Uptown Top Ranking : Best record ever?

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Love inna you heart dis a bawl out fe me/When you see me inna pants and ting/See me inna 'alter back/Sey me gi' you heart attack/Gimme likkle bass, make me wine up me waist/Uptown Top Ranking....

The deadpan vocal delivery! The bass clavinet! My god 1977 was a great year!

Dr. C, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah pop, no style/al stric'ly roots/....

Dr. C, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!

btw, how do you spell new york?

fritz, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

N-E-W Y-O-R-K....

Tom, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A knife, a fork, a bottle and a cork, that's the way you spell New York...

Ben Williams, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PLUS it knocked "Mull Of Bastard Kintyre" off the top spot!

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah Ben has missed out the ace intervening dialogue, "No man youve made a mistake man, thats not the right way to spell New York" - said in really mentalist way. Actually the intro to that track captures the uneasy feeling of being talked to by some hopped-up madman on eg a bus really well.

Tom, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wanna be on the bus when someone walks up to Tom and says < A href=http://hjem.get2net.dk/sbn/misc/dj_s/cocaine.txt > Hey Jim, Jim, just a minute y'all I want to ask you somethin' I want you to spell somethin' for me Jim

fritz, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

On the short version of "Cocaine In My Brain" the guy playing Jim (or Dillinger with another voice) sounds REALLY WORRIED, it's a fantastic pop moment.

Tom, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(I think I need to go to computer camp this summer)

fritz, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yes. can anyone tell me how old they were when that record was made. i heard they were really young, like 16 or something. im gonna go play it now.

, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When they played UPTOWN on TOTP they were singing it live and it goes on FOREVER and Donna (Donna that is if they stand in the same order as their names) is sort of willing to look like she's interested, but Althea has stopped even bothering to sing and is just looking round the top of the pops room.

mark s, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So when I read this thread, I had zero clue what you were talking about. So I downloaded the song. And, as advertised, it's fantastic! better than "cocaine", even. Please tell me where can I get more? I assume that I want more stuff by the producer as opposed to althea and donna, but maybe I am wrong. I wish the song went on for 10 minutes

dave k, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I assume that I want more stuff by the producer as opposed to althea and donna, but maybe I am wrong.

I certainly can't tell you wheter y're rt or wrong, but there's an excellent Trojan comp of Joe Gibbs productions called Uptown Top Ranking that includes it.

Andy K, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When they played UPTOWN on TOTP they were singing it live and it goes on FOREVER and Donna (Donna that is if they stand in the same order as their names) is sort of willing to look like she's interested, but Althea has stopped even bothering to sing and is just looking round the top of the pops room.

Furthermore, isn't the case that, due to the rules wrt live performance at the time (no backing tapes*), they were backed by the BBC band? Which gave a bizarre Ronnie Hazlehurst feel to the arrangement and possibly contributed to its demise at the hands of "Figaro" the following week (Feb 11 '78).

I was 9 at the time and thought it was tuneless rubbish.

(* - this can't be true however, as countless bands mimed throughout the 70s. So what was the precise ruling?).

Michael Jones, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Precise ruling (I think): Bands could mime to prerecorded backing tapes only if they recorded them during that afternoon using BBC facilities. In spite of BBC sound people being the best in the business (oh yes), it was presumably pretty difficult to replicate a band's new release using a cranky old 8-track in a couple of hours (tho' it does result in some fantastic alternate versions on old TOTPs)

So they used to switch tapes. Allegedly.

Obviously A&D weren't familiar with behind the scenes shenanigans alluded to above, so they had to make do with the BBC ork's feeble attempt at reggae.

I loved the record at the time. Can't stand it now tho'.

harvey williams, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry I don't believe it is the Ronnie Hazelhurst Orc backing them!! Yes it may well not be Joe Gibbs, but it is musicians who have *some* familiarity with reggae. I'm pretty sure this "live" ruling varied at difft times, also. Robin C to thread!!

mark s, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry, I really don't know! Certainly Musicians' Union regulations on *needletime* were a factor keeping down Radio 1's broadcasting hours and preventing early ILR stations from playing 24 hours of the Top 40 etc, but I'm not entirely sure about the TOTP orchestra situation.

(hang on I think I have an old "one hit wonders" type doco on tape with the TOTP performance of "Uptown Top Ranking" which I could compare to the actual record)

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes do that now and be quick about it!!

Actually take as long as you like as I am just off to my sistah's birfday party hurrah!!

mark s, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So, New Order's infamous totally live performance of "Blue Monday" in '83 - first such display of liveness ever, or just since when?

