Who Are The Worst Pop Journalists?

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Came home last night and heard Miranda Sawyer talking about Madonna on the radio. It may not be a fair way to judge - her words were edited, etc - but I was struck by how ineloquent and unilluminating Sawyer was in doing something (talking about Madonna) that ought to be her speciality, the one thing she can do better than most. 'Why, the pinefox', I wondered to myself, 'does Miranda Sawyer have the high-profile job she does, when she's not very good at it?'

And this got me thinking that the FT community might like to nominate or discusss such figures - pop journalists who have got a status, visibility, influence, etc, way beyond what we can dream of, but without any very evident justification.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Who did Caroline Sullivan write for? She appeared to know nothing whatsoever about music.

Nigel Williamson (Uncut mainly) can be embarrassing - his Shelby Lynne articles and reviews were especially fawning - but I get the feeling his heart is in the right place.

Charles Shaar Murray is someone I've always felt is fairly dismal - clearly living in the past.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm glad that someone's mentioned Caroline Sullivan. It saves me doing it.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Good one Pinedude! I detest Anthony DeCurtis, the man who became sort of famous because he dissed Lester Bangs (badly I might add, won't waste any more words, on rockcritics.com you'll find a very eloquent retort). Also what's the deal with Richard Meltzer? Oh and Christgau is also not very interesting. I'm still on the fence on Chuck Eddy (enter Ned within 6.34 minutes with a good defence on Chuck ;)

Omar, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Most of them.

jel, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

greil marcus must die. preferably at chuck eddy's hands.

sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I really don't like pitchforkmedia.com at all. They seem like people who really love music who are dying to have their say and,therefore, they stick too much personal rhetoric in their reviews. Also, they don't have the same taste as me and seem entirely obsessed with supergroup semi-indie bands.

Music that was crafted to be popular, similar to Aerosmith's constant releasing of the same monster ballad song under a different title, bores me. Radiohead bores me. Smashing Pumpkins bore me. Pearl Jam bores me (well, I kinda liked that "wish I was a christmas tree" song for some reason). Bands (or should I call them "productions"? Or possibly "brands"?) like this are so polished and calculated, whatever spark of sincerity the songs might have started out with are ironed out like wrinkles. I hear more of interest in certain midi files.

, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The unfortunate thing is there are loads and loads of bad ones, especially those writing for the mainstream media (newspapers, etc). No matter how much passion they claim to have for music, the words on the page are so middle of the road and lifeless: I can't even pick one out for special mention, because nothing is memorable about them. Here's some particularly bad ones from the music press:

Dave Marsh always gets on my nerves with his Bruce Springsteen worship and ranting. Far too obsessed with meat and potatoes American rock and music being authentic. Take a chill pill, grandad.

Paolo Hewitt is obsessed with the rock and roll mythology of his subjects, and has a pathetic urge to prove to readers how good a friend he is with his subjects (see any of his articles on Oasis, Weller, etc.). And of course, anyone who has ever called themselves the Cappucino Kid (even in jest) deserves to be dragged through the streets.

Gerry Thackray/the Legend!/Everett True: No matter what name he goes by, his writing is and has always been uniformly awful. His single- minded obsession with old school indie schmindie c86 stuff was sad enough, but his writing got *even worse* when he "discovered" grunge and started pretending to be American. A particularly sad artefact pretending to be relevant in his current writing.

The entire staff of the Melody Maker, late 90's - 2001: No kids, the Offspring and Limp Bizkit were not "the coolest thing ever, duuudes!". Whether they sincerely believed the sychophantic nonsense they were writing about boring rock bands or whether it was a cynical attempt to pander to The Kids, the fact remains that it was worst rock writing EVER. Dumb and patronizing, without even the slightest clue about coming up with original ideas or opinions. Even Kerrang came off as witty and acerbic in comparison (especially since they were covering the same bands). Melody Maker coming to an end is not enough: these writers need to come up before some kind of writing crimes tribunal.

I might add more later...

Nicole, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Just for the record to be straight, the name of Steven Wells must appear on this thread at some point. So there it is.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

There are three kinds, really. There are the ones whose aesthetics and agendas you just totally go against. There are the ones who are lazy and stale. And there are the ones who seem totally incapable of writing well. (There are also ones who are unprofessional or unethical etc. etc. but I dont really know anything about that side of things)

Very few journos annoy me. But to pick one in each category:

Tom Cox - The last 20 years of music are worthless; 70s power pop and the Wondermints is where it's at. Like Ian MacDonald minus brains, insight, taste and excuses. This type of journo is at least fun to dislike.

