Fairuz.. The real thing?

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After at least a dozen Fairuz purchases I'm not hitting it. Someone convince me not to pass on this artist. Show me the light, the true Fairuz voice. Her best work, where is it?

Vg

VG (1411), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

Fairuz - search/destroy

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

If I were to pick one, I'd go with the twofer: Safarbarlek/Bint El-Harass.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Thanks!

V (1411), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Soiree Avec Fairuz is also pretty unfuckwithable and one of her most shlock-free recordings.

Fairouz is a great singer, with a great voice, but the sensibility behind a lot of the work she has recorded can be a bit too shlocky for me. Also, I really think the full recordings of the musicals, with all the theatrical goings on, are best left to an Arab-speaking audience. I do love some of her work a lot though.

x-post. You're welcome. What have you heard so far?

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Will check it out. I've been quite unhappy with the formal "lite classical" I end up with.

V

Vg (1411), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

i like that aspect of it

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I adore her voice and I really wanted to like the Operatic material thinking it would work in her best interest.... "Jibal As-Sawan" for example, has never been played again.

"Poeme D'amore" had some fine moments. The "this has GOT to be the one" high hopes I had for "Bi Layl We chiti" faded 5 minutes into it. Not surprisingly I do think the cheese factor works well with the "Good Friday/Eastern Sacred" songs release. Is she Coptic Christian?

Vg

Vg (1411), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

I assumed she was Maronite.

I think "light classical" is pretty unavoidable in this case, and in the case of most popular Arabic music before the 80s. (After that, you get a lot of programmed beats that get pretty tedious to my ears, in this case.)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Lazy internet fact checking suggests she is in fact a Maronite. (I thought the Copts were mostly limited to Egypt, though I imagine many of them have gotten out of there over the years, since they haven't been treated very well overall.)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

If you think of her as a sort of pop star, it all falls into place better. Someone I used to work with was very disappointed when Fairouz turned out not to be some sort of pure representative of Arabic classical music. Despite being trainde in that classical tradition and having an exceptional voice, that's really not what she's about. The films and the musicals are very crucial to her reputation in Lebanon and elsewhere in the Arab world. But it's not just the masses that are her fans; the very ethnomusicologist and classically trained musician A.J. Racy also expresses enthusiasm for her work (though he may have reservations about some of it, for all I know). Sorry if I am going too heavily into lecture mode.

If you are looking for something more purely traditional, you might want to try the Syrian reportoire that Sabah Fakhry and Shadi Jamil perform.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

I guess its when vocalist and/or orchestra slip into European modality which brings to mind the "light classical" buzz kill. Some of the male backup singers seem to me dubious to say the least. Indeed, these same cheeseball male background vocals almost crucify the "Good Friday/Eastern Sacred Songs" release itself, which is one recording where you CAN actually hear what she can do with her voice. What to do?

By the way, anyone heard Asalah's "A Night At The Opera" release? I think this is one of the best Arabic releases by a popular singer in a long time.

Vg

Vg (1411), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

I think those male backing vocals are actually really really Lebanese though. At the very least, they aren't western.

I haven't even heard of Aslah, but will investigate.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Asalah Nasri is a popular star with some controversy surrounding her.

I wonder about her "A Night At The Opera" release because when I first heard it I thought "this is the BEST simulation of classic Arabic singing & Orch. ever! Who is this artist?

Then I find this on Albawaba.com which is very curious. I don't know if this is refering to the ANATO release, but anywho...

"Prominent Syrian singer Asalah Nasri is accused of copying singers from the gulf and trying to take their fans by singing in the Khaliji accent. Asalah revealed that she sings khaliji songs because the words express the sorrow she feels deep in her heart and that’s why she is fascinated with the gulf poets like Haza' Bin sultan, Prince Bader Bin Abdulmuhsen, and many others...."

I guess if you long for a young singer singing in the "old style" her ANAT0 cd will be a nice surprise no matter what.

Vg

Vg (1411), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

that sounds interesting, thanks!!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

That sounds like something I would like. There's a collection of pop, but still traditionally rooted Khaliji stuff here: http://www.maqam.com/cgi-bin/cdtest.cgi?keywords=dandna

For those who don't know, traditional Syrian music doesn't sound too much like the Khaliji style that exists in the Gulf states.

A lot of the new pop/ular music from the Gulf seems to be (inevitably) imitating Egyptian new sound, so I guess it's good that a Syrian is working in the traditional Khaliji style. (I actually know a lot less about Khaliji music than I would like, and am not even sure of its exact genre boundaries, if they are exact.)

