"critics should not make records" - the balance sheet

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Pro:

C. Hynde
N. Tennant

Anti:

X. Moore
E. True
Him from Adorable (IIRC?)

Who else? And were they any good, or terrible?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

Cliff Jones from Gay Dad

mzui (mzui), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

gay dad and electric music aka both have their enjoyable moments. fabulous and regular fries less so.

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shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

The Redskins' "Lean On Me" is quite good!!

Chris Roberts' band Catwalk! (They were awful.)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

ANTI

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

Anti:

Nick Kent (Subterraneans)
Charles Shaar Murray (Blast Furnace & the Heatwaves)
B Geldof ("Love Like A Rocket")

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

P Morley ("fifth member of Art of Noise") perhaps doesn't come into this argument.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

Pro: Saint Etienne's Bob Stanley.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Partial pro: Akira the Don

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

Pro: J-Zone
Con: Benzino

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

What does BS actually do in Saint Etienne? Is it just lyrics?

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

'People I Don't Know Are Trying to Kill Me' by The Ghost Who Walks should be available as a download single on Endeavour/Universal by next Monday.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

wasn't mark s in a band long ago?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

he was guitarist with the jazz insects who were actually v good!

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

Also -

Pro:
Vivien Goldman - "Launderette," still one of my favourite singles from the early '80s.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

Apart from X.Moore and Charles Shaar, did they do records and crit at the same time? And be good? (at both?)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

well bob stanley does both and can be good at both, except when he starts ranting on about pharaoh sanders sounding like sweep out of sooty and sweep.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

Always heard Peter Laughner described as "musician and critic". Dunno what his wrote like, but, for 'Sylvia Plath' alone, the man's a god.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

Pro:
Anna Fielding
Miss AMP
Frances May Morgan

(But I would say that, wouldn't I?) ;-)

Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

well indeed, ms st claire... ;-)

who was the nme journo who formed fabulous? simon dudfield? they only had one single out but it was terrible!

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

also paul moody was in regular fries, whom i never liked much, but some punters rate them highly.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

CON

lester "fucking" bangs

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

REGULAR FRIES WERE RUBBISH. THEY GO IN THE "ANTI" COLUMN.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

fair enough.

what was bangs' band called again? the delinquents? now they WERE bad.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

Mixmaster Morris who I'd be inclined to put in the pro column but has released a few snoozeworthy moments too.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

cath carroll/miaow?

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

My band supported Fabulous once. I thought their hearts was in the right place, but sadly their notes weren't.

Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

how about a musical judgement on greg tate/burnt sugar from somebody NOT connected to der Village Voice (never heard em myself)??

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

Tobias Thomas, I guess pro.

DJ T.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

Pro: Steve Albini

mei (mei), Thursday, 21 July 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

"McCormick: 'I felt Bono was right when he insisted that it was a song whose time had come'"

Whos worse, McCormick or Bono?

mei (mei), Thursday, 21 July 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

Um, My vote goes Mc.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 July 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

R0llie P3mbert0n of PFM = Cadence Weapon. I haven't heard the album yet though.

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 21 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe this thread's gone this long without mentioning Yo La Tengo

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)


that lovely ILM dude (John D)who performs as Moutain goats .. he writes stuff doesn't he?

and yes .. i am one of those that would put Regular Fries in the Pro gang, but i will keep quiet about it, i am very aware of my faults.

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

I feel obliged to defend Catwalk - 'Damascus' and 'Ballerina Country' were excellent!

I also quite liked a few things by CR's next band, Scalaland.

And... The Foxgloves.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Con: Mark "Fucking" Knopfler

yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

pro:

crocus behemoth aka david thomas

steve morris

morrissey


anti:

ira kaplan


could go either way:

david keenan

neverbeeninabandinmelifehonest, Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

Mark Knopfler is not a con! He's the greatest guitarist of his generation! Some of those young so-called whippersnappers on the *scene* today would do well to learn from his craft mastery! Munee for nuthin'...COLOUR TEE-VEEH...

Hugh Thomson (nostudium), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe this thread's gone this long without mentioning Marilyn Manson.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

yah, that first Dire Straits record is kewl. Haters be damned!

