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Hi. I'm a 15-year-old who just started actually playing music in March (I took guitar when I was in sixth grade, but don't remember anything from it, other than a few chords and some blues soloing)...

Anyway, I just finished the music for an ep (I'm working on getting samples) and am looking for feedback...

I'd appreciate it if you listened to some (or all, if you have time) of it....Thanks!

I Used to Be a Tool...But Now I'm a Super Tool EP sampleless DEMO

Side A:
OoohAARP
Kindergarten
Pins aNd eedles
Heylo
Look at me Go (part 2)
Evilllllll Theme

Side B:
Pianono
Traffic Light
NoI$e

[url=http://www.catjams.com/tapestore/OoohAARP%20_%20kindergarten%20_%20Pins%20aNd%20eedles%20_%20Heylo%20_%20LOOK%20AT%20ME%20GO!%20(Part%202)%20_%20Evillllllll%20Theme.mp3]Side A[/url]
[url=http://www.catjams.com/tapestore/Pianono%20_%20Traffic%20ligHt%20_%20NoI$E.mp3]Side B[/url]

Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 5 August 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Looking for Feedback on EP

Jesus and Mary Chain - Never Understand

(sorry)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 August 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I really like that "no no no no, don't funk with my heart" bit at the beginning. you shouldve expounded on that a bit more. other than that it was crap.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Friday, 5 August 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I downloaded the second one and listened to it. Actually I skipped over a lot of it. The bits I heard sounded like directionless keyboard plonking, reminiscent of the things I used to make by bouncing sound between tape recorders when I was a kid. My first thought was to dismiss it or suspect a joke. However, if this had been released by some avant garde record label in a nicely designed sleeve, I probably would have listened to it all the way through, making an earnest attempt to understand and appreciate it, complete with chin stroking, brow furrowing etc. I might have quite liked it.

dasein (dasein), Friday, 5 August 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

Sorry...I just realized this probably is coming off as one-time-poster-like, but i don't think that is going to be true...

Anyway, one note: I was yelled at for the noise level i created on NoI$e.

and thanks to everyone who has listened so far... I appreciate the comments...

Dasein: My recording technique is very close to the one which you described. I am on a cool label called cat jams (www.catjams.com). The packaging for my releases is duct tape covers inside old cassette cases... Anyway, thanks again for listening!

Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 5 August 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

my brow is furrowed, i am starting up winamp

dasein (dasein), Friday, 5 August 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

For Mr. Store's sake, I'm furnishing this link to one of his released tracks. This is recorded entirely live on air at our local college radio station (KCOU 88.1 in Columbia, MO) except some snippets at the beginning and end and some bleedthrough from the commercial tape on which it was recorded. Tape Store did a stunning one-man show, playing keyboard over rewinding CDs, old embarrassing taped-off radio hits, rewinding tapes of rewinding CDs, prerecorded preset beats, etc. All the more impressive considering he's fifteen and his conservative, somewhat overprotective parents were in the studio too, watching blankly and wondering why their guitar-based investments didn't take the shape of a nice musician like Cat Stevens (early period).

This track comprises the entire second side of his debut release, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis Your Mom, the first cassette released on Cat Jams (my cdr label). 30 copies were made, all duped over donated commercial tapes, so there's a real range of bleedthrough depending on which tape you got. To expound on his description of the artwork, each one is part of a large rectangular duct-tape collage cut into 30 cassette-cover-sized pieces.

In my opinion, Tape Store is doing some great stuff with the recontextualization and metacommentary revolving around the line of demarcation between pop music and outsider music. As a not-prodigally-cool junior-high student with a funny voice in a rural midwest college town living with his nonplussed family, he's in a unique and powerful position. I look forward to his future works and to the day when his works will be granted the benefit of the doubt -- hopefully he won't just get disillusioned and turn to being a full-time lush DFA79 fan.

