The Auteurs - New Wave

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Why is this album so overlooked? Fuck, why is Haines's entire oeuvre overlooked?

enjoy bell woods, Friday, 15 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I loved this album upon its release. "Starstruck" and "American Guitars" are wonderful songs. The problem is Haines' vocals: he sings like a wuss. Even Neil Tennant sang with more force.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Sarah Nixey sings with more force. That's why Black Box Recorder is better.

Still, there's an acoustic version of Auteur's Chinese Bakery floating around online that's worth hearing. And Baader Meinhof remains truly disturbing.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

What? Luke Haines's voice is so distinct and so perfect for the sort of music he writes. I think he's perfect.

enjoy bell woods, Friday, 15 July 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

Mr A. Soto and kornrulez6969: you should hear Haines's version of "I Love the Sound of Breaking Glass" and indeed myriad others. He's hardly a simple vocalist to categorise. His hushed tones can certainly take on the mantle of menace and aggression where appropriate. And he has increasingly used a certain self-persona in his vocals - rather like a seasoned star of Victorian melodramas who knows has to play the - sadly small in his case - audience.

"New Wave" is a glorious record by my estimation, as indeed are good few others of the man's, particularly his two solo records of 2001, as well as "After Murder Park" and "England Made Me" (for me, the best all around BBR effort).

I must admit to getting slightly impatient for some sustained new material, however. BBR's "Passionoia" was, IIRC, in 2003, and two years plus seems a long time for a whole new album from a writer hitherto as prolific as Haines. The jagged brilliance of the new songs on "Das Capital" only raised the bar higher, after the misstep of "Passionoia", which I don't quite fully like.

Tom May (Tom May), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

I'll guardedly defend Now I'm A Cowboy, if only because it's been years since I've heard it but I remember some good tunes on it.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 July 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

I actually happened to see this tour in April of 1993 in Los Angeles. I vividly remembered it because it was at Café Largo, so there were seats and chairs set up. I have never liked sitting for concerts but that’s another story. The show was really good but very mellow. They came back for the next album and played the Whiskey A Go Go, which was a big rock and roll show, quite a bit different from the New Wave tour.

I loved the band at the time but haven’t really played much since the day. I have been meaning to dig out my old CD’s and see how they stack up but haven’t yet. I really am going to now because of this thread and a few people over at Obner, another music board I frequent, have been professing their love for the Auteurs as of late with one being a women.

BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 16 July 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

Check Das Capital out.

enjoy bell woods, Saturday, 16 July 2005 06:17 (twenty years ago)

Das Capital seconded. "Satan Wants Me" is one of the best things he's ever done, and the whole thing is so ridiculously over-the-top it's brilliant.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Saturday, 16 July 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

His vocals are great on that too, the snarl on the chorus and the way he delivers that "my mother says that she will miss me/I will not attend the funeral when she dies (as she will)". I like New Wave but I can see how the feeble vocals and watery jangle-guitars diminish its appeal a bit. I like How I Learned To Love The Bootboys best.

Two new solo albums due out, uh, at some point, I think.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Avoidant (Ferg), Saturday, 16 July 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

The four Auteurs albums actually get better as they go along, I think: Now I'm A Cowboy is a bit better than New Wave, After Murder Park is a LOT better than either and How I Learned To Love The Bootboys is a bit better again. With each release the sound got bigger, grander, camper...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Finney OTM. I see the history of the Auteurs/BBR as a steady progression, up to and including The Facts Of Life and culminating in Haines's solo album (Oliver Twist Manifesto) Passionoia is brilliant conceptually, but the production falters a bit - it should have been either totally campy or less so. As it is, it's a sort of compromise...

In general, Haines is to me what Killing Joke are to Alex in NYC, so everything I say should be taken with a mound of salt.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

I havent heard After Murder Park in years. You've given me something to look forward to when I get home!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Go straight to "Married to a Lazy Lover!"

...In response to the original question posted, why indeed? Haines is more consistently brilliant than, say, Elvis Costello; the problem is that he truly doesn't seem to give a fuck about keeping up appearances (how many labels did he go through?!) and is thus somewhat unmanageable.

If, say, NME wrote a cover story praising him, his next solo record probably would have been a conceptual album about the UK music press with a mockup of an NME issue for cover art (cf: Bootboys is an album-length refutation of the very concept of nostalgia, Passionoia is a parody of fame-is-hell moaning, Twist is a "rap" album devoted to starting beefs with British conceptual artists, etc).

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

The problem is Haines' vocals: he sings like a wuss.

An EVIL wuss. Very important.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Haines is more consistently brilliant than, say, Elvis Costello; the problem is that he truly doesn't seem to give a fuck about keeping up appearances (how many labels did he go through?!) and is thus somewhat unmanageable."


I wouldn't go QUITE that far. For all his wit, he lacks both Costello's endearing bad taste and comprehensive list of referents on which he can always rely when the well runs dry.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Too bad Mr. Haines is not one of those referents, then. That would have been a duet to end all duets.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.lukehaines.co.uk/communiques/statements/select2.jpg

This is one of my favourite things ever.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Avoidant (Ferg), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

That is so fucking brilliant. And, of course, "golden years / golden years" is a quote from "Dead Sea Navigators"!

Haines is the only artist I know who turns his PR campaigns into integral parts of his recordings. When Das Capital came out, all he would do in the press was brag how expensive it was to record (which set up the punchline of the album's ridiculous overproduction).

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 17 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Haines is beginning to resemble the offspring of Thomas Hobbes and Hulk Hogan.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Avoidant (Ferg), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

omg that select thing

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 6 August 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

It really is the best thing ever.

Tim F, Monday, 6 August 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

i like this record a lot.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 6 August 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

Still stand by my Neil-Tennant-with-class-resentment-and-guitars line.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 6 August 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

of fuck off "class resentment" you ass.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 6 August 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

i live in a classless society i don't know what yr talking abt.

but yeah dude seems really bitchy! rawr! i like him, he's funny.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 6 August 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

of fuck off "class resentment" you ass

Worthy of the Haines of After Murder Park.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 6 August 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Sold this years ago, but kept the Baader Meinhoff disc.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 6 August 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

'Ve got Baader Meinhoff also - is good.
No any other Haines alas.

t**t, Monday, 6 August 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

I agree that Haines does sound kinda thin on New Wave, but I don't think that criticism applies to anything from After Murder Park onwards.

Tim F, Monday, 6 August 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

Great record, but how could an album be bad with 'Showgirl' on it?

zeus, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)


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