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Will(iam), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

I owned (and in some box somewhere may still own) Ballerina Country and Damascus and feel I must disagree, JtN. Sleeves and rhetoric: Pleasuredome - Music: sadly Liverpool.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

anti:
joey sweeney (the trouble with sweeney/salon)

not that i'm against the practice.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

does Thurston Moore count?

Boring Satanic Space Jazz (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

John Robb from Gold Blade, now doing the "100 best" TV rounds.

Huey (Huey), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

sf-j

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

"John Robb from Gold Blade, now doing the "100 best" TV rounds."

Be fair, the guy genuinely needs the money.

Stew (stew s), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Tarpis Tula can be quite interesting, but Keenan doesn't take kindly to being reminded he was in 18 Wheeler.

stew (stew s), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Didn't D3le Fad3le have an act? Welfare Heroine? Or am I more muddled than usual?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Yes, he's on the NME 40th anniversary comp doing 'Where do I go to my lovely'.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

That's "Where did you go to my lovely" ..

No!

"Where do you go to my lovely.."

or it it "Lovey"?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 July 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

anti:

envelope

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 21 July 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Richard Noise - have the joys of The Grid faded with time?
Audrey Witherspoon - musical career dwarfs scrawling.
Kris Needs - better when constrained by magazine wordcounts or remix duties than when let loose on a book or album.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 21 July 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

we've done this before, more or less, but anyway:

pro:
metal mike saunders
gregg turner
richard meltzer
george smith aka dick destiny
frank kogan aka the main guy in red dark sweet
john petkovic aka the main guy in cobra verde and death of samantha
deborah frost aka the main lady in the brain surgeons

i totally agree that joey sweeney is an anti-, though

and i like the lester bangs and the delinquents album

xhuxk, Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Robert Palmer--Insect Trust, right? That's good. And I saw him play clarinet with CeDell Davis years ago, and he was good. And, a pretty fair music writer, I think.

I like Lester Bangs's "Jook Savages" pretty well--he was onto something.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

PRO: SASHA FRERE JONES--UI/NEW YORKER
PRO: MICK FARREN--DEVIANTS/INTERNATIONAL TIMES

blue paul, Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

pro: eric davidson of new bomb turks. (well, i gave them a good review in spin once anyway. though i said i preferred mariah carey and faster pussycat, which eric to his credit didn't take offense to.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I like Hugo Largo, and they've got a critic or two in their ranks.

Pro:
Vivien Goldman - "Launderette," still one of my favourite singles from the early '80s.

SO GODDAMN MUTHAFUCKIN OTM, Marcello! Vivien was wondrous -- see also the excellent "Her Story" and "The Window" on the Flying Lizards' debut. I need to find some Chantage, too, since she was with them.

Kitten, the body needs it, the body cries out for Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

i think $w33n3y's a better musician than writer. i mean, have you heard "the breakup"?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 21 July 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Goldman was also involved in B-Side's Odeon 12".

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Count me in on the Delinquents. Lester's single, "Let It Blurt"/"Live," is good, too. I've never heard the Birdland stuff.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 21 July 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

one of the wire's regular writers, i forget who, plays in an improv group i heard playing in a cologne record store once, and it quite blew me away. so make that a very vague, unverifiable "pro."

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 21 July 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

+ Ui, Sands
- Forced Premise(!)

Roque S. (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 21 July 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

PRO: the late great Cub Koda (of Brownsville Station "Smokin' In The Boys' Room" fame, although he had several solo albums).

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Friday, 22 July 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

(Chuck, I was not the main guy in Red Dark Sweet; that'd be Andrew Klimek, who was in the band all the way through and really was its dominant musician. Also, though I was a born critic, most of my written crit came after most of my music.)

Anyway:

Pro: Charlotte Pressler, Patti Smith, Lou Reed (he wrote a piece or two of criticism between leaving the Velvets and getting his solo career going). (Also pro many of the people mentioned upthread.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 July 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

pro: Will Sheff (Okkervil River/Shearwater)

david mc, Friday, 22 July 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

kris needs' music (which I'd thankfully forgotten about 'till today) was/is so uselessly horrible that he'd probably tip the overall balance towards "anti" even if every other music writer's record was really good.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

(Could not be more) Anti: Pat Kane

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

David Toop!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

pro:
james mcnew (fanzine editor before christmas/happy flowers/ylt)

anti:
jim testa
jack rabid

mike a, Friday, 22 July 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

also pro: robert gordon and marshall crenshaw, though their music came before their writing.

mike a, Friday, 22 July 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)


- Forced Premise(!)
-- Roque S. (wstre...), July 21st, 2005.

haha

Nick Sylvester, Friday, 22 July 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Destroy: Chrissie Hynde

Goldman was also involved in B-Side's Odeon 12".
Must. Hear. This.

