Mark Prindle: Classic or Dud?

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I've enjoyed his reviews for a while and I can actually sort of understand his taste. Despite (or because of?) the totally juvenile humour I've kept reading so I'm going to say classic.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

See if this link works better.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark Prindle has a very limited taste in music, he wastes time on bollocks like REM and Metallica and slags off anything with the merest hint of electronics (He doesn't "get" The Fall's "Telephone Thing", the rockist fool!). And his sense of humour drives me up the fucking wall. I wouldn't like to listen to those self produced tapes of his own music - the reviews of them from his own site sound like your worst tossy frat boy nightmare.

Chris Lyons, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I admire him, at least for his consistancy.

Jeff, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He's been doing the "reviews + reader comments" thing for 6 or 7 years, some of the first interactive music criticism online, and I enjoy the feel of his page. Look hard enough and you'll see a few embarrassing comments by yours truly, some from five years ago or more. I like plenty of classic rock, but mostly I just find his writing entertaining, juvenile and offensive as it can be. He's an original.

His Miles Davis page is great -- he hates all the classic albums and gives You're Under Arrest the highest rating! He justifies it by saying he doesn't like jazz. It's kind of Chuck Eddy-esque, in a weird way.

Mark, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he's the only rock critic i like.

duane, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dud. I don't believe that his reviews accurately reflect his true opinions, and they're not really very entertaining. They are therefore utterly useless.

J, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Check the new questions page. I just posted a thread about a different amateur music review site. If you really want to have something to bicker about, try _THIS_

Lord Custos, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Alex Temple (06.06.2001)

On Superstition #1: I disagree here. I agree that, with the possible exception of Radiohead, very little of interest has come out of the mainstream after the 60s. However, there are a huge number of underground bands who have done some excellent and stunningly original work since then."

This has 0 bearing on the thread, but since I read it on that page I just want to point out that I have read this exact comment or 5 billion very minor variations of it so many times that I'm convinced that the absolute worst thing the internet has done is convince nearly every muthafucka in the first world to think, "If I own a Radiohead album, I'm certified to kick musical knowledge". Good Jesus, flame on.

Ramosi, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Mark Prindle's writing, I like it how he talks about having OCD, etc., plus I think he's funny, I'm not saying he has good taste.

maryann, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Prindle's schtick gets old kind of fast, but I've always been fond of his writing anyway. Maybe because I came to it from Wilson and Alroy's site, which is stiflingly pedantic and humorless (except for some of their jibes about bands they don't like, like Springsteen - "If he's the Boss, just call us the disgruntled employees"), and Prindle's the-hell-with-coherence attitude was pretty refreshing. On the other hand, I haven't enjoyed his recent reviews all that much. Just seems like he's trying too hard. Also, much like Kerouac/Thompson/Tolkien imitators, Prindle's disciples are mostly unreadable.

I think the best of the online reviewers is Brian Burks, though he's pretty much defunct these days.

Justyn Dillingham, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no one called mark is any good at anything

mark s, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a little biased on the subject of Prindle since I kinda maintain his site, but I won't argue with any comments about the quality of his writing since that is, after all, opinion. I just want to reply to the guy who said that his reviews don't accurately reflect his true opinions -- I'm in contact with Mark a lot and let me say that this is totally not true. Believe it or not he -does- make it his aim to let his reviews convey his actual thoughts on the quality of an album. He just puts in all of the random jokes and stuff as an afterthought.

Rich Bunnell, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, I still don't buy it. His reviews are so scattershot and inconsistent that they seem silly. Most notably, I don't believe *for a second* that he has actually listened to "Trout Mask Replica" more than once, even though he awarded it a ten. I'm a Beefheart fanatic, and his reviews of Beefheart records come across as written by someone who has read other reviews of Beefheart, not as someone who has actually listened to the music and developed an opinion on it. Come to think of it, *most* of his reviews that I've read come across as written by someone who has read other reviews and developed opinions based on them, rather than by actually listening to the music.