Steve Sutherland - Want a predictable angle on pop? Uncle Steve will provide.

Nick Duerden - obscure Q journalist and the very definition of 'plodder'.

Tom, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

But pinefox, I don't think the NME hired Steven Wells because they had some notion of him being a great writer: he's there specifically to annoy and irritate readers. I think they just like the idea of having someone who can muster a couple of outraged letters every week. Better than having people notice how dull most of the rest of it is.

Nicole, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

1. 1980s / 1990s - Steven Wells. I remember his risible "New Order are fascists" angle, which would have been all unremarkable reader- baiting sturm und drang as described above were it not for the fact that he had cheerfully opened for them in the early 80s as his previous incarnation, gay poet "seething wells".

2. 1970s - Charlie Shaar Murray. Fuck OFF grandad! pube headed public school nonce dresses in black leathers, affects sardonic, knowing grin and keeps whispering to you that Jimi was the best musician of the 20th century. He must die an agonising death.

3. now - Stephen Jelbert. Independent music critic and ex-member of hopeless indie bodgers the Family Cat. His life is virtually a textbook of how to choose the lame option. Plus he has no taste.

Feels good to have got those off my chest! David

Paul Irving, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

That may be so. But judged as 'pop journalism', his work is crap: which is why it belongs on this thread.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i'll beat ned to the punch: robert hilburn, l.a. times. another pop music has sucked for the last thirty years guy. it's been a long time since he "got" new music, that is if he ever did.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'd like to vote for Pat Kane of turgid po-faced Scots funk hellspawn 'Hue and Cry' worst pop + worst journalist = worst pop journalist. Easy!

dave bowman, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Ian McDonald--always dependable to suck the life and joy out of music with his muso rubbish.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Bizarre -- I'm cited twice regarding Chuck Eddy and Robert Hilburn without having said anything yet! My reputation precedes me. ;-)

Well, aside from that smug fool who writes for the AMG and pretends to know everything about anything -- "Neg Rasbett," I think the name is -- I would have to say that the world could function quite well without a local critic of note here in Orange County, Rich Kane. To his credit, he keeps an eye out for local bands at least trying to do something -- to his spectacular *non*-credit, if you are trying to do anything that isn't somehow grassroots punk/with the kids, you are a head-in-the-sand go-nowhere idiot. The type of man who rips into anyone exhibiting, say, shoegaze tendencies with the slam about 'how old that stuff is' without reflecting on how reliving 77 to 82 again and again just possibly might be a bit older. I oversimplify, but you can understand my frustration with his writings. Then there's Buddy Seigal, but he doesn't even try -- if it's a form of music created past 1975, it is not worth talking about in his universe, so he's easy enough to ignore.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Tom, I agree Tom Cox is the worst writer. Every Friday in The Guardian in the late 90s I disagreed with nearly all his choices and analysis, his writing style was bloated, long winded and boring and what he wrote about was dull and uninspiring. Tom Cox is a dud, and his features got so much column inches, who hired this plank in the first placed?

I also agree with Nicole, MM when it turned into a colour A4 mag, was a hideous magazine, full of writers that had no idea about creative music. Indeed some of the most challenging releases scored 1 out of 5, whilst the music they championed was boring, safe and conformist scored over 4. There was no purpose to the magazine, no direction, no quality control, no effort in highlighting interesting music that an informed writer believed in that you follow from week to week.

One of the mistakes that both MM and NME is still making, is that they are not making enough effort to give writers space to promote, enthuse and build up their own perspectives on music. Instead we have isolated reviews, there is little to latch on to particular writer. I cant think of any current NME writer that I believe in, I noticed that Keith Cameron has defected to rival publishers EMAP at Mojo. He was probably fed up with NME.

The only way for NME to recover its sliding readership is to get rid of rigid, and uninspiring and stiffling approach to music, journalists and its readers. Loosen up and allow writers to have the space to communicate and connect. At the moment the NME both online and in print - is stiff, false, inpersonal and forced. It is a written as a collective whole brand, we very rarely get behind the thoughts of individual writers, what music are they particularly looking forward? and join- the-dots analytical overview pieces like Simon Reynolds did so well in the Melody Maker.