Kitten, the body needs it, the body cries out for Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Friday, 22 July 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

pro: sound (lumbleau, not borland), nothing painted blue, 1-0
con: ether net, majesty crush, psyclone rangers
?: brad rose (being as how i'm unsure a) whether what he does qualifies as music criticism or b) that he should make as many records as he does)
??: how much of Orchid Spangiafora's genius can be attributed to Byron Coley?

always wondered what sort of a record Glenn TWAS might have made.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Pro: Franklin Bruno

JC-L (JC-L), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

pro: lalena fissure (color guard/hissyfits)
pro: falling james moreland (leaving trains)

xhuxk, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

pro: liz armstrong (misty martinez/to live and shave in l.a. 2 or whatever number they call themselves)

xhuxk, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

pro: James Jackson Tothe! Greg Weeks (solo)
con: Greg Weeks (Espers)

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

undecided after 30 years: john mendehlson (christopher milk)

and actually, i haven't listened to any of liz armstrong's records for a while, to be honest; i'm not sure how much i'd like them if i heard them now. (either way, she could be a pretty great writer.)

xhuxk, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Is Franklin Bruno in a band?

Nigel (Nigel), Friday, 22 July 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Via the Time Out NY archives, the wit and wisdom of Stephin Merritt:

From his Annual Xmas Album Round-Up:

Julie Andrews
Christmas with... (Legacy/SONY)

As old-style Christmas CDs go, this one is amazing. Andrews is the perfect singer for this genre, and much of her material is drawn from relatively obscure traditional carols: "In the Bleak Midwinter," "See Amid the Winter Snow," etc. The orchestral arrangements, by Ian Fraser, are unusually tasteful and...not boring! Not boring at all! Wow! The album was recorded in 1982, but this is its first CD edition. The song "Rocking" is a new one for me–it's sung in second person to the baby Jesus; in other words, you are Jesus. "We will serve you all we can / Darling, darling little lamb." I like this being-Jesus thing.

'N Sync
Home for Christmas (RCA)

"The Christmas Song," etc., from another street-harmony fake–hip-hop New Kids on the Block ripoff no one over 12 could put up with. I lived in Boston during the New Kids era, and it wasn't pretty. They put a lot of money into hush funds. I wonder if these kids are running around brutalizing their neighbors too. Anyway, you don't need this if you have any other records. It's what the Brits call "blue-eyed soul," and don't kid yourself it's harmless. Honey is made by bees.

Lovemongers
Here Is Christmas (2B)

Formerly the arena-rock band Heart, the Lovemongers give us yet another mainstream rock XCD. And a great one it is! Thrill to the brilliant melodic and linguistic inventiveness of the sisters Wilson in the most important musical development ever! The gramophone, the violin, Sgt. Pepper—these are nothing before the astounding achievement of Ann & Nancy's mind-blowing new album. But the world will explode if too many people find out, so don't buy it.

Mary-Kate & Ashley
Cool Yule: A Christmas Party with Friends (Kid Rhino)

In a 12-page booklet, six pages of advertising. This should be enough to make me refuse to write about this vile concoction starring two identical blue-eyed, "cute" Aryan twins (who won WWII?). This unbelievably irritating record cashes in on the popularity of these kids, but they have almost nothing to do with the featureless, generic music. The ads are for six books, five other CDs, video games, a fan club, a video, Mattel dolls and two websites. If you're planning to spend hundreds of dollars on neurotoxins for your children, why not skip directly to Ecstasy? They'll love you and hug you for hours!

Rosie O'Donnell
A Rosie Christmas (Columbia)

Amazingly, not only not awful, it's excellent! This charity album features duets between television personality O'Donnell and a singing gaggle of celebs, including Celine Dion, Elmo the Muppet, Donny Osmond, Cher (on which O'Donnell gets the "Believe" sound effect!), Billy Joel, Gloria Estefan, Lauryn Hill, Rosemary Clooney, 'N Sync and Sir Elton John. It's produced much like a sequel to A Christmas Gift for You from Phil Spector, and it has one nifty moment after another, somehow without becoming exhausting. The producer is Ric Wake, and he should be really famous. Half the songs are new, but the regurgitated chestnuts are, uniformly, at least forgivable. I'm stunned. This is one of the best records I've heard this year.

