What's so great about Todd Rundgren?

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Paul Lester out of Uncut, right? All he ever does is blether and dribble on about how Todd is God. He comes on TV at 3:45 am or GLR or wherever and it's Todd this Todd that. Then he plays track from criminally overlooked/unreleased masterpiece from Utopia circa '75 and it just sounds like the bleeding Mahavishnu Orchestra DIDDLY-DOODLE-WAH-WHAM-SQUAT or else unjustly omitted from the ROCK canon masterpiece ballad from obscure '68 pre-debut debut album released in limited editions of 2 and it just sounds like Hall & Oates B-side.

And once robbers broke into his home and tied him up. While bagging their loot they were singing "I Saw The Light" all the way through.

Beck is his fault, it must be.

WOZZO BLEEDIN GRATE ABAHT IM THEN EH?

Terry Shannon, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and didn't Roy Wood do this sort of stuff better anyway?

Terry Shannon, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

YOU NASTY NAZI FASCIST HOW DARE YOU DEMEAN THE NAME OF SAINT LORD GOD TODD? HE WAS POSTMODERN BEFORE MODERN WAS POSTED! HE WEAVED EXQUISITE STUDIO ALCHEMY! "A WIZARD/A TRUE STAR" REWROTE THE BOOKS OF WHAT WAS POSSIBLE IN POPULAR MUSIC! "SOMETHING/ANYTHING" IS AN AVANT-POP CONFECTION OF WHICH O'ROURKE AND CORNELIUS WOULD BE ENVIOUS! "TODD" THE ALBUM HASN'T EVEN BEEN UNDERSTOOD YET! AND WHERE, I ASK YOU, WOULD BRITPOP HAVE BEEN WITHOUT HIS LANDMARK "FAITHFUL" COVER VERSIONS ALBUM?

TODD IS KING - PRINCE ONLY A PRINCE NEXT TO HIM!

AND HE DID THE FIRST INTERACTIVE CD!

AND HE'S STILL POST-POSTMODERN - HIS STUFF SOUNDS AS THOUGH IT HAD BEEN RECORDED LAST WEEK!!!!!!!

I told this to the girl I fancied on the school bus in '79 but she gave me the wide body swerve. Probably liked Racey. Pleb.

Lol Pester, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I've seen this Rundgren/Wood comparison before, can't put my finger on it...

dave q, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Funnily enough I've been listening to some Roy Wood recently (Move, early ELO, Wizzard) and he's gone up in my estimation. Haven't heard enough Todd to comment, but have *nearly* bought albums of his several times.

I reckon Norman Phay will have summat to say, espec. about Utopia.

Dr. C, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He produced XTC's Skylarking. That's why.

MarkH, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah yes, Mark, thank you for reminding me, I'd completely forgotten that.

Robin C and I definitely agree on the genius of "Skylarking."

Terry Shannon, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

HARVEY WILLIAMS TO THREAD.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And Robin C and I definitely DON'T agree on what Skylarking is *about*. He sez 'urban ruralist manifesto' or summat, and I say nowt much ;)

Dr. C, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bringing post-modernism to pop is not something to be proud of.

The most frustrating thing about Todd (in my opinion) is that he constantly derides what I think is his greatest talent, ie his innate ability to throw off intelligent emotional melodious pop as if it were the easiest thing in the world. Yet he bangs on about Powerbooks & iMacs & CDroms & er...concepts. Lester is right: Todd is great great great, but if you've only heard his Mahavishnu-Ork-styled recordings, I can imagine why you might not agree. Have a listen to Runt, The Ballad Of TR, Something Anything, A Wizard A True Star, Hermit Of Mink Hollow, A Cappella, Nearly Human, With A Twist. Or get "Go Ahead, Ignore Me", a double CD comp of his best music, compiled by Paul Le...oh, you guessed.

harvey williams, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But Roy Wood is a genius too!!!

harvey williams, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Having a few of Todds albums from the early to mid 70s I was really surprised with the song selection on Go Ahead, Ignore Me. Listening to it you would think that all he did was middle of the road ballads. His albums are all over the place however.

A Wizard, A True Star is kerazzy. Even if everything he did was rubbish he would be excused for Open My Eyes by Nazz.

Roy Wood is fantastic and a lot odder than you would expect from Blackberry Way and that Christmas thing. Boulders and Mustard are excellent but mental, the first ELO album is mental and indeed Wizzard Brew is mental and shrouded in noise and static, it would seem deliberately. He's also one of these obsessive one man bands who plays all the instruments (guitar, bass, drums, violin, brass, bagpipes! etc)as well as writing and producing.

