TS: Kim Gordon vs. Kim Deal

+ indie darling vs. indie darling + chart topper favors Kim D.

Also, she has a longer wikipedia entry, so there's that.

Points should also be awarded to Kim Coletta.

And some love for Kim Warnick too.

Um... Free Kitten? Anxious Rats? the SYR 5 EP with Ikue Morie and DJ Olive?

arguable

, better singer

eh.. it's really a stylistic thing. I much prefer Gordon.

, better songwriter.

No.

Kim Deal Wins.

Pixies, Breeders, The Amps.

TS: "Swimsuit Issue" vs "Do You Love Me Now?"

she definitely wins a most boring and forgettable musican life-time achievement award from me. IF i were to hand out such an award. which i don't at the present time.

As for the Kims, I love them both too. I like Sonic Youth but never loved them like Pixies. I go with Deal.

I like Last Splash as much as any Pixies album, so.

huh? kim deal smells??? like what?

kim deal...in a heart beat...

seems like a good idea

these days I've changed my mind to Deal. Those first couple Breeders records + the Amps' "Pacer" are unique and underrated

wonder what Deal's "Girl In A Band"-style memoir would be like

I read some recent interview with her where she was being v forthright about aging (not married, no kids, caring for sick/invalid parents) and it really made me feel for her. Plus the sobriety angle. Her and Gordon had very different lives.

this thread is kinda gross though, reading over it

I think there is something highly unusual, maybe even unique, about Deal's role in rock culture and indie rock culture. To go from what was essentially a second-fiddle role in a band that wasn't quite that huge to something where she was the leader/songwriter/singer of a female-dominated group that surpassed her old band in popularity and cultural ubiquity by virtue of her strange combo of bubblegum pop instincts and love of noise/distortion but then there's this grim underside of drug abuse and isolation and it all goes to shit and now no one talks about her, she's like a forgotten one-hit wonder (whereas Gordon still has that dialed-in NY art/fashion/media scene to sustain her and also had the family experience)

Deal

Deal is an icon for me. I admire Gordon a lot, but from a distance. Deal's writing, voice, persona all connect very directly. There are days when she's my all-time favourite songwriter - golden pop sensibility shot through with chaos and darkness. Find me another song as tight-and-loose as London Song or Sinister Foxx, or as offhand menacing as Doe. She's truly unique in an unassuming way.

Her and Gordon had very different lives.
they are very different people! imagine that!

this thread is kinda gross though, reading over it
no surprise here either

i identify with deal about 1000x more (as a person) but it was fun to read gordon's memoir just to see what life was like for her

don't count out the later breeders albums, there's good stuff on mountain battles and especially title tk too. the amps album is probably her pinnacle though.

Title TK is my fave. And Pod of course. I enjoy Pacer but it's slightly too loose and unfocused (sounds a lot boozier than TTK).

Fuck Thurston

bodacious OTM

New Breeders album should hopefully be here soon! They finished recording it a while back.

Thurston Moore pretty much turning into the Sonic Youth-loving Jason Bateman character from Juno is one of the more bizarre things to have happened in recent years. Thurston still gets to hang out and make lists of his favorite albums on the cool websites too.

Her and Gordon had very different lives.
they are very different people! imagine that!

Yeah well I didnt start this thread or invite the comparison, i just wanted to talk about kim deal and she doesn't have a dedicated thread.

I'm loving the mini-revival for Pacer here. I feel like a lot of Gordon's SY songs are underrated but def Deal has connected to more profoundly; I like-to-love every single album of hers. Shakes & MatthewK & La Lechera all otm here

Pacer's one of my fav five or so albums, probably. Always love listening to it. Only picked it up by chance, Back when vinyl wasn't selling much and The Amps had about 10% of the name recognition of The Breeders (iirc Deal once said not just calling it the third Breeders album was her biggest career regret).

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2d3b889c52388030f964d7f499c6668b/tumblr_mzh29fBm411rlxwvfo1_500.gif

haha how was that not the first post on this thread

"Bragging Party" looms over all other songs of the 90s, in my imagination.

otm that song is unbelievable.

haha it's so good my band sampled it

lol it was never clear to me if she was singing "memorized breaths" (as a ref to the harmonies in the song) or "memorized breasts" (which is also funny)

all the static noise on the vocal obscures the phrasing

so I guess I need this Amps album, huh?

yes!

to quote the album itself, it's full of... mythic noise

I've always been a big Pod fan but somehow the Amps thing was never on my radar

Deal's probably otm that releasing the album under a different name from the Breeders was a colossal mistake. You'd think that a follow-up to a huge album would've gotten more attention but it really kind of disappeared.

yeah, I'm a perfect example! already a fan, ready to hear more, missed it completely

Kim Deal is my favorite '90s musician, i think everything she touched that decade is gold and persona-wise she is just really appealing and admirable imo.

sorry kurt

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It's always a pleasure to listen to Kim Deal sing.
It's never a pleasure to listen to Kim Gordon sing.

Deal, then.

another point of comparison:
Amps and Free Kitten full-lengths both released 1995 around the same time, I got both, guess which one I held onto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FqhOQLD3t0

i just went through ohio and played a show in my hometown and this very short gbv cover warms my heart because it is so ohio and so of its time
and her voice, always

haha thx for that, never seen it before

i still think deal and pollard should've made at least four albums together (i guess they had a falling out?)
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llrzurjzPR1qcziuco1_1280.jpg

breeders played it when i saw them at pfork 2013
i remember freaking out (lol)

^ That picture could not be any more '90s.

could prob get a podcast episode out of it

I love the Breeders' version of Gloomtown. I remember first hearing it in Live in Stockholm

Fwiw I spoke to a woman in NYC in 2002 who claimed she interviewed Kim D backstage at a gig and she was openly smoking heroin but I think she went to rehab for alcoholism rather than heroin and that was before the Pixies reformed so suggestion she did the reformation to support her habit doesn't ring true. She admits to taking lots of drugs in the late 90s. Anyway both these women are icons to me and this thread kinda sucks but here I am adding to it so fuck me I guess.

I assume she did the reunion for the money just like every band does

Pretty nice Kim Deal & Robert Pollard collab that flew under the radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1_1ptzs0FM

Kim (& the OG Breeders) is/are still making great music as of 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb46UMdmGqY

Freedom Cruise posted a couple posts up was:

Robert Pollard - guitar & vocals
Tobin Sprout - guitar
Jim Pollard - guitar
Jim Greer - bass
Kim Deal - guitar & backing vocals
Kelly Deal - drums & backing vocals

recorded circa Amps - Pacer & GBV - Alien Lanes

So glad Elijah Wood and you guys repped for Amps - Pacer. What a wonderful album I could have easily missed. Pollard only co-written a track but I kept imagining he had some bigger role because a bunch of songs sound a bit Pollardy to me.

I love that 90s picture of Kim + Pollard + whoever those other people are. That guy at the end of the table was he in Pavement? Probably

Yeah that looks like Mark Ibold

Isn't Kim there with former rock journalist/former Mr. Kim Deal/former GBV member Jim Greer?

Lol yeah... Ibold looks nothing like him.