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No Byrds, Beatles, Stones, Who, Kinks, V.U., Beach Boys, Beefheart, Dylan (I know, Dylan isn't a band, but you guys are tricky), Pink Floyd, Zombies (this last one cuz i feel like being cruel and i knew at least 50 ILMers would pick them) allowed. Um, I guess that's it. I left tons of classicness to choose from, but I wanted to make it a little harder to come up with 10 by taking away some of those moldy safety blankets. Oh, and no Jimi Hendrix Experience. got that? No:

Beatles
Byrds
Stones
Who
Kinks
V.U.
Beach Boys
Beefheart (I know, he is one guy, but I think of him and his band as indivisible.)
Dylan
Pink Floyd
Zombies
Jimi Hendrix Experience

I think it will make for more interesting lists. Humor me, I am old and frail. I haven't even come up with ten myself yet. So far, I've got Paul Revere & The Raiders, Mandrake Memorial, Pretty Things, Wimple Winch, CCR...hmmm, Sonics? Probably the Yardbirds. I will think about it some more.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Blues Magoos
Electric Prunes
Love
Pretty Things
Shadows of the Knight
The Action
The Creation
The Seeds
Thirteenth Floor Elevators
Yardbirds

That grabs most of the big ones. No Small Faces cuz I don't dig em that much and no non-American acts cuz I can't remember them without looking at my CDs (although the Outsiders and Os Mutantes would definitely get serious consideration.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

fairport convention
the band
family stone
flying burrito bros
creedence
pentangle
traffic
dillard and clark
funk brothers
nitty gritty dirt band
jbs

― Masked Gazza, Monday, 1 August 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

shit, i forgot to strike Love from the list. okay, you got one ILM-stalwart freebie.

Having said that, Alex, your list is choice. And yeah, Roky & the gang, okay, my list is shaping up.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Jefferson Airplane
Quicksilver Messenger Service
Buffalo Springfield
The Band
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Credence Clearwater Revival
The Fugs
Spencer Davis Group
Tommy James and the Shondells
Steppenwolf

This is hard?

― Vornado, Monday, 1 August 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

did i get it wrong?

― Masked Gazza, Monday, 1 August 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

definite 60's classics:

united states of america
family
sergio mendes and brasil '66
the monkees
the 5th dimension
os mutantes
the pentangle
the soft machine
the free design
spirit

some 60s solo performers:

antonio carlos jobim
tod dosckstader
tim buckley
donovan
margo guryan
caetano veloso
van morrison
harry nillson

― phil turnbull (philT), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

I guess Motown/Soul is off the radar then? In which case

Loving Spoonfull
CCR
Fairport Convention
White Noise
Silver Apples
Shadows
The Band
Doors
Moody Blues
Yardbirds

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah Fairport is a good choice. I forgot about them.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

"This is hard?"

no, shouldn't be. i just have to many faves.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

It would be much harder if I was at home and looking at great bands who only had one big album, but it's easy when you are sitting at work and just remember bands that released tons of good stuff.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Blue Cheer
MC5
Os Mutantes
West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band
Soft Machine
13th Floor Elevators
Yardbirds
The Hollies
The Ventures
The Monks

You might as well also exclude the Dead, Airplane, Mothers, etc.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

BTW if Love is elimated, the Music Machine or the Chocolate Watch Band would make good substitutions.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Oh shit I totally forgot the WCPAEB!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i was gonna put a ban on san francisco in general, but i didn't want to be too big of a nazi.

i like phil's broad definition of "rock group". i wouldn't have thought of the free design or sergio mendes or the 5th dimension. i'm all for it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

CCR
Pretty Things
The Sonics
Love
The Monkees
The Jeff Beck Group
The Small Faces
The Yardbirds
MC5
The Grateful Dead

off the top of my head and i'm sure i'm forgetting some great groups.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Incredible String Band
Music Machine
Seeds
Tyrannosaurus Rex
Thirteenth Floor Elevators
Outsiders (Dutch)
Yardbirds
os Mutantes
Sonics
Tommy James and the Shondells

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

small faces
the godz
creem
the seeds
herman's hermits
buffalo springfield
led zeppelin
downliners sect
hp lovecraft
the count five

― coral/coral/coral, Monday, 1 August 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

I forgot Tomorrow as well. Damn I not doing well.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

shocking blue
13th floor elevators
monks
stooges
led zeppelin
animals
butterfield blues band
sonics
blue cheer
sly and the family stone