In fact the Move albums after the first one are fairly odd too and not at all what you would expect from the singles.

As an aside I seem to be attracted to these one man band guys eg Roy Wood, Paul McCartney, Emitt Rhodes, Prince, Jason Falkner who are able to write, arrange, produce and play their whole album. Hell, Roy Wood even painted the cover art.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

mms, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And Utopia did a cover of the ELO's "Do Ya?" - (The liner notes say that the Move covered a Todd song once - can't rememeber which one.)

Dave225, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All this talk about Skylarking and not one mention of his production on the first album by the New York Dolls, HELLO? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I only have something/anything, and it's pretty good. To me most of his stuff, utopia, etc. has always seemed a bit nerdy/dorky ala the tubes, ELO, even XTC maybe, etc. I just don't really get it for the most part.

g, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As much as I like the tune, I have to confess that until about a year ago, I thought that "Hello, It's Me" was Carol King. Sometimes I still think it's her.

Andy, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And Utopia did a cover of the ELO's "Do Ya?" - (The liner notes say that the Move covered a Todd song once - can't rememeber which one.)

I think "Open My Eyes" was the song. This may have been the first mention of the Move that made me want to investigate them because it's such a great song. In general I like most of TR through the "Todd" album, and very little thereafter.

nickn, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Open My Eyes" was the Nazz, right?

Andy, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, Nazz, but Nazz = TR. (Although the other 2 guys might argue with that.)

nickn, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

>I thought that "Hello, It's Me" was Carol King. Sometimes I still think it's her

Biggest compliment you can pay anyone, surely?

harvey williams, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That was a *loooooong* time ago, Dr C :).

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You get lonely often, Robin, oh, I mean Terry?

dead meadow, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Look I STARTED this fucking thread and I'm saying that I MADE A MISTAKE. RIGHT???? thiz + "T3RRy SH4|\||\|0|\|" on another thread. Another thread not started by robin c, right, clouseau? Work it out yerself, as if the k-rad posting style up top weren't a giveaway.

Anyway, Todd Rundgren. The good doktor = correckt, esp about utopia. Terry Sh U should not allow that silly old fart PauL LeSTeR from uCuNT colour yer opinions of TR 'cuz he (todd) fuxing rules u see... he has a face like a horse, and (allegedly) an enormous swinging 3rd arm. On the cover of "Todd" he sports k-kewl dyed blue and pink hair. I wish I possesed all these attributes. As for Utopia, WTF do u need to know? They has 4-part vocal harmonies that sounded like angels on helium. One of their songs was about RA the SUN GOD. Another was about the god ov some hippie community being trapped by EV0L FUX0RZ inside a glass electric guitar. it r0x0xr3d, and had great tunes to boot. When they toured for this, they had the sphynxes face at the back of the stage, a wire frame pyramid that todd used to climb to play guitar solos, and fountains of water which squirted high in the air during the drum solo. Also they had roger powell, who was a fuxing great synthi wizard type. WTF more do U want from a rock band, eh!!?? Not only this, but he produced "Remote Control" by the Tubes, which sounds just like Utopia. Todd = Godd as far as I'm concerned.

Roy Wood was fuxing ace as well. "Shazam" by the move = r0x0r, fux0rz!!

Norman Phay, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How about a new thread: "What's So Great About Smacking Paul Brownell's Fucking Mouth Every Time He Opens It?"

Any volunteers? Warning PB: you're using up your leeway with me big time.

Marcello Carlin, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...
REVIVE

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

nu ilx = nobody gives a shit?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:53 (eighteen years ago)

what more is there to say?

jaxon, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:55 (eighteen years ago)

this thread was way too british for me to move past the second post

jaxon, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:56 (eighteen years ago)

what i want to know about this guy is how in the space of twenty minutes he can go from some of the best music ever written ("i think you know" / "the spark of life") to unbelievably tedious and twee and unlistenable crap ("an elpee worth of tunes" / "lord chancellor's nightmare") and back to godhead psychedelic pop ("the last ride") ...

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:56 (eighteen years ago)

also how come i listened to elephant 6 bands for years and never heard them compared to rundgren? always the beach boys + beatles ... but big stretches of "todd" sound very elephant 6 ...

ween must be big fans too, right?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

he just needed editing. how many 89minute hip hop albums do you love all the way through?

jaxon, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 06:19 (eighteen years ago)

i actually think i got into todd when i was really into e6. was living in chicago around 2000. i bet some of the records i bought from reckless records say "for fans of e6" on them. The Music Tapes def sounds like him

jaxon, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

upthread pash is totally right-on about Utopia's RA, that's where all Todd's disparate talents come together: rock, concept-prog, romantic pop. well no philly soul I guess but you can't have everything.

m coleman, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:21 (eighteen years ago)

the fact that Todd could go from genius to crap and back again in the space of a single song is part of what made/makes him great...think about the people you have been most infatuated with in your past...chances are, they drove you insane and made you happy in equal measures...you never could figure them out...and isn't that what made them so essential...

henry s, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

Let's just take a moment to wonder what a nazz is.

