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Been listening to nothing but Coughs, Submission Hold and Against Me! all week. Think I'll dig up those old Los Crudos and Coleman records when I get home. Holy shit guys, maybe it's a guilty pleasure and all that, but Against Me! are really good, especially for those of us who are all Op Ivy-nostalgic, like most of my band is. One member is all skeptical, all "they're a pop punk band now, you guys are lame" but i dunno. What's the bad stuff?

― Rog On Tour, at a hotel with wireless access, at last, Sunday, 10 July 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

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― Stoney Individual, Sunday, 10 July 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

Whoever invented folk punk in the vein of Against Me! should be shot. They're close to being everything I hate about punk rock.

― tonyD (noiseyrock), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

sorry, but you're not exactly making a good case for yourself...

― scout (scout), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

I hate Against ME

― no tech! (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

It's Still Punk Rock And Roll To Me

― k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)

Repeat after me: I am punk rock, therefore I am.

― Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

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You're perfectly normal if you find rebellious lyrics and fast music attractive when you are younger. It's the perfect expression of what you are biologically supposed to be. After a certain age, though, it's just pathetic. And I should know because I'm old and angry.

― Andy Rooney ;-), Sunday, 10 July 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

By the way, which one's punk?

― k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 10 July 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

Being an older punk isn't pathetic, but asking the internet whether you're punk and not really still connecting with the music means you're probably not.

― scout (scout), Sunday, 10 July 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Being a Punk means never having to worry about whether or not you're being a Punk.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

My Dad likes the Fall. He's 50.

Are the Fall punk or is 50 not old?

― nicholas de jong (nicholas de jong), Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

wireless hotel punk's not dead!!!!!!
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― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

Fatty on the left is going to eat the guy next to him!

― no tech! (ex machina), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

The guy in The Fall cannot sing!

(Is this better, my friend?)

― Esteban Buttez!!!!!, Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

I'd accept "doesn't"

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

He just shouts-ah!

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

rog on tour, what is your band called?

― punq, Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

roger if you are at the nottingham monday night, check out the view out back of lake mendota. nice!

― bucky, Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

punk was a DOA-scene.
if ever there was a dead-end genre, punk's it.

the attitude is right, the stance all wrong.

punk's been long time dead, yo.

― eedd, Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Being an older punk isn't pathetic

Yes it is.

but asking the internet whether you're punk and not really still connecting with the music means you're probably not.

Punk is such a fucking stupid thing. Does anybody ever sit around and wonder if they're still disco? This is why being an older punk is pathetic, because you are are not other bands' music and you are not your own bands' music and if you haven't grown out of punk thinking eventually, then you are pathetic.

― Uh..., Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

ilx is in one of its "completely unreadable" phases again, isn't it?

― strng hlkngtn, Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Still Punk here. And, y'know, I just don't get tired of being sneered at by people who put their faith in Kylie.

― Soukesian, Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

ilx is in one of its "completely unreadable" phases again, isn't it?

I'm back, baby!

― yeah, but it's always been that way to me..., Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

xpost : time to grow up!

― Kylie? Who's Kylie?, Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

"xpost : time to grow up!"

I suspect you'd be even more horrified than I am about how grown up I've become. But, nevertheless, still Punk. Fuck you very much.

― Soukesian, Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

I like The Coughs, although their CD sounds like shit (the one I have, anyway).

― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

To Punk Or Not To Punk...

Steve Jones explained it well on Rollin's Film Corner show last week on Punk Week. (A terrible show, by the way).

He said, when asked about punk music's longevity (paraphrasing):

"Oh yeah, there will always be punk music. At least I hope so. As long as there are kids, there will always be punk because something happens as you come of age where you realize life isn't fair and you're not happy about it. And punk music fills that niche."

So ask yourself, then, if you are a perpetual teenager, a kidult, a twixter, a fair-to-middling-ager, etc. or if you want to grow old with some fuckin' dignity and develop a personality all your own that is not defined by a dead tired four-letter classification.

― To Punk Or Not To Punk, Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

xpost: Doesn't sound very grown up to me!

― Kylie? Who's Kylie?, Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Just walked by the Continental on St.Mark's Place, where the Addicts are playing tonight. Punk Rock may be long dead, but nobody told that mass of kids lined up waiting to get in (their mohawks wilting in the summer afternoon heat).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Punk Rock may be long dead, but nobody told that mass of kids lined up waiting to get in (their mohawks wilting in the summer afternoon heat).

Key word being "kids." See Steve Jones' quote above.