Very confusing. Tape-swapping HW alludes most certainly went on - so much of TOTP2 sounds just like the rekkids. Rules (in so far as we can establish there were any) changed again in late 80s... all that baloney with Sting and Phil Collins showing the young upstarts a thing or two with their awful (but REAL and LIVE and AKCHEWAL) singing. Sice Booradley told me a story of how he HAD to sing live on TOTP cos, well, they were an indie band and indie bands were expected to do that kind of thing by '95. If he'd been in K-Klass or N-Joi he'd have got away with 180 seconds of vague mouthing. V-Mouth.

Sorry to Dr.C for dragging this thread away from its fine and worthy original subject.

Michael Jones, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the prog Robin's referring to is an old ep of "Top Ten". So I just dug my copy out. A&D certainly have a good old laff at the BBC Pops Orchestra (for 'tis they). Not sure who their leader was (don't think it was Ronnie. Johnny Pearson? Vocal backing: The Ladybirds). Shouldn't belittle their attempts too much, of course. 5 minutes later they were probably backing Cilla on her newie. The day after, they were probably Marti Caine's house band.

The prog also tells us that the song was a blatant rip off of a number called "Three Piece Suit an' t'ing" by Trinity. And that the follow up was called "Puppy Dog Song". Ahhhh....

harvey williams, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Would like to point out that I didn't actually say it was Ronnie H leading the Beeb emsemble, just that it had a flavour of the Master.

What are you doing trawling the interweb at this time of the morning, Mister Williams?

Michael Jones, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have an idea that the rules were stricter (or rather more strictly enforced) with foreign artists - on the grounds that they would be doing hard-working British musicians out of a job if they were allowed to use their pre-recorded foreign tapes.

David Inglesfield, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As the Pinefox would say - this is fantastic stuff! I love the though of jobbing BBC session men sharing a cuppa in the BBC canteen.

"Oo is it tomorrer, Sid?"

"It's that David Soul innit? Or is it that Diana Ross bird again?"

"'ave you had a word with Ronnie about fitting in an extra tea break yet?"

Dr. C, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok I concede I cannot have been listening to TOTP2 as hard as I was watching: and probably I have not listened to UTTR on disc for several years, tho I own it on the original seven-inch yay me (snore). Actually this boast makes me look even sillier, if what everyone is saying is true: how could I not spot the diff etc (I mean, I knew it wasn't the original but it didn't occur to me it was a fifth-rate BBC replication...)

mark s, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

if you want more of the rhythm the first track on it was Marcia Griffiths 'I'm Still In Love'. the rhythm itself (but before the funky synths were added) is on Joe Gibb's excellent African Dub Chapter Two LP under the title 'Angola Crisis'. i think maybe Gibbs had nothing to do with the Althea and Donna track - his studio did record the Trinity original

has there ever been a thread about the Musicians' Union here?

michael, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's also a 'version' of the UTR backing track on the recentish '500% Dynamite' comp (sorry, I can't check which track it is at the moment.)

Andrew L, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that's the Marcia Griffiths original

michael, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've got to shake the habit of ending sentences with "an' ting" which I've fallen into since UTTR has been on very heavy rotation in my house this week.

Today's examples (I'm told) :

"Nothing much on Telly, just Winter Olympics, Snooker an' ting" "Pass me the hammer an' ting" "I'll just nip out and get a paper an' ting"

I HAVE TO STOP!!

Dr. C, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not sure who the orchestra was on that one but I've got a pretty good version by "The pimlico people" somewhere in my collection.

They also do a truly frightening version of "Sheena is a punk rocker" and a really gay and unkind renditon of "Love is the drug"

Kris England, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Remember reading Neil Kulkarni (I think) writing about how he'd first heard PiL's "Death Disco" played by just such an orchestra on a Top Of The Pops album ...

Robin Carmody, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
Over on that indiepop thread, Taylor said "But the performance, the production, the arrangement and the purity of the idea make [Uptown Top Ranking] very special indeed."

I like UTR a lot, and it is a great vocal performance. But "the purity of the idea"? I'm not sure what this means, particularly in the context of the Jamaican re-use / recycling of rhythm tracks and toasting ideas & styles. ]

Thinking about it a bit, I think what appeals to me about UTR and a lot of other DJ music is the *impurity* of the idea, the constant scramble to re-use, re-combine and re-state excitingly and profitably. I'm tempted to say this is true of every sort of pop but that the structure of the Jamaican music industry lays the whole thing bare, offers it explicitly as part of the enjoyment.

Wasn't UTR the only reggae record which got the thumbs up from Tone 'n' Jules in "The Boy Looked at Johnny"? How do we feel about that?

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"unsurprised" is how we feel about that => dear god that book is dreadful

(did you get my email tim?)

mark s, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes.