Who Are The Worst Pop Journalists? turns into the ethos as a whole maybe it is editorial policies and stiffling approach to individual writers - that turns NME journalists into identikit and useless dummies?

I hated Mark Sutherland, the last editor of MM in particular his naff simplistic editorials that each week got worse and daft believe that Oasis were the most relevant band ever. On another messageboard I saw that he has got the editor position at Later, you know that dull lifestyle magazine for 25+ brigade. Later is the grown up brother of lads mag Loaded.

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Bob Guccione, Jr. - Crown Prince of self-serving anti-censorship hysteria. Dismal hair.

Jim DeRogatis - Pompous, dictatorial motherfucker who used his principled exit from Rolling Stone for all the microscopic credibility it was worth.

Dave Marsh - Don't even get me started. Take a gander at the Deee-triot (techno) purism in his rockcritics.com interview for a concentrated dose of his chickenshittiness. The God that failed.

Joe Carducci -- Quasi-racist butterfly collector.

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Damn, Mike. And I thought *I* could turn on the vitriol!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The entirety of the Village Voice, Rolling Stone, and Melody Maker. That keeps it pretty easy to remember.

Ally, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm going to nominate Neil Kulkarni, simply because of the high stupidity quotient in that review linked to in the Smiths thread. Wotta berk. And does anyone know if that 'New Order are fascists' thing is up on the internet anywhere? I'd LOVE to read it.

DG, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

They had a panel on Charlie Rose a while back when the grammy nominations were announced, consisting of Lorraine Ali, Chris Farley (the Time guy, I think), Alan Light (who looks like an eskimo pie), and I think Joe Levy, who seems to have replaced Anthony DeCurtis as VH1s resident talking head. Lorraine Ali stood out in even this nondescript milieu as someone who is completely incapable of articulating whatever passion for music she might have (which if you think about it, is pretty much the only thing critics should be able to do). She just sat there like a dead flower, occasionally mumbling about how D'Angelo should be nominated for something.

Actually, I think the signal to noise ratio in rock/pop writing isn't nearly as bad as it is in other journalisms, meaning it approaches about 1% or so, and the good stuff is getting easier and easier to find. BTW, does anyone know whether Joe Carducci is gay? For some reason I've always just assumed it. The best part of his book was his take on this very subject, incidentally.

Kris, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Dave Marsh has got to be the worst. Such an astonishing wrongheaded view of what is "soulful" and "authentic." Virtually unreadable.

Chalk me up as a Chuck Eddy hater, too. He writes well enough, but I don't like his con man angle. I'll still read him, unlike Marsh, but only to be my blood pumping.

Mark Richardson, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

First off, some critics I don't dislike :

Dave Marsh - his populist prejudice blinds him to a lot of great music, and his failure to get into punk and what came out of it means that his current tastes are an ugly mix of boomer pop (Sting/Henley/Raitt) and gangsta rap. But ! When he sticks to what he likes, he's thoroughly readable and knowledgeable, and he has written about music and politics better than any other critic I can think of, especially in his Rock & Rap Confidential newsletter. He's also written several of the great books : The Book of Rock Lists, The Heart of Rock & Soul, The Rock & Roll Confidential Report...

Greil Marcus - he does have a rather professorial tone at times, but he's far away from being the all-brains-no-soul type he's always being dismissed as - a lot of his writing, especially on Mystery Train and In The Fascist Bathroom is so vivid and better than anyone else at conveying why a song/performance/artist matters so damn much.

Robert Christgau - your mileage may vary according to your tastes, but for mine, no one is so reliable and so on-the-money, and covers so much musical ground, as well as being so knowledgeable. His writing can get pretty convoluted, but I find that I do get something out of trying to catch the references and meanings. I wish he wasn't so fond of hip buzzwords, though.

Chuck Eddy - something of a conman at times, but a great writer, and I love his 10000-puns-and-references-and-unexpected-connections-a-minute style. His persona is great, the nerdy suburban ex-army-officer family man, the furthest thing from rock criticism's usual hipster poses, and I highly approve of how he's constantly mentioning his friends and kids in his writing. I love his insistence that music should be fun and snappy and should adapt to your life and not the other way around.

