what tracks wouldn't i want to leave off a no-wave compilation?

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obviously stuff on 'no new york' is already under consideration

― chris griffin (glinka), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

early Glenn Branca or Theoretical Girls... choose any really.

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Something from Sonic Youth's self titled debut EP would be nice.. "She Is Not Alone". (I recently kinda dissed that EP, but I've listened to it again since, and I appreciate it on a different level than "no wave", so YMMV in this case)

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

If we're not restricted to New York, I'd definitely check out anything from Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft's Die Kleinen und Die Bosen... both the studio first half and the live second half are essential and freaky. The first album Ein Produkt Der... is great too, but has no vocals, and it's a bit too fragmented.. whereas Die Kleinen has full screamy songs that are fun to jerk around to, synth, sampler, guitar skronks, or all of the above.

Maybe the first half of the SPK semi-comp Auto Da-Fe? "Slogun" from 1979 especially?

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and "No More Paranoias" from Devo's first album.

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry "Too Much Paranoias". oops.

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The risk would be excluding bands that fit musically, but not geographically, culturally or (strictly) chronologically: The Birthday Party, Devo, Die Electric Eels, Flipper, Kleenex and Savage Republic(from whom, I insist, most of SYs early schtick was copped).

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Red Transistor

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

But some may heavily associate No Wave with New York.. for good reason, so take my "if we're not restricted" with a grain of salt... Dan Acute or Brian FMU should chime in here. I'm not sure if New York is the main theme here or not for the comp being made.

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"not bite" by red transistor

xpost

― chris besinger (chris besinger), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

black box disco from beth & scott b's vortex

blonde red head - dna

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"My Relationship" - The Static
"3E" - Mars
"Not Bite" - Red Transistor

If I were to pick one D.N.A. song, I don't know - I might pick "Not Moving."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"you&you" by dna

tim's selects are excellent

― chris besinger (chris besinger), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

its not a new york comp, but obviously locale was crucial to the scene. it doesn't have to be strictly no-wave either, just of its ilk and era.

― le glinka (glinka), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Any of those Rosa Yemen EP tracks will do. Lizzy Mercier Descloux represent.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

definitely something from MX-80 Sound's Out Of The Tunnel

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

MX-80 is considered no wave? Did not know that. They are fantastic, in any case.

I second something off of the first Sonic Youth EP. As far as I can hear, they jumped in fully-formed (with a little help from Branca Co.).

If you don't restrict things to NY, you've got to be careful--suddenly you'll find you're making a 10-CD box set ; )

― I.M. (I.M.), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't think about (West) Germany. You'll have about 4 hours of German stuff alone from that era. Grauzone, Fehlfarben, oh man, don't get me started.

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

MX-80 is considered no wave? Did not know that. They are fantastic, in any case.

Being nitpicky, but MX-80 Sound. There is actually an artist named MX-80 that's completely different and.. well, very not no-wave. :)

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and early Chrome, 'ST 37' would be my pick

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

black box disco from beth & scott b's vortex

shhh, that's my secret weapon!

I've always thought the most no-wave sounding thing that was the furthest away from the no-wave scene is the Fire Engines, so if we're talking about a "no-wave as aesthethic/zeitgeist" rather then "no-wave as scene/movement", I vote for Get Up and Use Me.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(and I'm not talking about MX-80, the followup late 80s incarnation of same band.. there was a rapper named MX-80, unless I'm getting his name slightly off(?))

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

caucasian guilt - noh mercy

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

in addition to no new york, red transistor, theoretical girls/the static/glenn branca...

Monitor - "Beak"
Pink Section - "Shopping"
Blue Humans - a track from Live in NYC

maybe Blurt. a track by The Girls from Live at the Rathskeller. if anyone has a rip of the "Jeffrey I Hear You" 7"... i've looked for that forever.

― ryan patrick, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I have the LP comp that has the track, same version as the single, been meaning to rip it forever. Great stuff. Robin Amos also produced Bound and Gagged around the same time and was later in Cul De Sac.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

MX-80 Sound is not no wave and neither are DEVO, the Girls or Monitor.

― jack cole, soon to be replaced by an optical scanner (jackcole), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Let's Compromise" by Information

― dlp9001, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

'pini pini' by arto / netto

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

there's 1 song on the Dinosaur 24-24 Music LP...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

whats that good material track on temporary music (the one with the green cover)? the track with handclaps.

― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

MX-80 Sound is not no wave and neither are DEVO, the Girls or Monitor.

As the compiler said himself: its not a new york comp, but obviously locale was crucial to the scene. it doesn't have to be strictly no-wave either, just of its ilk and era.

If you don't think any of these bands even closely resemble the "ilk", then that's your opinion, but obviously some do. And I was initially cautious about how purist the intent was in making this comp, and chris said, above, that it didn't have to be purely "no wave", which is why I mentioned a couple of those bands you rejected.

