CRIKEY! ROCK MUSICIAN TAKES ON ROCK CRITIC!!!

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CKY guitarist/vocalist Deron Miller has slammed Rolling Stone journalist Jenny Eliscu over a scathing one-star review (out of five) of the band's latest CD, "An Answer Can Be Found". What follows is Eliscu's original review of the CKY album (which can be found online at RollingStone.com), followed by Miller's response, as sent to BLABBERMOUTH.NET.

Jenny Eliscu (Rolling Stone)'s review of CKY's "An Answer Can Be Found":

"Perhaps the most noteworthy thing about CKY is the ardor of their fans, the CKY Alliance, whose bragging rights include having bombarded this magazine with pissed-off e-mails after we gave the band's previous album a two-star review. Here we go again. The presence of Bam Margera's brother Jess on drums may keep CKY aligned with the skate-punk scene, but 'An Answer Can Be Found' is mind-numbing stoner metal, with ginormous power chords, repetitive vocals and overwrought lyrics ('Invaded by a swarm of confliction'? Ex-squeeze me?). 'Don't Hold Your Breath', 'Suddenly Tragic' and 'The Way You Lived' all renounce suicide, which may be a case of CKY living down their name, which is short for Camp Kill Yourself. 'Why put the gun to your head if you're already dead?' singer Deron Miller asks on 'Suddenly Tragic'. One good reason: to drown out the sound of 'An Answer Can Be Found'."

Deron Miller's (CKY) response to Jenny Eliscu's review:

"If Rolling Stone was ever a credible music magazine, it certainly no longer is. They actually paid some woman that calls herself Jenny Eliscu money to write a review of our new album that isn't even suitable for inclusion in a free high-school fanzine. She gives the album one star based on the behavior our fans (the CKY Alliance) exhibited after our last disc got two stars. They raided the RollingStone.com message boards demanding for it to be revised. How predictable, tiresome and unprofessional it is for a magazine of this stature to have Jenny Eliscu employed there as a 'journalist,' with her personal playlists only consisting of Top 10 platinum acts. Jenny actually uses the term 'ex-squeeze me' in her review after citing lyrics from our album that she just simply isn't intelligent enough to understand. This woman should be fired for this trash. I can be juevenile and 'clever,' too, Jenny. By saying things like 'Jenny's friends and family should know that she is an aging, ugly skank, and I really pray that she doesn't live too much longer'... Jenny Eliscu... no stars."

CKY's "An Answer Can Be Found" sold 27,786 copies in the United States in its first week of release to debut at No. 35 on next week's The Billboard 200 chart.

bill halsey, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

with ginormous power chords, repetitive vocals and overwrought lyrics

Hey now wait one minu...

Let me just say I haven't heard anything by this band but doesn't her description match a helluvalotta rock bands? Were they this harsh on Weezer's last album? It is comparable to giving a rap album a thrashing because it "featured few memorable melodies, relied too much on the beat and featured little to no singing (they talked over the music!)".

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Crybaby.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Do Rolling Stone reviewers really say "Ex-squeeze me"?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

decurtis does, all the time

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

They actually paid some woman that calls herself Jenny Eliscu money to write a review of our new album that isn't even suitable for inclusion in a free high-school fanzine.

They let *gasp* a woman review our punk rock album!!

PB, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

"musician"
"critic"

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

i'm tired of everyone ripping on struggling underground indie acts

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

but really this is the sort of battle that needs a Clint Eastwood to do some Fistful of Dollars type shit with it

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

DEATH TO BOTH OF THESE UNPLEASANT PEOPLE.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

haha confliction is not a word

Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

"Dear Rolling Stone,

I can't believe you actually paid some woman to review our album. Obviously, the only reason she gave it one star is that our fans bombarded your magazine with mail, and had this not happened, you would have given it the two stars that it deserved, like our last album. Additionally, I'd like to point out that this Jenny can't possibly have any legitimate reason to dislike the album, and must therefore be sexually frustrated."

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

How much money do I have to pay for CKY to disband, and to whom do I have to pay it?

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)

when I googled "Jenny Eliscu", half the first page results were about CKY, 2 of which were from the CKY Alliance page. the only thing worse than overzealous fan clubs are overzealous fan clubs that start petitions and smear campaigns over bad reviews.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

That'll show HER.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

at a show last year the cky alliance started chanting "fuck you emo faggots" at my band before we even started playing, they did this with little variation throughout the other opener's set as well. I'm glad someone took the critics equivalent of a wet dump on their collective faces even if it was rolling stone.

GodAwful, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

"haha confliction is not a word"

Try telling that to George W Bush Jnr.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

there was a bitch on Australian Big Brother this year that used the word "confliction" in every other sentence! then slowly everyone else started saying it. it was like sandpaper across my brain every time.

grrrrr.