Charles Shaar Murray - I don't know all that much about him, but I love that book about Jimi Hendrix - there should be more like it, analytical books that make connections and that are readable even when you don't care that much about the artist being discussed.

All right now, the ones I can't stand :

Anthony DeCurtis - not him in particular really, he's not that important, just the sort of dull lifeless Rolling Stone-type hack that he represents.

James Miller - wrote a book called Flowers In The Dustbin, taken seriously by people who should know better, that tries to make the point that no rock music worth a damn has been made since 1977.

the whole Steve Albini/Forced Exposure emotionally-stunted indie bully-boy school of writing, where penis length is measured by how much music you reject and how offensively you do it, making sure to throw as many insults around as humanly possible in the process.

In case there was any doubt that I'm a music geek ;)

Patrick, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Christopher John Farley. Yeah, I've mocked him before. When it comes to a doyen of Time Magazine, middlebrow commonplaces are to expected, but factual errors (like mixing up techno with electro) are still unforgivable with a readership of that size.

Marsh's politics are his greatest gift and his most irritating limitation. His musings on the intersection of the music world and political life is frequently right on, and Marsh was the first writer to make me realize just how unavoidable issues of race and class are when discussing American culture. But he sometimes writes as if the *sole* reason rock music was put on this planet was to legitimize the experiences of the American underclass. (Now, yes, rock music *does* do this, and it's a good thing, too, but it's not the *only* thing rock is good for.) Any music that can't be described in these terms -- art-rock, David Bowie, techno, techno-pop, gawd, he even says some cryptically smug things about contemporary African music in The Heart of Rock & Soul -- he treats with suspicion when he doesn't actively hate it. Or else he has to perform some hilarious contortions to explain why it appeals to him, like when he says hears the Chicago blues in house music piano lines.

It's almost heartbreakingly hopeless for a person to demand that one's personal musical tastes correspond to one's political convictions so dogmatically, y'know?

Other issues. If you've ever had the perverse pleasure of reading his clueless, mind-bogglingly arrogant posts on rec.music.springsteen from a few years back, you'll see that when Marsh shoots from the hip, he has the unfortunate habit of aiming at his dick. Also, quoted from memory, his line about the Smiths, written circa '84: "You can take all those sad cafe ballads, and I'll take [Lionel Richie's] "Penny Lover." Meet you on the corner of the centuries, and we'll see which one has lasted."

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 20 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Mike, that last line is to be treasured forever. Thank you for remembering it.

Nicole, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The obvious answers; Cox, Sullivan and anyone called Sutherland.

Michael, I can see what you mean about Ian MacDonald's "lifelessness", and certainly his endless analyses of the specific chord sequences in Beatles or Nick Drake songs and his lofty disdain for contemporary music can be fucking ennervating. However, he *has* written well about post-1970 music - his Uncut piece on Chic was as good as anything I've read on Rodgers & Edwards, but I'd ultimately put him down as a great writer when sticking to what he knows, but all too often an excruciating one when he takes on what he doesn't know. Not too different from a great many boomers, then.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh, and for DG - as I pointed out in another thread, Kulkarni in fact has a wider range of 60s / 70s reference points, let alone contemporary ones, than any of his erstwhile "enemies" among the indie-kids of MM readership. He can go too far sometimes, but he did a lot to turn me onto hip-hop and he has, at least, never been anything less than passionate and driven. There were far more bigoted and stupid people involved with the UK music press over the last five years than him.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't care, he wrote some really STUPID things. There is nothing I can't stand more than stupidity.

, Wednesday, 21 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Kulkarni's assertion that, if people didn't listen to UK hip-hop, they were racists, is indeed one of the stupidest things ever said in the UK music press. But my point is still that the New Lad hacks have been just as stupid in their own way, and much more consistently and blatantly.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh, absolutely, all that laddist stuff was terrible, but I find it a bit disappointing that one of its more accurate critics happens to be just as silly, just in a different way.

DG, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

It is sad, DG. But I'm sure that, in my more irrational so-liberal-I- end-up-being-illiberal moments, I'd have been as stupid as Neil could sometimes be.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

With all due respect, DG, through (admittedly) exaggerated critical/social exegesis, Kulkarni's piece was blatently set out to show up nit-picking, offensively dull and tedious, Smiths-loving future-hating Tory spods like yourself as the knee-jerk reactionaries they are, I reckon.