― gear (gear), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

do led zep "count" as 60s?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Creedence Clearwater Revival
the Hollies
the Beau Brummels
the Small Faces
Sly & the Family Stone
the Pretty Things
the Creation
Dr. John the Night Tripper
13th Floor Elevators
the Electric Prunes
Tomorrow
the Soft Machine
the Association

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 1 August 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

oops scratch Sonics from my list and put on Sly and the Family Stone (damn that's dumb I forgot cuz they would make my list even if all the ones on top WERE allowed)....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 1 August 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Yea, Sly and the Family Stone on my list, too.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 1 August 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Love
CCR
MC5
The Stooges
Sly & the Family Stone
The Band
Flying Burrito Bothers
Os Mutantes
Jefferson Airplane
Cream

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 1 August 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

CCR
MC5
Love
Cream
The Band
The Stooges
Os Mutantes
Jefferson Airplane
Flying Burrito Bothers
Sly & the Family Stone

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 1 August 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

moby grape
13th floor elevators
chocolate watchband
everly brothers
rotary connection
the turtles
millennium
free design
manfred mann
buffalo springfield

― jared^^, Monday, 1 August 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Jefferson Airplane
Monkees
Turtles
Sly & the Family Stone
Orpheus
Grass Roots
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Electric Flag
Procol Harum
Frankie Valli & the Four Seasons

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 1 August 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

The Band
CCR
Sly & the Family Stone
Stooges
Flying Burrito Bros.
Animals
Buffalo Springfield
Traffic
Love
Manfred Mann

― Adam Harrison-Friday, Monday, 1 August 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Fleetwood Mac
King Crimson
Buffalo Springfield
CCR
Monkees
Stooges
Mothers of Invention
The Band
Cream
Blind Faith

― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Monday, 1 August 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

jesus I forgot THE BAND TOO! my list sux

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 1 August 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Nazz
Yardbirds
Love
Hollies
Paul Revere and the Raiders
Buffalo Springfield
Pretty Things
Deep Purple
Monkees
Bee Gees

― rocco, Monday, 1 August 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

Moby Grape
Love
Marmalade
Small Faces
Flying Burrito Brothers
Yardbirds
Flamin Groovies (first album '69 and playin' before that)
Band
Foundations ('cause my friend Dave Duncan made me such a killing one-disc comp of these guys recently, and I love it all)
The Move

and the Foundations is kind of a ringer, in that I don't think they're really essential or nothing, but I sure enjoy them a lot. The others I think are all pretty essential, great, etc. Given that the Byrds and the others ain't allowed.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I very nearly had the Marmalade in there, but switched them out at the last minute 'cuz I realized my favorite tracks from them are from '70 on.

And I just don't get Moby Grape, try though I have.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Woah...Marmalade are actually a good band? Total revelation for me.

― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

(A coupla further self-imposed rules to make it easier: A minimum of TWO pre-'70 releases is required to qualify. So no Stooges, no Yes, etc. And no Led Zep 'cause they were so quintessentially '70s. Matt & I were apparently on the same wavelength regarding that.)

Love
Nazz
Mothers Of Invention
Sly & The Family Stone
Kaleidoscope
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Silver Apples
Bob Seger & The Last Heard/The Bob Seger System
Big Brother & The Holding Company
~~Buffalo Springfield~~ Blue Cheer

(That's the AMERICAN Kaleidoscope, btw, making my list 100% born-in-the-USA. Where's all the great UK bands? Up there at the top of the thread, of course!)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah, The Marmalade were good. "Station on Third Avenue" is as good a single from the era as I know. Their '70s stuff is lame--at least that's my take. OK, "Reflections of My Life" is '70s and that's a good single.

for me, Joseph, Moby Grape's first album is as canonical, if I can use that ugly word--as essential, OK, to my particular pop aesthetic which is hardly universal--as Big Star, and there are times I think they were actually better. As a live band, from what I've heard on bootlegs and such, they were better. Anyway, give "Hey Grandma" and "Indifference" and "Omaha" another listen...

Didn't the Flamin Groovies do one other '60s thing before "Snazz," the "Supersneakers" EP or whatever it was?

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

the attack
jason crest
kaleidoscope uk
fire
wimple winch
silver apples
feminine complex
pretty things
fairport
les fleur de lys

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

Guess no-one else likes Traffic huh?

― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

Otis Redding and the MGs
The Impressions
Smokey Robinson and the Miracles
The Four Tops
Them
Nathaniel Meyer and the Fabulous Twilights
The Wailers (Jamaica, not Washington state)
The Band
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Brenda and the Tabulations

― Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

Fairport Convention
The Creation
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Merry-Go-Round
Os Mutantes
Sly & the Family Stone
Dusty Springfield with the Memphis Sound
The Knickerbockers
James Brown and the Famous Flames (and band)
The Nihilist Spasm Band

― Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Guess no-one else likes Traffic huh?