CKY: We know some famous people.

nicholas de jong (nicholas de jong), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

I hate CKY, however:

1 entry found for confliction.

con·flict ( P ) Pronunciation Key (knflkt)
n.
A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle or war.
A state of disharmony between incompatible or antithetical persons, ideas, or interests; a clash.
Psychology. A psychic struggle, often unconscious, resulting from the opposition or simultaneous functioning of mutually exclusive impulses, desires, or tendencies.
Opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction, especially opposition that motivates or shapes the action of the plot.

intr.v. con·flict·ed, con·flict·ing, con·flicts (kn-flkt)
To be in or come into opposition; differ.
Archaic. To engage in warfare.


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[Middle English, from Latin cnflctus, collision, from past participle of cnflgere, to strike together : com-, com- + flgere, to strike.]
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con·fliction n.
con·flictive adj.
con·flictu·al (kn-flkch-l) adj.
Synonyms: conflict, contest, combat, fight
These nouns denote struggle between opposing forces for victory or supremacy. Conflict applies both to open fighting between hostile groups and to a struggle between antithetical forces: “The kind of victory MacArthur had in mind... victory by expanding the conflict to all of Chinawould have been the wrong kind of victory” (Harry S. Truman). “Fortunately analysis is not the only way to resolve inner conflicts” (Karen Horney). Contest can refer either to friendly competition or to a hostile struggle to achieve an objective: a spelling contest; the gubernatorial contest. Combat most commonly implies an encounter between two armed persons or groups: “Alexander had appeared to him, armed for combat” (Connop Thirlwall). Fight usually refers to a clash involving individual adversaries: A fight was scheduled between the world boxing champion and the challenger. “There is nothing I love as much as a good fight” (Franklin D. Roosevelt). See also synonyms at discord

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

Jenny still OTM re: the lyric

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

our new album that isn't even suitable for inclusion in a free high-school fanzine

C'mon, even he thinks his own record's shit.

Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

The CKY guy said "ugly skank" (zing!) so his band would be right at home in a free high-school zine.

Do Rolling Stone reviewers really say "Ex-squeeze me"?

Fricke has used it, too:

"... so it's no surprise that this fine collection of 1910 Fruitgum Company outtakes bleeds with the plucky band's infectious ex-squeeze and bubblegum glee..."

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

"Not that I'm concerned (course you're not), You're paper's full of crap (course it is), I only read the gig guide anyway"

- Half Man Half Biscuit, 'Bad Review'

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

"some woman that calls herself"!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Bad review, bad journalist, bad musician, bad music.

No winners.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

Except perhaps Temporary Amusement

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

The real question here is whether Jenny Eliscu is any relation to Robert Eliscu, oboe and woodwinds guy with Popol Vuh and Between. He's American too.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

Jesus, what a nerd I am!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Camp Fuck Yourself

todd (todd), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

I love the use of sales numbers to prove his "point." Apparently, he's very proud that his band is (by his logic) roughly one-fifteenth as good as R. Kelly.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

An lot of people would be proud to be in a band that sells one fifteenth a many copies as R Kelly, though. Less people would be proud to be a journalist whose main claim to fame seems to be aggressive dissing of said band.

loafingoaf, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

note to bands: bad reviews happen. deal with it.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha I saw the one star and didn't bother reading the review solely because it was CKY and, well, I expected one star.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

An lot of people would be proud to be in a band that sells one fifteenth a many copies as R Kelly, though. Less people would be proud to be a journalist whose main claim to fame seems to be aggressive dissing of said band.
-- loafingoaf (loafe...), July 19th, 2005.

He's the one trotting out sales numbers to say that sales = quality. Which is a game he loses.

"Main claim to fame" = an ILM thread?

I've gotten and given glowing and scathing reviews. That's showbiz. Deal.

And by the way, if you don't think the CKY Alliance isn't unified at least partially around the principle that "old fogeys like Rolling Stone hate us" and would disintegrate if the band got four stars and sold R. Kelly numbers of records, well, ha.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

He's the one trotting out sales numbers to say that sales = quality.

Actually, he's not. You misread the first post. The Deron Miller quote ends with "...no stars", and the record sales part was added by whoever writes the news at blabbermouth.net.

Guy Incognito (Guy Incognito), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

An lot of people would be proud to be in a band that sells one fifteenth a many copies as R Kelly, though. Less people would be proud to be a journalist whose main claim to fame seems to be aggressive dissing of said band.

-- loafingoaf (loafe...), July 19th, 2005.