And I say good on him. He's one of the good guys.

Izzie, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Future-hating Tory spod" is not how anyone I know would describe me, thank you very much. In fact, the truth is quite the opposite... Besides, I agreed with most of the Kulkarni article, just not his bizarre assumptions about class. And, more to the point, who the hell are you to say such things about me anyway? You don't even know me, and I can't believe you could get such an impression of me from my ILM postings.

DG, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I agree. Outrageous.

the pinefox, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Indeed. Izzie has jumped to a conclusion with less cause and less reason than anyone else I can remember on this group.

Robin Carmody, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Anything to add, Izzie?

DG, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Probably off looking for Duff, Slash and Axl...

No other band has had quite 7-dwarves-ish type names.

Nicole, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I know its no fair to pick on amateurs, but Juzwiak from Pitchfork manages to make a huge misstep in nearly every review he writes. Why do they keep him on? Mark?

(Also, the editor of Salon's books section, which is pop culture if not pop music, anyway I forget her name, but I despise her from start to finish. She's pure knee-jerk hipster reaction.)

Sterling Clover, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one month passes...
I love Miranda Sawyer

But I loathe Kathryn Flett. Don't think she writes about music much tho. Luckily

jefedeljefes, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I was going to say Neil Kulkani too - not just because he has stupid and/or bizarre opinions, but because, as we have seen here with other people doing EXACTLY the same thing, he always responded to criticism of them by REPEATING THEM MUCH MORE LOUDLY. e.g.

"I don't think it is entirely fair to say that people who don't like hip hop are racist, maybe they just don't like it?"

"NAZI!"

Etc etc ... i love swells when he is FUNNY, much much less when he tries to tell THE KIDS to listen to pop music instead of indie - Swells, they already ARE, it is no longer 1985 and you are no longer young.

Similarly Simon Price is a maddeningly smug self-obsessed and deluded old twat - i recently found an old MM with his "review" of the ROMO tour in it, which, after WEEKS of proclaiming how brilliant and relevant it was (and not just a damn sight easier that finding any actual new bands or anything) expressed DISGUST and horror at the fact that no-one actually turned out to see it. "Luckily, the London crowd were far better"... yes Simon.

MJ Hibbett, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I have less than no interest in MJ Hibbert's music, and have no doubt he thinks I'm a bastard too, but I like his web site and I find his mini-feud with Pricey very amusing. Miranda Sawyer is one of the worst people in the world - she can spell and punctuate and all that, but I've lost count of how often I've read her stuff and been left open-mouthed with shock and just how dumb and ignorant it was. Careerist in the worst sense: what she says is not linked to what she thinks, but to what she thinks people will be interested to hear. Kulkarni is cool, not least because he was always the diametric opposite of Miranda Sawyer.

I'll tell you who's really shit, though - Johnny Rogan. Not strictly a journalist, but a shockingly inept writer nonetheless. Much of that Smiths book is toe-curling, and I just read his Wham! biog, which is snide and really, really excruciatingly written. On "Wham! Rap": "Even more irritating was the glee with which the rapper derided his flabbergasted antagonist, whose point of view remained unuttered." Lads throwing water around at The Final concert are variously described as "repugnantly oafish...salivating animals...bestial water-spitting louts..." existing in "the stench- filled sandpit of infantile degeneracy." But if you really want a laugh, read his slim volume on Van Morrison, which ranks alongside Tony Blackburn's autobiography "The Living Legend" as one of the most unintentionally hilarious books ever.

Taylor Parkes, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"the stench-filled sandpit of infantile degeneracy."

I love that! Tom, I don't know if FT is still looking for a catchphrase but if so I think you'd have a winner with that.

I hadn't even thought of Rogan, but looking back now I remember thinking how shockingly poor the Severed Alliance was. A good writer, no, even an average writer could have gotten a lot more out of the material he had. But he drew the most uninteresting conclusions in the most uninteresting way. But it was funny the way he was affronted by Morrissey's views on religion.

Nicole, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

the byrds book rocked. better than yer infantile reviews. and if you look like buffy you are one big saddo.

jimmy olson, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Who is supposed to look like Buffy?

Nicole, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Yeah, who looks like Buffy round here? Who is it? Tell me!

Taylor Parkes, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Actually, that Johnny Rogan quote is brilliant. It certainly beats 'ambassadors of context', which I still think of as amusingly archetypal Maker-ese.