From his Annual Calendar Round-up:

Trouble! International Leatherman Calendar

A product of the Leather Archives & Museum, a nonprofit organization, this catalog of depravities is a great way to support a tax-deductible charity. It contains black-and-white photos of male-male analingus, masturbation, fellatio, three-ways and general posing. The models are not classically beautiful, though they are wearing leather fetish gear. Important dates in history include April 8, 1974, when "Members of the American Psychiatric Association agree with trustees to stop listing homosexuality as a mental disorder." Good thing they didn't see this calendar first. A handy enclosed order form lets you order Zeus videos such as Copsucker, Cajun Mantoy, Pain Pig Pickup and Bear Fuck Party.

Success SK24 Desk Pad

A no-frills option that includes Daylight Saving Time dates (why don't they all?) and every legal or Judeo-Christian holiday that might affect business, as well as red-letter day April 23, Professional Secretaries Day®, this is even larger than my blankokalender zum selbstgestalten and much more genuinely industrial-looking. There are three lines at the top for notes, and 12 minimonthlets at the bottom. Each day has seven lines to fill and tiny numbers ticking off the year's elapsed and remaining days. If you use it while lying on the floor, like me, it's the cheapest calendar here, but if you buy a desk to hold it up, it's the most expensive.

Bananas in Pajamas

Follow the Bananas in Pajamas, who have legs, eyes and perpetually smiling mouths—but no noses—from home to the beach, the campsite, the mountaintop, the park and then back again, where they recline in beanbag chairs in their rec room. Learn fun facts such as "It's party time in Cuddles Avenue" and "Lulu loves visitors!" (Lulu is a bear in pink-plastic clogs, and her visitors are two Bananas and a rat named Rat in a Hat.) If you buy this for your children, they will be dead by February.

Miscellaneous Quips:

...Collins's purpose in life is to champion great songwriters and songs. What does it matter if her versions are not definitive? All the better–you'll buy the original. That's how half the world discovered Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Randy Newman and even Stephen Sondheim and Bob Dylan. Every one of her albums is like a great compilation sung by your favorite English teacher, the dotty one who liked your poetry.

..."The Christmas Song" is played seriously by the king of musicomedy, but also on display is the neglected virtuoso showcase "All I Want for Christmas (Is My Two Front Teeth)," a No. 1 smash in 1948. God, I wish it was 1948.

...the CD comes with its own visual stimulus in the form of a Vari-Vue record cover showing the Teletubbies dancing in four stages between which you shift by slanting your viewing angle. As every acidhead knows, you can change your viewing angle either by tilting the object up and down or by tilting yourself up and down. Which means if you dance, the Teletubbies dance along. It's horrible.

And lastly, from his Guide to Mini-Golf Courses:

Nellie Bly Park Miniature Golf Shore Pkwy at 25th Ave, Bklyn (718-996-4002). Subway: B to 25th Ave. Bus: B6 stops at park. By car: exit 5 from Belt Pkwy. Noon–midnight, Tue, Thu 11am–midnight; $5, children and seniors $4. Named after the Brooklyn suffragette, this course—also dubbed "The Fun and Happiness Place"—has a hostile staff straight out of an AIP teen horror flick. The parking lot is dotted with indefinite tow-away zones. The first hole is adjacent to a shooting gallery that emits heart-stopping bangs at irregular intervals. There is chewing gum stuck to the lumpy playing surface. One of the obstacles is an outhouse. Each hole has a name and dumb comment on the scorecard: "Windmill—It's a Breeze," etc. Most patrons are disturbingly fat. I spotted one child in a Power Rangers yarmulke.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 22 July 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

pro: wendy case (the paybacks) (though i have never read a review by her)

xhuxk, Saturday, 23 July 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

sixteen years pass...

Vivien Goldman keeping busy-- in 2019 wrote Revenge of the She-Punks, A Feminist Music History from Poly Styrene to Pussy Riot; and now a new album Next Is Now

I kinda like it (true to her postpunk and dub roots )

curmudgeon, Saturday, 7 August 2021 21:14 (four years ago)


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