On a related note, this The Sawt in Kuwait, is nice: http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=2S00GHZBWd&EAN=794881742523&ITM=1

The vocals seem more folkloric than classically oriented though, at least to my ears.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

ASALA - A Night At The Opera CD
1. Ba'eed Annak [10.00] 2. Daret El Ayam [14.59] 3. Kulli Dah Kan Leh [19.15] 4. Khalleek Hena [5.44]

I remember looking at this. Ironically, the first two songs (and the last two as well for all I know) were originally done by Oum Kalthoum. So this is a Syrian singing Egyptian songs in a Khaliji style, or at least accent? Somewhat curious.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

It looks like the late ultra-Reformed theologian Francis Schaefer is conducting her.

http://www.maqam.com/cgi-bin/cdtest.cgi?category1=Asala

Compare:

http://www.queenofpeace.ca/_derived/Oscar.htm_txt_Francis_Schaefer.gif

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

VG, what was your former ILX name, if I may ask (or don't you have one)?

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Asalah is the daughter of late Moustapha Nasri. She has 2 sisters and 2 brothers: Amani, Ayham, Reem and Anas. is married to Ayman Zahabi and has one daughter called Sham, and one boy called Khalid. Asalah was not a good student at all! She didn’t get expelled just because she was very polite and quite, and teachers loved her, but now she regrets it!

Asalah loves Fairuz, and the first time she met her she was only 12 years old, at the house of the famous actor Doried Lahham. Her father didn’t allow her to sing romantic songs when she was a child, unless he was with her. Her daughter, Sham, was named after Damascus -Sham in Arabic- as a proof of her love to her city.

Asalah doesn’t like to see a couple in love fighting. If it happens and she sees one, she has to reconcile them immediately even if she doesn’t know them. And this sometimes puts her in trouble!

Her father discovered her talent when she was eight years old. He was a famous singer, so she started to perform his songs. Soon after, she started to participate at children’s festivals with her own songs. She liked to sing for Om Kulthom too. Asalah learned to be responsible very early, after her father’s death, an accident that affected her a lot. She took care of her family, and played the role of a mother for her brothers, especially the youngest one. Asalah says her strength is concentrated in her voice. She doesn’t like taking decisions. She is a very nervous person, and she is very hard on herself. She is shy, introvert and lives a very quite life, in which she is more a mother than a singer. Asalah sings for the oriental woman, about her feelings and her problems. Sweetness, simplicity, and modesty, this is Asalah.

Sometimes, Asalah feels Sham is her mother.” She is very sweet and affectionate”. Motherhood is the peak of love, and when I take my children into my arms, I feel I am embracing the whole world with all its beauty. (Source: Satellite Guide).

On January 29th Asalah participated with Arab-Americans at a festival in Washington, called “Ana Al Arabi”. She was very pleased with it and with the idea (Source: Asalah). In February 1st. Asalah was in Paris preparing for her new album (Source: Asalah).

Diet: She is careful most of the time about what she eats, but she doesn’t like sweets, which helps her to stay in shape.

Fashion: Asalah admits she had a problem with fashion. She used to see beautiful things, but didn’t know what suits her best. The problem has now been solved. And this explains her new image. Asalah dresses depending on her mood. She could be very elegant, or very causal, with t-shirt and jeans. In all cases, she always chooses simple outfits that suit her body.

Make up & Hair: Asalah loves make-up, but doesn’t follow new trends. However, she liked a lot this season’s colors because she was fed up with Grey and other classical colors. Asalah has two make-up artists: Mohammad Abdel Hameed and Nizham. She doesn’t have a specific hairdresser.


bio by : mostgreat_asalahnasri

--http://www.3arabiaphoto.com/singers/asalah.html

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Mayada Al Hinawi and Asalah Nasri finally make up

Posted: 17-11-2004 , 02:00 GMT


The ongoing disputes that have lasted for years between prominent Syrian singers Mayada Al Hinawi and Asalah Nasri have finally ended with the two making up and overlooking their differences. Peace was made between the singers on the popular program Maestro, which is presented by Lebanese announcer Nishian, and it was asserted that this time the make up was real.

According to the daily Al Rai Al Aam, Nishian had at first hosted Mayada for one of the episodes and she had refused to make peace with Asalah stressing that she had been emotionally hurt by the latter and will not forgive her. On a different episode, Asalah was guest and Nishian was able to convince her to make a direct call to Mayada and apologize publicly for everything that she has done and so peace was made between the two.