I came of age 10 years after Sid Vicious died and somehow, I found out about the Sex Pistols and invented a larger than life fantasy about how cool punk rock was... way out in the middle of Bumfuck, USA with a swamp across the street and a cow pasture down the road. If the Adicts were playing anywhere nearby, I would have done more than wait in line in the afternoon heat to see them because that's what kids do!

― 2P / N2P, Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

"I came of age 10 years after Sid Vicious died . ."

I think you may have just invalidated your own 'grown-up' card there, at least as far of a lot of other ILM players are concerned.

We need a thread on "grown-up music for grown-up people"

― Soukesian, Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

old != grown up, as you should very well know, Mr. Punk.

Also, I'm not exactly sure on when Sid Vicious died or when "coming of age" really occurs, so I just was making the point that I entered high school in the mid-80s... and I am under the impression Sid died in the 70s?

My age = 32, if you're interested.

― 2P / N2P, Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Sid Vicious died in 1979.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

Grown-up music and grown-up politics? School us old Punks, then.

― Soukesian, Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

validity of one's "punk-ness" is always in question, it might as well be some unattainable platonic ideal, with the mohawk dividing the left and right sides of the brain so that the eye can't quite figure out what anti-authoritative gesture the hand is making. the middle class wants to be working-class, but the working-class wants to be upper class. no amount of barre chords will change this.

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

There'll come a time when you no longer care whether or not you're "punk" or not (and chances are very great that you never really were to begin with....especially if Operation Ivy is your idea of Punk). It is at this precise point that you will probably be at your punkest (i.e. the zenith of punkitude).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

but if a fratboy doesn't care whether he's punk or not, is he already at the zenith? the fashion and music are missing. that is where punk emanates and has always emanated, torn clothes and barre chords. and don't tell me punks invented d.i.y. that is the biggest music critic lie.

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

congratulations!!! everyone on this thread wins a free lifetime subscription to Alternative Press!!! Just write your name, address, and phone number on a 3x5 card and mail it to someone who gives a shit about whether they're punk or not.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

You're a Good Charlotte fan. Thus, you have no credibility.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

You're a Killing Joke fan who watches VH1 all day. You're a fruitcake!

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

don't you mean Maximum Rock'n'Roll? Fugazi is too punk for Alternative Press, they're 98.6 on the punk thermometer!

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Fugazi ain't punk, they're a jam band!

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

They don't even use set lists, they just improvise on grooves.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

mail it to someone who gives a shit about whether they're punk or not.
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 11th, 2005 8:03 PM.
Fugazi ain't punk, they're a jam band!

-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 11th, 2005 8:08 PM.

i got a pen, if you're ready to give me your address

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

You're a Killing Joke fan who watches VH1 all day. You're a fruitcake!

Vh1 CLASSIC, man. MAKE THE DISTINCTION!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't give a shit about whether I'M punk or not, dude!

x-post STOP LIVING IN THE PAST

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

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― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

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― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

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― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

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― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

You're a Good Charlotte fan. Thus, you have no credibility.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), July 11th, 2005 8:04 PM.

who is? miccio?

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

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― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Coincidentally Miccio was listening to Good Charlotte on the way to work! Got himself a CD-R with his fave tracks from The Chronicles Of Life & Death and A Ghost Is Born on it.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

Ick. You sicken me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 July 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

THE FUTURE. SICKENING BUT UNAVOIDABLE AND CUTE.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 July 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

"How can you talk about the world from a position of a punk? Everybody thinks you're a fucking idiot, and they're probably right"

― Sasha (sgh), Monday, 11 July 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

FOUR STARS FOR YOUR THREAD.

― I AM THE GAVEL., Monday, 11 July 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

"Being a Punk means never having to worry about whether or not you're being a Punk."

"I suspect you'd be even more horrified than I am about how grown up I've become. But, nevertheless, still Punk. Fuck you very much."

OTM OTM

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 11 July 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

OTM OTM

If the O in OTM means "off", then Stewart you are correct. Punk was about going against the grain and pissing off the squares, intentionally shocking normal people, who were seen as idiots. Over time it evolved into some sort of generic, rebellious attitude that may involve nothing more than blue jeans, t-shirts and converse sneakers... or not, may involve literature, politics and art... or not, but most of all centers around the "fuck you, don't tell me what to do" attitude. Either way, a grown-up is not a punk. A punk by definition is a little shit. For some reason, people think it's so cool to identify with punk because they feel like they're flouting convention and standing up to authority... as they wear appropriate attire, pay taxes, vote, respect the police, their neighbors, their parents and extended family, and generally fit in with society by all outward appearances. Oh, but, man, on the inside they're punk. They may not every challenge authority or attend any public demonstrations because that's too "hippy" or too political for a punk, but they sure can act snotty and elitist and mouth off on a message board about music, so they're punk as fuck! Yah, like totally, dude. Fuck you! Punk is so fucking over, just like the hippies are over and disco is over. Get a new word already. How about Brat? or Twit?