BLASTOCYST, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

And whether its ass can really be said to be "God given."

nickn, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

"The Nazz" was an old comedy routine by Lord Buckley. I think that's where it comes from.

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

What's so great about Todd Rundgren?

there's much more, but "It Wouldn't have made any Difference" and "Onomatapeia" would be enough for me. one of the most gorgeous ballads ever, and one of the funnest studio gimmick songs, respectively

outdoor_miner, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

*goes n'takes Nazz Nazz offa shelf*

t**t, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

Mm, avn't listened to this on in a long while... Midway through, sounds "fine" so far. But not much more.

t**t, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

The Nazz = The Nazarene (Christ)
not that you can tell from below gatefold, but TR had a pretty amazing, womanly ass:
http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/R/Rundgren/rundgren_wizard_in.jpg
but I also have wondered what the big deal was about that guy

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

Speed is a hell of a drug...

dan selzer, Thursday, 12 April 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

that mock beatles album is not going on th turntable tonight

danbunny, Thursday, 12 April 2007 01:46 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

DISCO JETS

mother of god, where has this "lost album" been all my life??

todd goes haywire synthtastic disco beck/hammer prog!!

i'm still kind of floored that this even exists...

winston, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 04:04 (seventeen years ago)

He wrote "Hello, It's Me" and "Open My Eyes". That's what's so great about him.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 17:37 (seventeen years ago)

Where can you get that disco jets album from...?

sonnyboy, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 18:11 (seventeen years ago)

don't bother,doesnt worth it

Zeno, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 18:21 (seventeen years ago)

never really understood the love for this dude.

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 18:23 (seventeen years ago)

I listened to the second disc of Something/Anything today on a work road trip and I remembered exactly why Todd meant something to me for so many years.

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 19:52 (seventeen years ago)

sympathy for being cuckolded by Steven Tyler...?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 19:56 (seventeen years ago)

YES THAT'S IT EXACTLY THANK YOU SHAKEY MO COLLIER

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 20:00 (seventeen years ago)

I do like Open My Eyes and Skylarking and Hafnelson so he's not all bad

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 20:02 (seventeen years ago)

Todd is God

henry s, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 20:06 (seventeen years ago)

Todd Rundgren has written some good songs all the time. Particularly in the late 60s and most of the 70s. All of his albums are more or less patchy, but some of them - like "Something/Anything" still work as rather good overall. "Something/Anything" is particularly great if you disregard the side that was recorded live in the studio.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 21:27 (seventeen years ago)

he's wildly inconsistent, but side 'b' of faithful is awesome. the only other one i like a lot is something/anything?

outdoor_miner, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 22:34 (seventeen years ago)

never really understood the love for this dude.

he wrote great pop tunes if you're into that sort of thing

winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:53 (seventeen years ago)

i didn't revive this thread to hear everybody's opinion about todd again! let's talk about lost albums and shit.

winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:53 (seventeen years ago)

sonnyboy: it's on this: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/todd_rundgren/lost_demos_and_albums/

zeno, not worth it??? was it the star trek them that turned you off???

winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:56 (seventeen years ago)

i mean, i understand why he wouldn't release it (or why a label wouldn't want to) but it is really really nice (i know that sounds like faint praise but it just makes me feel nice and cozy)

winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 02:59 (seventeen years ago)

geir what about "you left me sore" for crying out loud??

winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 03:00 (seventeen years ago)

too racy for you?

winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 03:01 (seventeen years ago)

he was fucking killer when i saw him live a few months ago w/kasim and prarie prince. i was not expecting much, but his voice is still very strong. and he laid off the newer stuff for the most part and played a lot of unexpected songs (drive, one world, broke down and busted...) as well as some choice classics and the obligatory "i saw the light" (which didn't sound too great, but i'm probably as tired of that song as he is)

winston, Thursday, 17 January 2008 03:04 (seventeen years ago)

disco jets kinds sux.

jaxon, Monday, 21 January 2008 08:44 (seventeen years ago)

kinda, mostly even

jaxon, Monday, 21 January 2008 08:45 (seventeen years ago)


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