Yeah, but anyone with a shred of pride or dignity wouldn't go flaming journalists for writing bad reviews.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

You are being too thin skinned. I merely pointed out that more people would be proud to be in a band with CKY Alliance's sales than being a journalist whose main claim to fame was dissing them. As someone mentioned upthread, a Google search on Eliscu's name mainly brings up discussion of her negative reviews of this band. That, if anything, seems to be what she's known for.

The journalist I was referring to was not you. I had no idea you were one.

loafingoaf, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

"This music critic must only have got her job because her brother is a TV star"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

xpost Sorry, misunderstanding there, I think. I meant that the guy in CKY is lame for flaming the reviewer.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Rolling Stone still exists?

cdwill, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Christian Hoard has to pay the bills somehow.

The Ghost of OOOH BURN (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

there should be some fun googlers arriving soon

jones (actual), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

The review was pretty bad. And my gut tells me that CKY sucks. Nobody wins.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard them but they got fans in town because of the whole Bam thing. Dude's a central PA'er and if you're in the right town with the right hat hat people will ask you if you're Bam.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

There's a right hat and a wrong hat now?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Hurting my post was directed at Rick Massimo's and not yours - x-posts.

loafingoaf, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

As Ebert has rightfully pointed out, no one ever bitches about critics or attacks their credibility when they're given a positive review.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

No, I knew that. And apparently I was wrong to think that the CKY guy had mentioned the sales figures.

I only mentioned the reviews I've gotten and given to explain that I do know what I'm talking about; specifically, that I've been on the receiving end of scathing reviews and, while tempted, knew that it would be truly lame to write in and complain.

I'll shut up and get back to work now.

Waitaminnute this just showed up:
As Ebert has rightfully pointed out, no one ever bitches about critics or attacks their credibility when they're given a positive review.
-- Josh in Chicago (Vitesse9...)

Or says "who cares what the critics think?"

OK, NOW I'll shut up and get back to work.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

Jenny Eliscu

2004 albums ballot
1 Elliott Smith From a Basement on the Hill
Anti- points: 20

2 Killers Hot Fuss
Island points: 15

3 Honorary Title Anything Else But the Truth
Doghouse points: 15

4 Franz Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand
Domino/Epic points: 10

5 Taking Back Sunday Where You Want to Be
Victory points: 10

6 Ray LaMontagne Trouble
RCA points: 10

7 Ambulance Ltd Ambulance LTD
TVT points: 5

8 Arcade Fire Funeral
Merge points: 5

9 Garden State
Epic/Sony Music Soundtrax points: 5

10 Kanye West The College Dropout
Roc-A-Fella points: 5

2004 singles ballot
1 Kanye West "Jesus Walks"
Roc-A-Fella

2 Gwen Stefani "What You Waiting For?"
Interscope

3 U2 "Vertigo"
Interscope

4 John Mayer "Daughters"
Aware/Columbia

5 Dashboard Confessional "Vindicated"
Vagrant/Interscope

6 Usher featuring Lil Jon and Ludacris "Yeah!"
Arista

7 Taking Back Sunday "A Decade Under the Influence"
Victory

8 Killers "Somebody Told Me"
Island

9 Franz Ferdinand "Take Me Out"
Domino

10 Eminem "Mosh"
Interscope

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Her sexual frustration is evident.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

She's bitter.

maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

who the fuck is CKY? i've heard of bam margera, actually had the misfortune of seeing him on TV a couple times. reminded me why i don't have cable in my house.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

You are being too thin skinned. I merely pointed out that more people would be proud to be in a band with CKY Alliance's sales than being a journalist whose main claim to fame was dissing them. As someone mentioned upthread, a Google search on Eliscu's name mainly brings up discussion of her negative reviews of this band. That, if anything, seems to be what she's known for.

-- loafingoaf (loafe...), July 19th, 2005.

that wasn't the point of my posting that info at all. she's been an editor at RS for a while! I've seen her as a talking head on VH1! she'd obviously risen to some level of reknown as a critic before this. I was just pointing out that CKY and their fans have turned their response to her review into a media campaign and have managed to obscure whatever reputation she had previously.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

I like reviews that use rhymes well.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 22 July 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Calvin Klein started a punk band???

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Wow, it took me a good thirty seconds of looking at Eliscu's 2004 albums ballot to figure out how "anti- points" were different from "doghouse points" and "island points." For a second I thought this was some kind of new, clever, but rather obscure ranking system.

belle haleine, Friday, 22 July 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

haha!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

So Rolling Stone gave the "much anticipated" CKY record one star? If you don't have anything nice to say, etc ... What's the point of giving a bad review to a record no one was going to listen to in the first place?

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Actually, now I get it. Media stunt.

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)


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