Anyway, here's that track I like so much.

http://www.catjams.com/tapestore/sideB.mp3

does that need tags? http://www.catjams.com/tapestore/sideB.mp3

channing kennedy, Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

i remember we had a kid in junior high school that used to drive to school.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

This sounds like someone with a talkboy.

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Saturday, 6 August 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Hey, catjams. How about posting some of those Uncle Tupelo, Live in the KCOU Lounge cuts?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 6 August 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

A good person to talk to about that (assuming you're talking about KCOU Columbia, a service of the University of Mssouri -- I don't know Uncle Tupelo) would be a guy named Jason Cafer, who DJed at KCOU forever and knows his alt-country inside and out. He can be reached at painfullymidwestern@gmail.com or http://www.painfullymidwestern.com/ .

Something else to mention about the mp3 I posted: one of the elements of that live performance was a tape of a rewinding CD of him talking during his sole previous show. I thought that was a neat idea.

In other news, I just got the feedback joke. Man, I was playing Cremaster 5 on some TVs in my clothing shop just now, and some kids and parents walked by and got really offended.

channing kennedy, Saturday, 6 August 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Jason Cafer says:

"Yes, Uncle Tupelo did play live on KCOU. I'm sure the tapes are
around somewhere.
They even thank KCOU in the liner notes of their first record, "No Depression"."

Well I'll be!

channing kennedy, Sunday, 7 August 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Channing...

Oh, and it took me a while to get that the J&MC reply was a joke, too...

Lastly, I think my brother has a talkboy, but it doesn't have batteries...

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 8 August 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
This is where I'm going to post my accomplishments and get yelled at for talking about myself.

Achievements thus far:
-4th Place (out of 4) at my Junior High School Battle of the Bands
-a review in a Chicago zine (Lumpen) - the gist of it being "indescribable crap"

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 2 January 2006 03:33 (twenty years ago)

Do you have anything online anymore? I missed seeing this thread when it was first posted and now the links seem to be dead.

Pangolino 2, Monday, 2 January 2006 05:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I forgot about that.. I might YSI something, but Cat Jams (the label I am on) is in the process of moving its mp3s to archive.org (because the founder/owner/CEO (Channing Kennedy) doesn't have enough money to be spending on the site so he changed it to a blogger site). Thanks for the interest.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 2 January 2006 06:01 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah. I'm working on it. Chris, you should post a batch in a YSI file 'cause it might be a little while. And everyone loves YouSendIt!

Channing Kennedy, Monday, 2 January 2006 06:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm in the middle of it now.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 2 January 2006 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Side B

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 2 January 2006 06:34 (twenty years ago)

I can't tell if I like this or not, but I'm leaning toward "or not".

Melting Pat, Monday, 2 January 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for even listening.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

hhaha, i kind of like this; it reminds me kind of a primitive negativland? or this: www.jamhandy.com

keep refining this and it'll be great in a couple of years. i dont really like the casio keyboard melody during the first couple minutes though

the climactic baconian, Monday, 2 January 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)

more rewinding cds and samples, less keyboard!

the climactic baconian, Monday, 2 January 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the advice. Do you like the keyboard on any songs? I'm going to be doing some new tracks within the next couple of weeks.. I'll take your advice and post them.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 2 January 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

i mean, do what your muse tells you to, but sometimes less is more ... more minimal keyboard lines could compliment the noisier, and imho more interesting aspects of the music, ie the samples and glitchy cd and tape manipulation

the climactic baconian, Monday, 2 January 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I did like the keyboard at the beginning, but it seemed to be less useful to the music once that segment was finished. I know it was a live-recording, but I think that it would be interesting if you could interact with the tape-rewinding and CD-shuttling sounds more closely. This recording seemed to place you and the keyboard up front, as the most important things, and after the first couple of minutes, it sounds like there aren't so many more ideas with the keyboard and the rewinding and shuttling seem like they are happening more in the background. Maybe you could move things around in the space if the microphones stay where they are (maybe they're too heavy or they belong to the station and are all patched in and not accessible - I don't know), so that those sounds can become more expressive and more part of what you're making. Maybe leave the keyboard sometimes and listen to other sounds you can make; how you can change them. Maybe try to change what is the background and what is the foreground a bit. It might work in a performance setting to have different keyboard parts and rhythms, ones that you really like, ready to perform, and you can then go back to playing the keyboard just when it seems right.

