen years ago)

Although what with this and the 10th anniversary of Bring It On I can see how you must be excited. All we need now is for someone to commemorate the first Six By Seven album and it'll be like Brazil in 1970 round your house.

Matt DC, Sunday, 3 August 2008 23:07 (seventeen years ago)

Well, you know, time and a place for all things...

Just got offed, Sunday, 3 August 2008 23:11 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

I feel I have finally reached a balanced, reasonable perspective about this album, and can discuss it rationally. It dazzled me then and I thought it was the greatest thing ever. It dazzles me now and I merely regard it as brilliant. Its power is undeniable, and Draper's own explanations, although often rambling, endear it to me as a record whose making is scarcely credible, a succession of happy accidents and musical mania.

We were all in the car the other night. It was dark. Random shuffle on my brother's iPod. Being A Girl came on. Everyone fell silent. For eight minutes, Mansun were glorious, and we uttered not a word. It had been a while since I last put that song on, but even allowing for this, it was like hearing it for the first time, the 200 mph escalating bliss-out. These guys really fucking had something.

alien vs the smiths (country matters), Monday, 21 September 2009 22:52 (sixteen years ago)

Love playing this album to non-brits so much.

Jamie_ATP, Monday, 21 September 2009 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

god i love this album

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)

not going to read thread, don't care, this rocks

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)

When I (very, very infrequently) listen to (small parts, in isolation, of) this album, any sense of enjoyment (and some of it is very enjoyable) is tempered by the same sense of embarrassment that hits me every time I think about buying Misplaced Childhood by Marillion.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)

I like this album a lot. Then again, I also like 'Misplaced Childhood', which is the only Marillion album I ever liked. Some great music on both, and I'm not embarrassed about liking either of them at all.

Turrican, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)


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