Obviously, I've never met the guy, have no idea how he works, and am merely spouting suspicions based solely upon my readings of his website. But his shit just comes off as untrustworthy to me, and that makes him megadud in my book.

J, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He listened to "Trout Mask Replica" about six or seven times before he reviewed it, to my understanding. Again, if you don't like his review of it, no problem, but he really does care about the music he listens to.

Rich Bunnell, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic or dud? Classic! This guy writes good reviews AND he's hilarious. If you don't have a sense of humor try something else.

m.c., Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark may look a bit inconsistent because his throw-away comments from long ago are based in contemporary goings-on in his life. Also, Prindle bashers should know that he was on a hiatus for about a year and only started up again last February. I think he was more analytical before the hiatus, but he still throws in a good insight or two every now and then. It's not just "this song is great, that song sucks, here's a poop joke". He really does discuss the music. Occasionally.

Andrew Rennard, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And who among us doesn't love a good poop joke?
I think of Mark Prindle as a mutant mixture of Chuck Eddy and Miami Herald Columnist Dave Barry.

Lord Custos, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Rich -

Does Mark still hate the Velvet Underground THAT much?

Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone who hates jazz, loves their girlfriend and claims to have OCD is a great writer in my book

maryann, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone who hates jazz, loves their girlfriend and claims to have OCD is a great writer in my book.

True, Mark's OCD does make for some pretty amusing anecdotes....though it does get old sometimes....still, it's a routine....a decent routine....sure beats washing your hands, washing your hands, pulling a hair, eating the root, pulling a hair, eating the root, locking the door, washing your hands, lockign the door, pulling a hair, BOOMSHAKALAK YA BALD NOW

Ramosi, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Prindle's review of some MDC album (I forget which; review features lots of "vagina" talk + Johnny Cougar) = funniest I've read. Evah! Yay!

AP, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for the link Sundar - some of the best/most amusing music writing I've read on the interweb. He pisses all over that po-faced geezer who bangs on abt Marillion, Tori Amos etc etc

Andrew L, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

J, you ignorant snob, why can't you believe that Mark hasn't listened to "Trout Mask Replica" 10 times? Are you nuts? It's not a difficult thing to do, especially if you happen to LIKE the record, which he does. What I find hard to believe is that he has climbed Mount Everest 10 times, like he claims to have done in his review of Bob Dylan's "Street Legal" album.

Grack Turkington, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Or rather, why can't you believe that Mark HAS listened to "Trout Mask Replica". I just ruined my poing. I mean, my point.

Grack, Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not saying he has good taste.

rock critics, come on , who gives a shit about their *taste*?

duane, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
Foghat rules but not really I just want to bump this up.

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I like Prindle a lot. Check out this gem on Morrison Hotel:

"I agree that there are quite a few handy-dandies on here (especially the buzzy guitar rockers "Peace Frog" and "Land Ho,"), but what I don't hear is that unique Doors style I've grown to love. This record is many things - raw, fun, bluesy, varied - but it's not circusy, it's not weird, and poop it, it's not idiosyncratic! Any band could have made this album! Well, any band with a godlike singer."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

really loving the "MICRO-REVIEWS OF HIP NEW BANDS THAT THE KIDS DIG" series that he has going right now.

sleeve, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 06:25 (sixteen years ago)

Yellow Swans - Industrial noise, pulsebeat and feedback. If this is music, then my dick's a blueberry.

sleeve, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 06:26 (sixteen years ago)

mark is a treasure.

