The drum and bass/ happy hardcore split of yore

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Every junglist and or/ gurning hardcore music enthusiast knows of the legendary split, 'round '92/'93 when the happy breakbeat styles morphed into Dutch influenced methanphetamine fueled kickdrum happy hardcore and the moodier, darker biz' morphed into jungle.

What if this split occured more slowly? Would we be left with some odd hybrid of breakbeat and kickdrums?

― Cliff Collins (OnoSendai), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

red alert & mike slammer were sort of on the divide of the two? some of easygrooves sets? the rmx of pennywise.

ive often wondered about the 93 releases on Lime's record label, Awesome.

what about mole the dipper, that sort of counts maybe.

oh, you know what, that force & evolution record, Lost It. that fits what you are talking about perfectly i think

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Awesome is a great label and definitely a lot of stuff on that label around 93-94 bridges this gap.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

enforcer - dam tuff!

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

The first two Happy Hardcore compilations on Jumpin' & Pumpin', particularly the first, are right on that fault line.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Ray Keith's remix of Shades Of Rhythm's 'Sweet Sensation' springs to mind. Doc Scott's 'NHS' and Nookie's 4/4+breaks stuff. Bass Selective 'Blowout' part 3 maybe.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

when the happy breakbeat styles morphed into Dutch influenced methanphetamine fueled kickdrum happy hardcore and the moodier, darker biz' morphed into jungle

this formulation is not entirely correct, is it? your use of the qualifier "happy breakbeat styles" is interesting. are you using "happy breakbeat styles" to refer to breakbeat house circa 91 in general, or are you distinguishing already the more manic end of the genre from the tuffer breakbeat producers?

cause not all of the moodier, darker parts turned into early jungle. some if it cruised down the dutch-influenced hardcore road to form a gabba complement to darkcore jungle - complete with breaks.

and so on ...

(or am i missing the point, somewhat?)

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...

It wasn't Dutch fuelled anything - it was Scottish/Dutch fuelled. The Scots sound was the dominant sound in the mid-1990s.

To answer your question... yes, there was a odd hybrid of breakbeat and kickdrums - lots of it. Please check the English labels from that time in 1995/96. Do not follow the mass media junk on compilations as that follows the commerical crap.

― Scotchman, Monday, 29 May 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Dutch-Scottish influences went both ways - remember, Hardcore DJs like Praga Khan and Paul Elstak were playing tons of raves in Scotland. Scottish producers were already expanding on the elements of UK Rave that were increasingly deemed too "cheesy" in the south, the pianos, helium vocals, etc - their "Bouncy Techno" sound. The big element that the Dutch added to the mix (and what cemented the final break with the UK Hardcore-turned-Jungle) was the overdriven 909 kick. In return, the Dutch producers took the pianos and the breakbeats back home as they got bored of only doing all-out nosebleed Hardcore, and the rest is history - Elstak, Party Animals, Lownoise, Critical Mass, etc took Happy Hardcore worldwide.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

There's lots of hardcore being released at the moment that my mate's really into that juggles kick drums and breakbeats.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

revive!

― boom! i fucked your hard-drive (don), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

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