I associate Miranda Sawyer with Select when it was good, with the result that although I can't remember anything she wrote I see this attack on her as an attack on something I like. Bad.

I find it hard to think of music journos I really loathe, though I would be hard-pressed to remember any I particularly like either. Very few of them have writing styles distinctive enough. Back in my hey-day of Melody Maker reading (some vague point in the very early '90s) all the writers merged into each other for me, as with the exception of Everett True (a bad writer) they all seemed to have the same enjoyably pseudy outlook on everything.

Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

actually, having looked up some ET stuff on the web I've decided Everett True is great. No, he still can't write, but there is something great about his Wa-Hey! enthusiasm about whatever he's into. Fannishness is the way forward.

The Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

probably ... everyone hear 'cept for th just cause he can stand the heat while the rest of you retreat back into yer bedsit to brush yer long thinning hair and cry to yer slowdive records.

paul, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

What is Dave Q on about?

N., Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Um, everyone here keeps forgetting the one really obvious answer...
Albert Goldman. An insecure, joyless asshole man who spent his entire career pissing vinegar onto the graves of any musician that the average music-lover had the audacity to like.
If you don't believe me, re-read his character assass--...er...biographies on Elvis or John Lennon. Except for Lennons Anorexia, he hadn't reported anything astute, believable or true since he started. Or if you want to hear him insult the entire idea of music all at once. Hold your nose and read a couple of pages from "Freakshow".

Lord Custos, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Though it's mediocre by his standards, that Reynolds piece *does* capture the mood of the time pretty well in that the 80s pop consensus broke up at that precise moment (Dire Straits' comeback album flopping, Simple Minds fading, the pathetic rap break he alludes to on MJ's "Black Or White"). I've got a feeling the campaign for an "alternative" chart rather than an anything-on-indie- labels chart was more an NME than an MM thing.

Oh, and good call to Stevo on Paul Mathur, who by 1995 had possibly the worst taste on Melody Maker. Sadly I'm too young to remember him being as good as you mention.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sophie Ellis Bextor doesn't look like a hamster. much.

Ronan, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He's already been noted, but I'd be remiss not to mention Robert Hilburn. He writes about a hundred columns a year and manages to mention U2 in about 95 of them. Literally. As a stylist he's a huge nothing. Milks the Grammies and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for at least ten unreadable meaningless yawners annually. I can't remember the last time he had something interesting or remotely provocative to say.

dan, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

More on Robert Hilburn

After George Harrison's death, he opened with "It's the end of an era." Which era is that, Bob?. The Traveling Wilburys era? The solo George era? The one dead Beatle era? He never said. He went on to write that if U2 had been making records when the Beatles were, then the two bands would have been equally popular. I'm not making this up.

dan, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's sorta fun now, though, finally, to look at his flailings. You really can play the Robert Hilburn drinking game -- a shot whenever he says "Beatles," "U2," "Bruce," "passion," etc.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There is a great/bizarre Hilburn story I have, though -- according to friend ML, at one point he really did care about music back in the seventies, to the point where he did a huge writeup about a new underground group coming to play a show. Said group -- Throbbing Gristle. Allegedly the virulent reaction on the part of the trendy audience which had flocked to the show forced him to start rethinking his pieces -- so arguably his wriitng is idiotic these days because he's specifically tailoring them for his audience.

On a slightly more slanderous note, scuttlebutt from a friend at an LA record company -- one of the Big Ones -- is that a few years back he tried to leverage said company to sign either his son or his nephew, I forget which, to a recording contract. Let us thank our lucky stars that disaster never occurred.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You could add Pearl Jam to that list, Ned.

I wanted to punch Hilburn's face in after Joey Ramone died, his obituary was so stupid and mean-spirited and dismissive. Something like "U2 and R.E.M. and Pearl Jam liked Joey Ramone and for that reason alone we must acknowledge his importance in the grand scheme of things..."

He's even more square than Dave Marsh. Pathetic.