And No! TBLAJ is trivvick! It proves once and for all that TOM ROBINSON BAND is the greatest punk rock thing. Which is surely the appropriate wrong conclusion (ie much funnier and punkah-er than my personal correct conclusion [whatever that is currently]).

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There was a reference earlier on this thread to the TOTP Orch. backing Cilla Black. Last night on TOTP2 there was an excruciating clip of Cilla Black from 1978, with the Orch. in full flight on a sub- disco number. I think it must have been shortly after this that Cilla decided, wisely, to give up on the music game.

David, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yes but it spoils it by also proving x-ray spex = the other punkah-er-est thing evr (which cannot = inkorrekt in anyone's language), and THEN SAYS "We make it two flew over the cuckoo's nest"? (Or did I dream that last bit? I haven't read it for a very long time...)

I always hated the bit where just b4 the show they give iggy pop laxatives instead of ludes (maan): but now i realise i like it a lot

mark s, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I bought Germ Free Adolescents the other week and was dismayed to find it in fact a bit rub after I remembered it as super fantastic all these years.

So earnest! The gap between X-RS and TRB is no so great.

Except of course we should accept that X-Ray Spex consists wholly and completely of the first single, and that they (it) are uber punkah-er- ist. Lora Logic = all-time queen of the world, obv.

Darn. I knew I shouldn't have mentioned TBLAT. I really wanted TP (or someone) to tell me why / how UTR had a 'purity of idea'

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Er aaargh I mean "Germ Free Adolescents" the LP rather than "Germ Free Adolescence" the single but have I got that the right way round? The single is the best thing on the LP by a street.

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(first single = oh! bondage!: final single = warrior in woolworths) (ignoring comeback etc etc) (= are they earnest?) (i mean TRB earnest?)

mark s, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

UBUY is *the* one. I love the GFA single but it's not the one.

Final single = Highly Inflammable shurely? (Was WIW the b-side? Can't remember). All that worrying about realness and identity and not being plasticky.

I remember thinking (e.g.) WIW (also the lyric about fluorescent foam etc etc that Tone & Jules quote) was revelling in the mass cultureness of itself but now it feels / sounds / reads like so much brown rice fretfulness / earnestness.

"Wake Up" by Essential Logic is the record they should have made.

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

to hide the fact that i think i'm wrong above abt the final single i am going to quote verbatim from the sleeve, spelling as per: "the hadies ladies are dressed to kill/dagger glares from richard hell/tension heighting heating frightning/thunder rolls as fast as lightning/..../the subterranean is a bottomless pit/the vinyl vultures are after it/moulton larver sulpher vapors/smoulder on to obliterate us"

mark s, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What I mean is they think the world turning day-glo was a BAD thing! Imagine!

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

LP *and* cut are spelled "ts" not "nce", but the LP is "Germfree" and the cut is "Germ Free"

i think you're right about the attitude >> poly was saying "here are some horrible things" but we the listeners were hearing (and feeling) "here are some fantastic things"

A RUBBER BUN!!

mark s, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

MOULTON LARVER!

mark s, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also the Vapors didn't smoulder.

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, nancy is now OBSESSED with this song, as i put it on a mix. i am very pleased.

jess, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The small me was certainly thinking "Day Glo World!" Fantastic! But the songs don't seem to let me think that anymore. Why not?

Also I thought bright orange vinyl! Fantastic! Now I have it on CD it's even shinier and smaller and plastickier (even comes in a plastic box) but nowhere near as much fun, and I really don't know why.

Tim, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have fond memories of going to see X Ray Spex quite regularly at the Man In The Moon on the Kings Road. They had a residency there at a time when the London Punk scene was beginning to be swamped by shit. Never heard the album though. I suspect they were rushed into a quick release (bands were signing contracts and releasing albums weeks later) and didn't have enough grade A material to fill it.

David, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...purity of idea? "Strictly Roots"?

Tim, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

purity of idea : "No pop" = "No style"

OH and you are all mentalists, the best X Ray Spex single is OBVIOUSLY 'day-glo' its on orange for god sakes.

Whats funny about this thread, and reading the history of the production of the song is that I thought A&D were indeed stric'ly roots because the single was on the same lable and Dennis Brown's fantabulous 'Money in my Pocket'.

What was lightning records really? Who else was on it?

Alexander Blair, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Lightning was a UK label (part of WEA? I sort of think so but can't remember) which licensed various bits of reggae from various places, including a fair amount of prime time late 70s Joe Gibbs stuff, from which source UTR and MIMP both come. They also had a hit by Me and You at one point, but I forget what that was called.

Can't remember whether they did any non-reggae stuff.

Tim, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes Highly Inf was final single and WIW was b-side.

BUt, best XRS single was, of course, IIIIIDENTITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Dr. C, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oops the Me & You hit was called You Never Know What You Got but it was on Laser not Lightning.