― Ozzy Osbourne, Stewart's superior, Monday, 11 July 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

By the way, I'm so much punker than you all!

― Same Dude Being An Asshole Throughout This Whole Thread, Monday, 11 July 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

So Non-Punk It's UberPunk

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

"Punk is so fucking over, just like the hippies are over and disco is over. Get a new word already."

Also, curiously, OTM (indeed I have said the same thing myself on many occasions, so it must be right).

That's O as in "On", in all cases.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Which was a copycat of this, more successful thread, in which Stewart in the Damned make an appearance:
What is the most non-punk rock thing you can think of?
(xpost)

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

Whoa. Stewart AND the Damned

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

Shame - I rushed to that thread eagerly anticipating that I'd finaly been officially invited to join messrs Vanian and Sensible on stage, only to have my hopes cruelly dashed.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

I used to think I was punk, but then I realized I was just another upper middle class white kid from the suburbs. I'm ok with that, as long as I can still listen to the Electric Eels.

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

you can, but you can NOT identify w/ it.

realise the nostalgia, hang up the Docs/pins/(insert genero punk accessory here), and listen with out fear of decreasing yr 'punktitude'.

btw- i recently engaged this very same arguement in a random bar w/ a random person whom vehemently said punk was very much still alive.

i laughed. he didn't.
unsane are NOT punk. i guess they could be if you don't know what punk used to be...

― eedd, Monday, 11 July 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Stewart, there was no reason to be snide.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Eddie Snide? Wasn't that yr stage name Stew?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

I think he might want that g00gleproofed, Doc.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

"I used to think I was punk, but then I realized I was just another upper middle class white kid from the suburbs."

JUST like every "punker" ever!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

you can, but you can NOT identify w/ it.

b-but i AM so agitated!

This thread would be better if it were "I am still goth rock, I think."

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

I have never been punk and I kind of don't see why people are so desperate to be punk outside of "if I am punk, I will have no responsibilities and really slutty, indiscriminate people will fuck me" rationales.

Yes, I am bringing a big pile of Samsonite to the table.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I own a Supertramp album, so obviously I'm not a punk....but I'm put off by folks who EARNESTLY CLAIM to be Punk, yet clearly know next to nothing about it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 July 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

"Stewart, there was no reason to be snide."

Merely my attempt at humour Ken, no intention to offend.

When there is an intention to offend I don't bother with subtleties as a rule....

"Eddie Snide? Wasn't that yr stage name Stew?"

It was pretty my everything name between 1977 and 1984 Doc.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 11 July 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

"I kind of don't see why people are so desperate to be punk outside of "if I am punk, I will have no responsibilities and really slutty, indiscriminate people will fuck me" rationales."

Sounds good to me.... surely you're not trying to suggest that there may be better rationales for doing or being anything?!?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 11 July 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Haha Stewart, I wasn't offended, I was just trying to make a reference to your alter ego, which Dr. C picked up on.
(xpost)

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

The thing is that most of the people who self-identify as "punk" in the manner I've described seem to be embarrassed that their identity is tied into a wholly venal, self-serving rationale that's virtually indistinguishable from the rock-and-roll establishment with which it's supposed in opposition.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I tend to think that problem really started when this young man started to become fetishised and (entirely wrongly imo) identified as somehow being the living embodiment of everything "punk":

http://www.unearthlypossessions.com/images/toys_images/medicom/sid_vicious.jpg

He was "Too Fast To Live", apparently.

He was quite clearly far too fuckin' stupid to do so anyway.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

punk stopped being punk the moment the first punk song was written, maaaaan!

celine dion, the lucky charms leprechaun, val kilmer, and dave coulier are the only true old-school punks left.

― latebloomer: the Clonus Horror (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:07 (twenty years ago)

i am punk

― nicholas de jong (nicholas de jong), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

In a sane universe, 'Punk' would only be used as a verb. Not as a noun or adjective.
You can Punk something up, but no-one can BE punk.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Stewart OTM about Sid.

I remember Sid being regarded, when alive, as nothing but a comical oaf and an anti-celebrity who could be guaranteed to fuck up. (And we were still schoolkids, fer fuck's sake!)

― Soukesian, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

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