'The Smiths sprouted out of Manchester, England in the early '80s with an agenda of red-hot hate, fury-stoked fascism and undying contempt for the remnants of the "Peace and Love Generation." A violent reactionary right-wing Oi! band with obvious connections to the National Front, this four-piece of bile (screamer Steven Morrissey, thrasher John Marr, bass pummeller Andy Rourke and blastbeat supremo Mike "Himmler's Hammer" Joyce) knew that its entire "final solution" agenda would be doomed from the start if they couldn't find a more erudite way of couching such horrific (to the comfortable bourgeois masses) slogans as "I wear black on the outside because I hate all blacks on the inside" and "I am human and I need to be loved/That's what all the Jews say." The answer: target America's teenage girl and closeted homosexual population. The rest is "Naz-istory"! '

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 08:19 (sixteen years ago)

That "hip new bands the kids dig" page is classic! Just trawled through the lot. I agree with him on very little but he's always entertaining. And thorough, my god.

Chris in Belfast, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 10:41 (sixteen years ago)

by coincidence i was reading through his Fall reviews last night (he is one of the all-time great Fall reviewers) and there's one (of a fairly insignificant live recording) where he launches into about 10 pages' worth of movie criticism

what a man

actually i knew about him (and the WRC) long before i knew about ILX...i just wish he reviewed more British stuff lolz

a steak of romanticism (country matters), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:16 (sixteen years ago)

Ariel Pink: Like Todd Rundgren recorded in an airplane hangar.

The magic of OTM-ness

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:56 (sixteen years ago)

I'm glad to see he got his Wikipedia page back. That was a travesty!

dlp9001, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 17:33 (sixteen years ago)

Stone classic - he hates Neutral Milk Hotel almost as much as I do!

Miles Davis Kinda Blew (Rombald), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 22:01 (sixteen years ago)

Mark Prindle's record is pretty terrible but it has an intro by Neil Hamburger (!)

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 22:05 (sixteen years ago)

Mark Prindle's site was pretty much a blog before blogs existed. His Miles Davis page is one of the greatest things ever, and the tons of reader comments slagging him off make it even better. It should be in some kind of Internet museum.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 22:07 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

This guy is amazing.

Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Saturday, 6 June 2009 03:50 (sixteen years ago)

otm. finding mark's site when i was a teenager hepped me to a ton of cool shit and while his taste is very defined, he's really openminded within its boundaries. and most of the time he's funny as fuck.

pretzel walrus, Saturday, 6 June 2009 06:28 (sixteen years ago)

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO great. just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he isn't the most entertaining writer around. he is also very clear and simple about why he does or does not like what it is that he listens to. he is the opposite of pretentious.

Hinklepicker, Saturday, 6 June 2009 06:59 (sixteen years ago)

those miles davis reviews are funny as hell.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 6 June 2009 07:28 (sixteen years ago)

My tastes only intersect with Prindle's on a few of the usual post-punk suspects, but I have a soft spot for him given that, when I first discovered his site over a decade ago (I haven't revisited it since), his ranking of albums by the likes of SY, Wire, the Fall etc coincided exactly with mine. I know of no other popular critic / blog that credits Killing Joke's Fire Dances as the superb concept suite it is. I'm slightly saddened that he's got some allergy to electro (et cetera), this must be a dismal decade for him...

Derelict, Saturday, 6 June 2009 08:04 (sixteen years ago)

His video review are awesome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biMXC2dWhcg

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 6 June 2009 15:30 (sixteen years ago)

Prindle was one of the oldest review sites I ever read, its how I discovered the Pixies when i was a teenager!

I bought Chicago XX and Jurassic Park The Album CDs from his band Low Maintenance Perennials and they were a lot of fun too!

Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 6 June 2009 16:01 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Holy shit, how much of this is real? Genuinely kinda concerned for the guy is this is for real. This all comes from his latest batch of reviews, specifically the Killing Joke EP:

"Look, I'm no fool. I know there are certain things that shouldn't be posted online. The problem is that I post them anyway. Perfect example:

I've been going through a strange period, as you may know from my recent reviews and Facebook updates. My wife up and left me after 15 1/2 years together, and I've been dealing with it by hanging out with friends, going to karaoke twice a week, trying to meet new people, and drinking way too much. I'm not going to name names, but one of those four activities needs to go.