Incomplete Lightning lists at this v useful site.

Tim, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gemm.com tells me that, aside from its reggae output, Lightning put out records by acts 'like' Chris Montez, Elton Motello, Bilbo and Arsenal Football Club. Also the "Farewell To The Roxy" LP perhaps?

, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It has Lora Logic on it = it is the best XRS single.

My view proved by Logic, har.

Tim, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Lightning used to put out all sorts of things. A lot of it was licenced stuff from overseas eg Plastic Bertrand.

David, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But that says MIMP was two years after A&D, that can't be right.

Oh and what the hell is that thing which seems to be in Scots Gaelic? LIG 553 .

Alexander Blair, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

On 2nd thoughts maybe it's Elton Motello I'm thinking of (not PB), as mentioned above.

David, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

MIMP!!

can i also just mention the brilliantly nonsensical term "pre-release"?

mark s, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sandy, I guess that was a 1978 World Cup song, judging by the title of the b-side.

Tim, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah Elton Motello's Jet Boy Jet Girl is definately on lightning.

The 1978 world cup has been excised from my menory like the pen thing in MIB that Will Smith used.

Alexander Blair, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
List of versions of UTR on the rather brilliant reggae-riddims.com.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:36 (twenty-three years ago)

holy shit, yr not kidding about that site. thanks!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes now I have to dedicate my life to collecting all the versions of Shank I Shek listed. 207!

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow - what a site!

I have 5 UTR versions : A+D/Trinity/Aitken/Mighty Diamonds/Dillinger (not sure about the last one)

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 5 September 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I have the A&D, the Gibbs dub, the Studio 1 dub and the Dillinger version, which references the original: it has a female voice singing "I'm still in love.... with you, Dillinger". It's fab. Also there's a different dub on the b-side of the (A&D) single isn't there?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 5 September 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Not got the Abs single yet then?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 September 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Not yet! Suggest you submit Abs to Reggae-riddims.com, Tom, and see what they say.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 5 September 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe we could persuade them it's short for Abyssinian.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 5 September 2002 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Formerly of the Five Tribes of Moses. Or something. No disrespect intended to any tribes of Moses.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 5 September 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

(Tom you know how sometimes someone does a little mental trick connection that's not exactly meant to be funny or profound but it's still just really sharp and impressive that they did it? Yo yo that was one of them.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 5 September 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
yup

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
yes

am0n (am0n), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

YES

lex pretend (lex pretend), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

yes

flavio pessoa (flavio pessoa), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

eh...

jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

i mean i love it, but i think i'd choose Love Joys over them

jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

First song played by Steve Lamacq after John Peel died, fact fans.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

-_-

am0n, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

I know about the Jay Tees' "Buck Town Corner" which kind of hits the same spot for me, but I could listen to this stuff all day long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyK8mcuUIGI&feature=related

bug holocaust (sleeve), Monday, 10 May 2010 01:04 (fifteen years ago)

so, uh, what else sounds like this?

bug holocaust (sleeve), Monday, 10 May 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Feel-Like-Jumping-The-Best-Of-Studio-One-Women/release/552599

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 10 May 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJazLyUfzNs

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 10 May 2010 04:17 (fifteen years ago)

I brought my "Uptown Top Ranking" 7" to a vegan potluck last week and all these ppl were like "yo this is awesome what is this"

amadeus bag (Stevie D), Monday, 10 May 2010 04:25 (fifteen years ago)

Could be better but yeah, could be.

Moka, Monday, 10 May 2010 06:00 (fifteen years ago)

Is that 'wreck a buddy' song upthread intentionally referencing the 'little drummer boy' song?

Moka, Monday, 10 May 2010 06:07 (fifteen years ago)

Kept expecting the sisters to start doing the parapapa parapapa bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUHYnOTJ_uk&feature=related

Moka, Monday, 10 May 2010 06:08 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXnT3LFTc-s

A. U. Khan (am0n), Monday, 10 May 2010 06:36 (fifteen years ago)

The 'Best of Studio One Women' comp upthread is spot on for people looking for similar stuff.

Moka, Monday, 10 May 2010 06:44 (fifteen years ago)

this is the best song ever, but the full LP is kind of disappointing.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 10 May 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

Love this song, but never heard "Three Piece Suit" until a few months ago, so that's getting played a lot more as of right now.

naus, Monday, 10 May 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

Is that 'wreck a buddy' song upthread intentionally referencing the 'little drummer boy' song?

yep

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 10 May 2010 13:43 (fifteen years ago)

nine years pass...

"ow"

plax (ico), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 19:06 (six years ago)

Proto-ranking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEKQrMISQFc

stirmonster, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:14 (six years ago)

nice!

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:28 (six years ago)


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