Recently, Mayada Al Hinawi described her rivalry as being extremely jealous of her to the point of complication. Mayada stressed that Asalah’s jealousy is similar to that some women have towards each other over things they wished they have but do not. Mayada’s comments came in reply to statements made by Asalah on a TV program saying that she advises Mayada to resign because she is outdated.

The two singers have been in a verbal war since January, when a heated dispute erupted after Asalah publicly described Mayada as an old woman last year won a live TV interview, and said that Mayada has reached such an old age and was outdated.

Mayada became furious and attacked Asalah saying she has no respect for anyone and in turn does not deserve to be respected. Asalah tried to explain to Mayada that she did not mean what she said in the manner it was interpreted, but Mayada refused to accept any excuse from her. Mayadah also refused to accept Asalah’s apology saying that she does not deserve to be forgiven after her rude comments. –Albawaba.com

http://www.albawaba.com/en/entertainment,panorama/177830

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

http://www.syrialive.net/images/Entertainment/mayada_asala.jpg

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

(I have caffeine/decongestant overload.)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

asala has really big hair

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

VG, what was your former ILX name, if I may ask (or don't you have one)?

I don't remember having one.

Asala has really big hair

But Warda has even bigger hair.

Al_Sucar,

Thats amazing about her covering Om on that release. I had no idea. But I'm not surprised as it's quite good. Indeed a curious release worth checking out.

I guess I'm wondering if Asala in pure classical form is nothing more than a very well studied imitation, which I guess is not such a bad thing. I hope it's more than that. But she does deliver the goods. Her voice is very convincing.
Alas, I have no way of grasping the Khaliji accent at this point.

Oh the diva drama!

VG

Vg (1411), Sunday, 10 July 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

Alas, I have no way of grasping the Khaliji accent at this point.

Neither do I.

Those Oum Kalthoum songs she covers are very frequently covered by other singers, actually. Mahmoud Fadl did an album of Oum Kalthoum covers (with a Sudanese singer) and it has those two songs. The Syrian pop star George Wassouf has also recorded them (though he's not a classically trained singer).

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

If you listen, especially to the third sample, for the first Asala album here, it definitely has Khaliji rhythms (and the overall orchestration reminds me of Khaliji music). It doesn't sound Syrian.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.maqam.com/cgi-bin/cdtest.cgi?category1=Asala

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

How about this Fairouz song, "Itab," which is pretty classical sounding:

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0NV0K13LBPD212GD8IJASZ6BC8

(I hope that's the right link. If it's a man singing, it's not.)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

The first record I bought by Fairuz was called "Lebanon Forever". I like it, and recommend it to others, even if it was a slghtly random purchase. It features Fairuz's voice used to good effect over Arabic orchestral backing.

Since then I have bought two other Fairuz CDs. One of them was in the Arabian Masters series, and it was the suck, but it did teach me something valuable - shun all Fairuz albums primarily written by her idiot son Ziad Rahbani, unless you like softy jazz. Instead, focus on Fairuz records where teh arrangements and compositions are by the Rahbani Brothers (Mr Fairuz and Mr Fairuz's brother).

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

The "this has GOT to be the one" high hopes I had for "Bi Layl We chiti" faded 5 minutes into it.

Why didn't you like this one? I don't like it that much myself, but to the extent that I dislike it, I don't dislike it for the same reason I dislike her really shlocky stuff. I think this is actually some of the more traditional (=classical?) work I've heard by her. There's just something about lifeless about it, for some reason, but when I focus in on, say, the oud playing, or the doumbek, it all sounds good. Even the violins don't strike me as particularly annoying. But I definitely don't see how it's any more "light classical" than 99% of her work, or late Oum Kalthoum, for that matter.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 July 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

I bought Ya Rayeh (more Philemon Wehbe compositions, like Bi Layl We Chiti. I think I like this a little better. Surprised by how obvious it is, at least in a couple cases, that this is the same composers. I'm sure I could have guessed without already knowing. The ensemble seems larger and the songs themselves somehow seem more sprawling, in a good way, than the ones on Bi Layl We Chiti. I'm not sure I'd go as far as to recommend it, but it's not something I'd say to avoid either. I like it more than maybe a dozen other Fairouz CDs I've heard. It does tend to make me wonder how much more material there is that I'm really going to like.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

I think Oum Kalthoum is vastly more interesting.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 14 July 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)


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