Personally, I don't often like talking-samples, but that's just me and if they are important to you, I think that's good.

I think the song you play closer to the end is potentially funny, because, at least in North America, it's probably the most depressing and unwelcome piece of music a person can play on a keyboard. It appears like a white flag of surrender that things have gone past the point of no more ideas. It could work as comedy, and maybe that's what you are working towards with the spoken parts, but as a joke, maybe it should be built up more, as if it's going to be the best song you have or something. It could also work as a half-joke, half-musical thing if you would work really hard at an arrangement where it can start to sound interesting - maybe avoid playing the left and right hand parts on the same keyboard at the same time, or change the rhythm or something. You will know when it starts to sound good.

I don't know if that will make sense, but it's my impression. Thanks for posting your music!

Pangolino 2, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:02 (twenty years ago)

Is this even a messageboard? That was insanely constructive!

channing, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:59 (twenty years ago)

Pangolino (2), thank you so much for writing (as Channing said) an extremely constructive response (that I agree with completely but never thought about). I'll reply more tomorrow after school when i'm not so tired. Thanks again!

Tape Store (Tape Store), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)

Ok, my thoughts:

I really, really like your idea of changing what is the focus.. I honestly never really thought of that, and i will definetly fool around with that on my next recordings. I should also use more cd rewinding.. Actually, in a podcast I recently did, i had a song entirely based on rewinding/fast-forwarding Janet's "Together Again" and adding the piano intro from a Wilco song as the chorus. It lacked a beat, though.

Anyway, I hate talking samples, particularly when they are of me. Then again, I cringe everytime i hear my voice (probably like other people when they hear my voice). This is mostly because i have a speech impediment (if you couldn't already tell). This really sucks when I get called on to answer a question but the teacher can't understand.

That's beside the point. Yeah, the "Heart and Soul" is supposed to be somewhat of a joke, and i should build it up like it is my best song... An extremely solid, helpful post on your part. Thank you very much for listening/commenting.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Chris, you should YSL the two sides of your official release too. And one of the things that drew me to your work in the first place was that you were so casually in-yo-face with your speech impediment. A rational person would have resigned themselves to acoustic instrumental James Taylor covers, and would have steered away from making whole songs focusing on snippets of themselves addressing an auditorium full of bored 8th graders. So obviously it won you like 1,000,000 points in my book up front.

I really like that Wilco track of yours as is. I swear after this next weekend I'll have a lot more spare time and will actually post everything again.

Channing, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:26 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, that is side B of your real tape. Well, put up side A, it has the Tommy Boy song on it.

channing, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Side A

Note to those who listen: I'd recommend (no, actually, it is pretty important) that you skip the first seven minutes. In retrospective, I consider them a waste of time.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:42 (twenty years ago)

Tape Store/Telephone Poles World Tour 2006!

ravinder & davinder, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:01 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

i like this a lot dude.

i really think you'd like this guy named Marxy... he's kind of in the same realm as you in terms of using media samples and cheap synths and shit. his one album (or at least the one i have) is more musically formed (like there is actual singing and stuff) but it isn't too far our from your stuff.

(here's this thing i wrote for stylus like last summer about him http://www.stylusmagazine.com/stypod/archives/539)

i could h00k u up with the album if you want...

Jordan Sargent, Saturday, 7 July 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

this thread is like a conference call from Hell
-- Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:53 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Link

But thanks for the nice words! I'd love to hear some Marxy.

Right now, I'm in the middle of recording a split tape (one side Tape Store, the other side Castro Catastrophe (aka Tape Store: the band)...it's made with the same cheap instruments, but it sounds different from my old stuff.

Tape Store, Sunday, 8 July 2007 03:51 (eighteen years ago)


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