The first couple of Traffic albums are cool but nowhere near making my POX.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

And if I could do a second-tier of ten, they'd go like this:

11. Marmalade
12. The Mamas and the Papas
13. The Association
14. The 5th Dimension
15. Free Design
16. Love
17. Spanky & Our Gang
18. Left Banke
19. The Cowsills
20. The Zombies

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

gonna add Creedence Zappa Sly Stooges MC5 Led Zep to the canonical exclusions (and cause they bleed into the next decade) also leaving off 5th Dimension and Mamas & Papas due to the "rock band clause.

still, superb picks so far all around!

Hollies
Quicksilver Messenger Service
Small Faces
Love
Moby Grape
The Move
Yardbirds
Creem
Fleetwood Mac
Big Brother & The Holding Company

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

the sonics
the monks
the shangri-las
sly and the family stone
the stooges
led zeppelin
ccr
the creation
os mutantes
the ronettes

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

The frontrunners so far, with at least three mentions apiece:

14 - CCR
12 - Love
10 - Sly & the Family Stone
9 - Yardbirds
- The Band
7 - Buffalo Springfield
- Os Mutantes
6 - 13th Floor Elevators
- Pretty Things
- Stooges
- Monkees
5 - Small Faces
- Flying Burrito Bros.
- Cream
4 - Sonics
- MC5
- Hollies
- Fairport Convention
- Jefferson Airplane
3 - Blue Cheer
- Silver Apples
- Seeds
- Monks
- Moby Grape
- Led Zeppelin

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Spirit
Tomorrow
The Misunderstood
The Monkees
The Nice
Kaleidoscope (US version)
Soft Machine
Cream
High Tide
Quicksilver Messenger Service

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

Wot, no Troggs?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

Now come on folks!

Incredible String Band!!!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Nobody else has mentioned The Misunderstood!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

the band totally should be one of the top vote getters....i forgot them on my list...but man what a great band.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Jefferson Airplane
Pretty Things
Stooges
Fairport Convention
13th Floor Elevators
Big Brother & the Holding Company
Kaleidoscope (US)
Soft Machine
Grateful Dead
Spirit

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Now come on folks!

Incredible String Band!!!

How are they a rock band?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

They're not really a folk band either

― Danperryismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Ways in which ISB are a folk band:
- They performed traditional songs
- wrote original songs that sound like traditional folk music
- they performed with acoustic instruments (exclusively?)
- incorporated elements of traditional music and instrumentation from India, UK, the Middle East, etc.

Ways in which ISB are a rock band:

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Repeat as necessary for half of the other artists mentioned in this thread.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

They performed traditional songs - hardly ever in fact
wrote original songs that sound like traditional folk music - again, I would say, hardly ever
they performed with acoustic instruments (exclusively?) - all of their albums after 1968 have some electric instrumentation, in fact even "Wee Tam and the Big Huge" has bass guitar on it
incorporated elements of traditional music and instrumentation from India, UK, the Middle East, etc. - so?

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Yea, I think they fit under the expansive definition of "rock" from the period. They are mentioned in The Aesthetics of Rock and in Lillian Roxon's book, Walter!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I also put Tyrannossaurus Rex on my list and you cannot make me take them off.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Not all "rock" bands rock!

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

International Harvester (all 10 of my slots)

― Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Whatever. I just think it's funny that Scott started a thread trying to create some kind of tight restrictions or something and people get around it by nominating every psychedelic folk duo and baroque pop act they can think of.

I'd like to amend my list to include Miles Davis' band circa Bitches Brew, the Sun Ra Arkestra, Ravi Shankar, James Brown and the Everly Bros. Thanks.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

I FORGOT THE EVERLY BROTHERS!!!

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

I can't think of ten but the first that came to mind for me were the Stooges. Also were the New York Dolls around in the 60s?

― Nick H (Nick H), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I love the Everlys--their WB '60s music is great. And I don't wanna quibble but were they a "band," and not two singers using the cream of LA session guys during this period? Since we're talking bands here...opinions?

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that was my point and why I didn't include them in my original list.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Well Creedence had one of the greatest single runs of singles and albums this side of the Beatles or Stones..........so, them.

And the Everlies for "Cathy's Clown."

And Tim Buckley.

And the Monkees.

― PB, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Bee Gees
Beau Brummels
Buck Owens & the Buckaroos
Buffalo Springfield
Band
Burritos
Brothers, Walker
Shangri-Las
The Move
Small Faces

― Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

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