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"US Millie" Theoretical Girls
"Lesson No 1" Glenn Branca
"Orphans" Teenage Jesus & The Jerks
"Helen Forsdale" Mars
"Contort Yourself" The Contortions
"Mission Impossible 2.0" Lizzy Mercier Descloux
"Diddy Wah Diddy" 8 Eyed Spy
"Lazy in Love" 8 Eyed Spy
"Rise & Fall of Flingel Bunt" The Raybeats
"Blonde Red Head" DNA
"The Burning Spear" Sonic Youth
"Too Many Creeps" Bush Tetras
"Button Up" The Bloods

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

If it doesn't matter if they're from late 70s NYC or not, here's five more:

Fire Engines - Get Up And Use Me
Pop Group - We Are All Prostitutes
Ut - Confidential
Scissor Girls - New Tactical Plan
Slugfuckers - Cacophony

Maybe not purist no wave but it all belongs together to me!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 14 July 2005 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you cunts fucked in the head!?

ie. Teenage Jesus & the Jerks - Red Alert {should be first track}

The Slugfuckers -{personally, I'd select} Schizo Revolution. {It's got a great Flipper-esque style sloppy bassline}

― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 14 July 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mission Impossible 2.0" Lizzy Mercier Descloux

Argh, why didn't I say that when I suggested Rosa Yemen?

― Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

MX-80 have helped sow such confusion by leaving "Sound" off of the cd reissues.

Monitor's "Beak" sounds like it could have come off of the No New York album. Much different than the Monitor LP, maybe the person who objected hadn't heard it. Also a fair amount of the LAFMS late-70s stuff would fit, see the Darker Skratcher and Emergency Light Bulb compilations. Maybe something off of the Meat Puppets "in a car" ep too.

― 666, Friday, 15 July 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

y pants!

their cover of the stones' "off the hook" would fit this comp pretty well i think

― joseph (joseph), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

CIRCLE X "PUERTO RICAN GHOST"

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

hstencil OTM! I just found that 7" the other day!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 15 July 2005 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"Funky Stuff" by Lizzy Mercier Descloux kicks the ass of most other things on the planet.

"Desire" or "In The Name Of Talent (Italian Western Two)" by Tuxedomoon.

Also, I can't believe nobody's mentioned Liquid Liquid (I can but I just feel like saying that, just to see if it proves the point that anybody who says that has ignored the three capitalised mentions of it in the first three posts).

If German stuff counts I like "Fakten Sind Terror" by Exkurs and "Schlaraffendland" by Carmen, off of that first Teutonik Disaster comp.

― Michael Philip Philip Philip Avoidant (Ferg), Friday, 15 July 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I can't believe nobody's mentioned Liquid Liquid

Same era, I guess, but I don't think their means and ends are anywhere near those of no wave. Congas, marimbas, thick bass lines, very little dissonance, etc.

― Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Friday, 15 July 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, yeah, feeling pluggy: Simon Reynolds' new book has a good chapter on No Wave... I think it's only available in the UK so far. Can anyone confirm?

here it is on Amazon.co.uk

― Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Friday, 15 July 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

where can I hear Circle X doing Puerto Rican Ghost? I have that Dexter's Cigar reissue of the first EP somewhere but that's it.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

More then just same era, Rob. For what it's worth, and this opens the usual can of worms, but despite any No New York purists, for a long, long time Liquid Liquid and ESG were considered No Wave. Then you stretch it a bit more and you're like, was Kid Creole No Wave? Then you're like, was Madonna No Wave? Where does it end? That's why I always refer to the dancey stuff as No Wave Funk. But there were tons of crossovers, Lydia Lunch's Atomic Bongos on the Queen of Siam record, the aforementioned Vortex compilation etc.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

if there's a funky side to this comp.. Konk's "Baby Dee"?

― donut ferry (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it's on a 7" only i think, dan. tho it might be their track on nyeaec. oh wait, i remember, it's not, i was just looking at that the other day.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I have nyeaec, which reminds me, I'd like my No Wave comp to include Lecture On Eigth Avenue by V-Effect.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

someday if i ever get a way to burn vinyl, i'll burn you all the rare circle x stuff i have.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I've ripped the Circle X 7" with Puerto Rican Ghost, if you want I can send it to yr email. You could try downloading it off me on Slsk but I can't get my router to work properly at the moment and I'm having major problems with connecting.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i think that someone should make a cd-r full of this stuff because i cant find most of it on slsk and i surely dont have enough money to buy it all

― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

a) I can burn vinyl and then some, joel (1200->nice rane->motu828)

b) please send all songs to dan at acuterecords dot com

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 16 July 2005 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

where can I hear Circle X doing Puerto Rican Ghost? I have that Dexter's Cigar reissue of the first EP somewhere but that's it.
Just as a warning for anyone thinking the same thought, Circle X's version is really really really tenuously related to the original.

― dlp9001, Saturday, 16 July 2005 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I should say that Circle X's Puerto Rican Ghost is actually not a cover, it just takes the name from the Mars song. (it is Mars right, not DNA?)

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 16 July 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, I'll email you the Circle X 7" tomorrow, I'm a bit too out of it tonight!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 16 July 2005 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that's my favorite Circle X track. (It's the whole thing, though, right? "33/Puerto Rican Ghost."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 16 July 2005 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember really digging Underworld from the reissued ep.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 16 July 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

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