Arthur, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My god keep these Hilburn quotes coming, they're hilarious! :)

Omar, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

his son/nephew might have been a rock god!!

mark s, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i really can't stand ann powers' writing, in part because you can see her straining to prove that she knows her cultural studies in every piece she writes, and in part because she sometimes ... makes the truth a bit malleable in order to fit her thesis.

sarah vowell's attempts to write about pop music always grated on me for their 'all snark, no substance' ethos, although i don't know if she's doing music writing so much now.

i don't really get the appeal of ben greenman, who's a favorite son over at mcsweeney's and who writes about pop music for the new yorker. i find his writing uninspired and his insights pedestrian at best.

most of the 'mainstream indie' pubs - pitchfork, magnet, et al - are for the most part horrid, proof that once you give the former strivers outside of the mainstream any sort of respect they'll take liberties in wankery/establishments of canons that they'd decry if taken by those in that oh-so-despised middle of the road.

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Maura: why do I get such a strong sense of deja vu from your last paragraph above?

Michael Jones, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My favorite thing about Hilburn was his deep, soul-eating desire to coin a genre-name that would last. It really frosted him that none of his terms took; all of them were coined specifically to celebrate the stylistic inroads carved by Bruce Springsteen and U2. Springsteen's profound influence on C & W could be seen in the collected works of Lone Justice, Rank & File (oh man did he ever love Rank & File), and the Blasters, part of a "movement" which Hilburn deemed Nu Country. Bands that played brassy bright guitar-heavy rock and favored major keys? Those are the U2's heirs, the bands whose style is called "The New Optimism." I am not making this up.

He loved Prince from "Controversy" and maybe even "Dirty Mind," though. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

John Darnielle, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I am not making this up.

No indeed.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

There's a concept, Hilburn and I. Bound to be better than My Dinner With Robert.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Honorable mention goes to the Detroit Free Press's Brian McCollum, who is not only a Hilburn acolyte but also a scab. Crossing a picket line to write about the integrity of U2, hmm...

Nicole, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

>>> Maura: why do I get such a strong sense of deja vu from your last paragraph above?

I don't know. Does she? Does anyone? Plese tell!

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

= PLEASE (Please, Please).

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

maybe we've shared a drink at a pub somewhere within the past two years ;)

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I haven't contributed to this thread yet? Sheeot.

Rob Sheffield (a fine writer) manages to irk me every time I read anything he's written - just a turn of phrase, some snarky comment, SOMETHING. Even when I agree with him, he pisses me off. Eric Weisbard, especially during his "the end of Nirvana = the end of everything" phase, managed to push my buttons. I seem to have a pet peeve for folks who A) write end-of-year synopses for Spin (promoting their own agenda) or B) appear on VH1 & MTV specials (again, promoting their own agenda). (I exclude Mr. Douglas Wolk, of course, being the exception for his appearance on some long-forgotten VH1 show discussing Skip Spence. I think I even saw Sasha Frere-Jones on some show once as well. But Alan Light, Joe Levy, Ms. Powers, Mr. John Farley, Ms. Ali, anyone appearing on those VH1 "heavy metal" specials telling me what "rocks" - dear God, STOP IT!) (I think they are, actually - here's hoping.)

I will ask this question until someone brands my tongue with a hot rivet - why do you ask MUSIC JOURNALISTS about what constitutes ROCK STARDOM? You don't ask Alice Cooper about Stockhausen, do you?

David Raposa, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

maybe we've shared a drink at a pub somewhere within the past two years

You mean you've not gone into print elsewhere on the web with that very para? If not, it genuinely was deja vu and the very strongest case of it I've had in a while. Weird.

Michael Jones, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Methinks VH1 needs to bring back Four on the Floor.

Andy K., Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

>>> maybe we've shared a drink at a pub somewhere within the past two years

Hey, that sentence has now appeared at least twice in the last four posts. Or am I getting deja vu too?

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Blimey - THREE times!!

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Andy, praytell, what was 4 On the Floor?

David Raposa, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Four on the Floor was a show VH1 ran on Sunday's around 11AM or so. They'd have the moderator (I forget who he was), and then they'd have a couple journalists and a token musician or industry type. Frequent guests were Anthony DeCurtis, Amy Linden, Scott Poulson-Bryant (sp?), JD Considine. I recall Robbie Robertson and Nile Rodgers representing the music-making side.

Andy K., Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh NO! It's a plural/possessive booboo. My biggest pet peeve! Must commit harry-caray now.