I'm not an alcoholic, understand. I only drink a couple nights a week, and never drink alone. I don't even keep any alcohol in the house. It's just that when I do drink, I drink WAY too much. No beer, no wine, just double-shot after double-shot after double-shot of vodka. So I hope that helps to explain what I did last night, and why I'm posting it here as a reminder to myself and a warning to you.

What happened is this: I was tanked at karaoke as usual, having a good old time chatting up the LAYDEEZ, dancing like a fool and singing such hits of the day as "I Can See For Miles" and "Punk Rock Girl." Things were swell and everything was just nifty. But then around 3:30 AM, two minor things happened that sent my sloshed mood into a complete tailspin. The first is that the karaoke woman snipped at me so I thought I'd done something to piss her off. The second is that the karaoke man asked me to go home, so I thought I'd done something to piss him off. As it turns out, she was pissed at him (not me), and he saw me falling asleep and didn't want me to get thrown out. But I didn't know that until today.

So I left the club, got in a cab, got home, posted on Facebook that I was about to commit suicide, opened my front door wide so my body would be found, ran the hot water in the tub, got in with a knife, tried to slice the veins in my arms open, failed because the knife was dull as dirt, posted on Facebook that I'd tried but the knife was too dull, heard the door buzzer buzz, checked it out to discover that somebody on Facebook had called 911, let the police and ambulance people in, got some clothes on, followed them out to the ambulance, and was held in a psych ward for eight hours.

So now let me tell you about what happened last night. First of all, I MISSED A NOTE in "I Can See For Miles," then I b

My point is this: I don't want to die. I didn't even want to die last night. I was simply out of control because I was so drunk. If that knife had been adequately sharp, I might be dead now -- not because I'm legitimately suicidal (I'm not! I promise! I'm feeling pretty good!), but simply because I was too drunk to realize what I was doing. I absolutely have to take this experience as a Hard Stop Warning that if I continue to deal with my grief by binge drinking twice a week, I'm going to wind up in jail, dead or worse. (an undead zombie)

So let this be a warning to you all: if you're going to kill yourself, don't post it on Facebook. It makes you look like an asshole."

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago)

ouch

bug holocaust (sleeve), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago)

Yikes!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago)

I've been a fan of Mark's for over ten years now, and this is very very upsetting. I really hope he turns his life around.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago)

Mark is great. Hope things work out for him.

mittens, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 02:17 (fourteen years ago)

I'm friends with Mark on facebook, and he's seriously going through some mid-life crisis shit at the moment. Luckily he has a pretty substantial group of sympathetic fans.

milo, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago)

I hope the dude is OK as I have gotten some laughs from his site and found a couple of records from his page.

The interviews are really the gold on his page. Added up, there is a pretty good overview of an era of american punk/indie rock people on there, just from the interviews, which are really off the cuff stuff.

earlnash, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 03:21 (fourteen years ago)

:/

one of my favourite reviewers, dude's got my backing

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 04:00 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, I've been following him forever, he's brilliant. Unfortunately, he seems to be one of those critics that has inspired a legion of writers that try really hard to write like he does but end up flailing.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

absolutely agreed; there were a ton of prindle-like sites that popped up in the early-00's that were just terrible.

prindle is still king - but honestly the hatemail he posts is usually better than the actual reviews

frogbs, Thursday, 3 March 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

How long has his site been down? Just noticed it today.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 March 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)

Never mind, must have just been a temp thing.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 March 2011 02:29 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Mark Prindle is now a dad!! I can't help but smile at the news; I've never met him but I did have him on FB around the time when the above was posted and got fairly depressed upon realizing that all the drunken, dark, bizarre stories on his website that I thought he was making up for comic effect were actually true. Best of luck, dude

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago)

yes very happy to see he's turned it around.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago)

Also I recall him having written several times about how he didn't want to have children so this is also kind of funny

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago)

i had no idea he had retired his site. that sucks; i loved that site.

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago)

three years pass...

Really wish Mark would consider doing some new writing.

Austin, Friday, 8 April 2016 19:14 (nine years ago)


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