"Stone in Love" - Classic or Greatest 4:25 In The History Of The Bay Area?

'good' prog = basement musicians overextending themselves, 'bad' prog = supersessioneers playing stuff for stadiums. 'bad' prog is the stuff people like and critics cannot get their heads around however 'playful' they're being. Or to put it another way, if you can't get your head around Journey's "Stone in Love" then you're still outside looking in. "Stone in Love", holy fuck! The guy plays a DIFFERENT FILL on every fuckin' bar, the ending is in like 11/8 time, there's modal inversions and stacked harmonies and it's STILL A FUCKIN' STADIUM ROCK SONG. Plus it makes me play 'air drums' uncontrollably. Anybody can appreciate Greenslade and PFM from arm's length cuz they fulfill the categorical imperative but "SIL" appeals to people who don't know why they like it as well as being the most complicated fuckin' song I've ever heard and thus is off limits to anybody still constrained by punk orthodoxy which is really utilitarianism with safety pins! To borrow a phrase from Fritz Wollner (where the fuck is he these days? Come back!), Jon Anderson = Che, Steve Perry = Castro, whoever you (want to?) 'identify' with more determines whether you actually 'get' prog or if you're just 'playing' at it! (Contrary to received opinion 'prog' is NOT about the 'playing' [instro-spaking], otherwise they'd 'jam' more)
-- dave q, November 3rd, 2003
oh and dave's posts rule, too. I've always loved "Stone in Love", but never really thought about that outro. Totally OTM though.
-- Mr. Diamond, November 4th, 2003
I really like how Steve Perry sings "In the heat with a blue jean girl/Burning love comes once in a lifetime" in "Stone In Love".
-- sundar subramanian, May 13th, 2003

"Stone In Love" is conspicuously absent from Journey's Greatest Hits disc.
-- rogermexico, June 3rd, 2005

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Not my favorite of theirs (which, if pressed, would invariably be "Separate Ways").

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 7 July 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

the guitar solo is dynamite.

― ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 7 July 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

haha, hell yeah! The minute I saw this thread title I thought of that classic Dave Q post. but Rogermexico already had me covered. Well done, my friend, well done. Yeah that post is great. A nice antidote to the sociological abstract reductionist bullshit vaguely related to music. Becuz of course Dave Q actually knows what he's talking about.

But yeah, "Stone in Love" rules all.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 7 July 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

It does rule! so does Don't Stop Believin', too....but Stone in Love you don't hear as much on the radio, so it's more of a treat! It's a better song too...but yeah, it reminds me of cruising the Pacific Coast Highway in a covertable! And I've never been on the Pacific Coast Highway or driven a convertable!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 July 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Greatest 4:25 in the History of the Bay Area is "Fortunate Son" twice.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 July 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Those crasy nights... I do remember... in my youth. (I'm not singing the song, I'm just remembering the glory of hearing it performed at Bill Graham's Day on the Green, Escape Tour). Hey: *great* song! However: Sly Stone may trump w/ "Family Affair".

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Greatest 4:25 in the History of the Bay Area is "Fortunate Son" twice.

Sly Stone may trump w/ "Family Affair".

hehe - behold as the thread within the thread unfurls... I'm kinda surprised that we're 18 posts in and no one has mentioned Flipper yet.

(But "Stone In Love" really does rip though, from the WTF single-channel intro, the little whisper in your right ear that's all like, "dude, seriously, finish that line because you are about to be rocked OHNOTOOLATE I, NEIL SCHON, AM ROCKING YOU!!!" through the OMGWTF outro-from-the-planet-of-camaro-bongs. M@tt, you made my week!)

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Yay! I'm listening to this song right now!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

man, these guys were really good harmony singers...the chorus harmonies remind me of michael anthony's backup singing in VH....

....yeah roger OTM this outro is way wierder than i remember...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh heck, I'm still riding Dave Q's coattails...

...so what is 'prog' really? I have no answers here, just thinking that the coda to 'Stone in Love' is formally fuckin' amazing in ways that "Gates of Delirium" isn't...

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

your right ear

By which I mean, of course, "left ear."

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Great song.

― Mark, Sunday, 18 April 2010 04:36 (fifteen years ago)

burnin' love comes once in a lifetime iirc

― mookieproof, Monday, 23 May 2011 05:37 (fourteen years ago)

^^^

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

if you don't hear the singular genius, you're not really listening amirite

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)

'good' prog = basement musicians overextending themselves, 'bad' prog = supersessioneers playing stuff for stadiums. 'bad' prog is the stuff people like and critics cannot get their heads around however 'playful' they're being. Or to put it another way, if you can't get your head around Journey's "Stone in Love" then you're still outside looking in. "Stone in Love", holy fuck! The guy plays a DIFFERENT FILL on every fuckin' bar, the ending is in like 11/8 time, there's modal inversions and stacked harmonies and it's STILL A FUCKIN' STADIUM ROCK SONG. Plus it makes me play 'air drums' uncontrollably. Anybody can appreciate Greenslade and PFM from arm's length cuz they fulfill the categorical imperative but "SIL" appeals to people who don't know why they like it as well as being the most complicated fuckin' song I've ever heard and thus is off limits to anybody still constrained by punk orthodoxy which is really utilitarianism with safety pins! To borrow a phrase from Fritz Wollner (where the fuck is he these days? Come back!), Jon Anderson = Che, Steve Perry = Castro, whoever you (want to?) 'identify' with more determines whether you actually 'get' prog or if you're just 'playing' at it! (Contrary to received opinion 'prog' is NOT about the 'playing' [instro-spaking], otherwise they'd 'jam' more)

― dave q, Monday, November 3, 2003 5:47 AM (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:12 (five years ago)

i mean Jon Anderson = Che, Steve Perry = Castro

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:12 (five years ago)

i don't know what journey's "stone in love" sounds like but i do know what tim buckley's sounds like, or at least the live '73 version. honestly i'll take "sweet surrender" or "devil eyes" any day of the week...

― revenge of the jawn (rushomancy), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 20:42 (five years ago)

foh

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 2 January 2020 00:01 (five years ago)

omgggg lmfao that analogy - great pull, mookie!

Rushomancy, for the love of pete just go listen to the fkn song or take it to the Tim Buckley thread lol

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 2 January 2020 05:21 (five years ago)

also whatever dave q was on, i’ll take two thx

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 2 January 2020 05:22 (five years ago)

I thought this thread was about the Stylistics tbh.

― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 January 2020 07:29 (five years ago)