Microtonal jazz

there's some really great info at wikipedia (less about microtonal jazz, more about just microtonal music in general) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtonal_music

i assume milton would have some info on this?

ysi a good track from the maneri, julio?

don't know as much about the jazz side of this, Emil Richards & the Microtonal Blues Band comes to mind remotely but I'm sure that's different.

though the term is usually reserved for music that's using a determined scale as an alternative to equal temprament rather than someone who's just aiming scattershot between the notes

julio, haven't heard the Catler Brothers but they're always referred to as 'jazzy' hey hey

Catler Bros. Crash Landing (custom electric guitars, just intonation) The Catler Bros. take the intonational explorations of virtuoso jazz to their next natural step, just intonation. Includes a rendition of Ornette Coleman's "Free."

not sure abt ysi-ing stuff - never done it

I guess I'm looking for other albs that show an use of microtones in a jazz context, maybe I can start comparing

thanks for the recommendations milton - need some just to comparison and more thinking

I'm playing the maneri CD now and its the playing around with the pitches at the beginning that's coming from maneri's horn that threw me sideways but I'm only half-hearing

1) convert whichever track(s) you like to mp3
2) go to http://www.yousendit.com
3) type in your email address
4) find the mp3 on your computer and upload it
5) copy and paste the link they give you when it's done to this thread.

if I get a track onto my computer I'll try it tomorrow sometime

http://www.donellismusic.com/
http://abel.hive.no/oj/musikk/trompet/tpin/Quarter_Tones.html

john eaton

http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=876

haven't heard either yet

http://www.handofgord.com/donellis/#own

In less than one hundred years, this album will be obsolete. Reverb amplifiers, clavinets, loop delays and quarter-tone trumpets (not to mention conventional instruments) will all be junked. Time signatures such as 5/4, 7/4, or 17 will be too simple for the latest teen dances. And the hard-driving Rock sound will be supplanted by evenings spent receiving electrical jolts to the frontal lobes

*"33 222 1 222," "27/16," "Beat Me Daddy, 7 to the Bar," etc.

second side and the first track is really nice. lots of ambient weirdness. delays. kinda trippy. maybe because i'm on the second beer? it sorta sounds like something carla bley woulda done

the song i was refering to as a bit trippier is "Open Beauty".

& then in the sixties the free players _really_ started in on overtones and playing between the notes... all of the free players who are typically brought up were pushing away from the twelve notes & finding new things that worked

that's not what Julio's talking about with 'microtonality' where someone defines an alternate, fixed set of intervals and composes for it: that's what that New Music Box interviewer linked above meant when asking Eaton 'who else was working with microtones in jazz besides Don Ellis' ... systematic exploration. points to Ellis for designing trumpets with extra valves to nail quarter notes

but put on (one of ten thousand examples) the first two minutes of Coltrane's "Meditations" with Sanders & Coltrane battling it out and the same question seems a little naive, they're playing off the scale and they know what they're doing

I bought Maneri's 'Kalavinka' last night, need to spend some more time with it... definitely a lot of strong precise between-note sustains there

that is.. a lot of frets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9MjtfEQl_c

That was pretty interesting.

Yeah, kinda...idk what I'd be looking for from microtonal rock.

feels like if Allan Holdsworth grew up listening to Muse

dunno about how it applies to jazz, but I researched some microtonal theory recently. Our familiar music divides the octave into 12 tones, but you can divide it in other ways too. Some work better than others, e.g. 5 tones gives a pentatonic scale, but harmonic music can also be found in other divisions, e.g. 53-TET is 53 tones, others that work include 19-TET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVZy9GUeMqY

xyzzzz do you like Horse Lords?

posting microtonal riffs until everybody agrees that bad notes are actually good notes pic.twitter.com/OtjaNo4D8k

— Virtual Trobairitz (@bastard__wing) May 5, 2020

ogmor - just saw this. Would you recommend a particular record?

This is tearing my head apart, kind of (h/t Drugs A. Money). Not 100% sure what to make of it but it's definitely interesting and I like Fiuczynski's tone a lot: https://giorgimikadze.bandcamp.com/album/georgian-microjamz

By ear, I can't tell at all what kind of tuning system they're using tbh.

there's a fella in Australia called Kraig Grady who has done microtonal work that I've really enjoyed

I wouldn't call it jazz (possibly jazz adjacent at times - I've seen him play with Chris Abrahams of The Necks for instance)

alongside the music is some loose world-building around the (fictional) island of Anaphoria, kind of fourth world vibes

in a fairly unexpected development, DJ Bonebrake from X plays on one of his records

I've been obsessing over this for the last 2 weeks:

https://www.reddit.com/r/saxophone/comments/1iyyoie/playing_alto_sax_over_a_bossa_nova_backing_track/

crying laughing

fascinating

this may be the same guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8HocJWDgSc