Andy K., Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'd like to see an article where rock journalists are asked about their perceived readership. Do they write for readers with their own levels of intelligence, sophistication, and taste? Or for an imagined reader who's a little less hip and a little less smart? And how does this affect their work? And how does this square with what they perceive the role of the critic to be? And what is that exactly?

dan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hey, does this mean you're going to sing 'take me out to the ballgame' and wear horn rims?

i wonder, too, how much of a role editing and directives from above plays into some critics' brain-deadness. i know many people whose places of work have 'suggested' that they take a more 'populist' (spit ptui) angle -- ann powers was actually saying during interviews for her (terrible) book that she felt lucky at the times because she rarely had to dumb down.

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How frightening. Brr.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's a good thing that Ann Powers doesn't have to "dumb down". Otherwise we might not get gems like:

"Purity is a negative in this milieu; the more engaged a band is with every rock historical source, the more likely it is to hit pay dirt."

That's from a live review of--are you ready?--Stone Temple Pilots.

dan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

wait, wait! my post wasn't meant to be construed as a defense of ann powers! it was merely pointing out that editors at most mainstream dailies don't have as much tolerance for different opinions/coverage of non-platinum bands!

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I would never accuse you, Maura, of defending the writing of Ann Powers. I've never met her but she writes like a pretentious airhead. And I understand your point on editorial constraints that writers work under. I think there's such a thing as good, provocative writing that gets past editors and appeals to a general audience, but it involves more talent than most writers have or more work than they're willing to do.

dan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

After today, definitely Caroline Sullivan. I didn't realize how awful her writing was til I read her profile of Adam Ant in the Guardian. She went out of her way to make him look shabby and sad, it seemed needlessly mean. What, couldn't she find any puppies to kick?

Nicole, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three months pass...
Oh god, Ann Powers. I thought I'd never have to hear HER name again after she mercifully left San Francisco, and thus the BAY GUARDIAN. Worst rockcrits, huh? Line 'em up, preferably against any available brick wall with Britney and Sum 41 posters on it: DeCurtis, yep. Marsh, present and incorrect? Check. Chuckles Eddy and Carducci, populist/mob/rabble apologists that they are - mmmhmm. But Gina bloody Arnold - aka Perfesser Marcus' lapdog - will now, forever and always be Numero Uno.

Michael Layne Heath, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Amusing rediscovery: yesterday I found a reference to an old conference paper by an academic, that said that Sinker (1988) and Savage (1995) had put Irish-English bands (eg Smiths, Oasis, Lennon, Lydon?) into an English box.

I wondered what on earth Mark S was doing pressing Oasis's canonical Brit claims in 1988.

I wonder what the relevant text is?

the pinefox, Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

i wrote a piece abt "englishness" in rock — madness, the fall, the smiths — for nme: so i assume that

(it wz called "look back in anguish" but that title wasn't my idea)

it wz a good idea badly realised, i think: god knows there wz enough rubbishy "celtic soul" polemic in the mag at that time, so i possibly veered against that deliberately

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wow: and I thought this geezer must have misconstrued you!

the pinefox, Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

well i think he wz kind of missing the point of the piece — an english-irish band can after all play with ideas of englishness w/o being pureblood themselves — but i haven't got very much to go on re his actual criticism, plus i'm aware the piece wasn't so great in the first place

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not really a music journalist, but Julie Burchill usually makes me piss myself laughing with her unintentionally funny music articles.

And anyone who works at NME, obviously.

russ t, Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

*raises hand*

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julie BurchillNot really a music journalist

give or take a decade or so of music journalism behind her... hse is pretty bad though...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

funny to see the hate poured on hilburn and powers, not so funny to have one replace the other : (

gershy, Monday, 3 September 2007 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wow look at sterling going at juzwiak! how strange.

(so long ago, though)

r|t|c, Monday, 3 September 2007 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://www.fuse.tv/contributors/david-shapiro

buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link

not clicking on that but i am glad this is now the thread for updates on this guy

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 09:26 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think david shapiro would claim to be a "Pop Journalist"

caulk the wagon and float it, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

Just read the new shindig's article on Strawberry Alarm Clock and have just been rereminded why I can't stand that writer. There is just way too much self-regarding noise in the piece.
Tend to find that any time I bother reading that guy. Used to annoy me that he'd get given items I wanted to find out about to review in various psych mags and I'd just be reminded that the guy was in love with himself instead of finding out about the product.

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

Thank me very much oh wait.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

what an odd thread to read over a decade (!) on

lex pretend, Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link


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