Rap music related shooting at hotel accross the street from my office in Philly...

here is a URL:

http://www.msnbc.com/local/WCAU/NBCEOOPIKXC.asp

i'm too lazy to make a proper link...

Country.

Wagner (inspires genocide, no less!).

Heavy Metal (inspires church burnings).

Rolling Stones (inspires Altamont).

Sousa (inspires senseless wars).

Fred Durst (encourages people to "break stuff").

The best song that encourages people to shoot each other is the square dance called by Bugs Bunny. (Anyone remember any of the words?)

i'm too lazy to make a proper link...

Doubtlessly the product of an unhealthy...NMH obsession?

sorry, i'm not into Nordic Magic Healing.

Just a moment... this shooting wasn't "inspired" by rap, but rather simply occured at a party related to rap music (this is as specific as the article gets). In which case this provides EXACTLY as much grounds for condemning rap as Altamont provided for rock and roll.

Ok, rap music didn't shoot anyone, someone with a gun did did. Music doesn't kill people, guns don't kill people, stupid people kill stupid people. I'm a punk, so I know what its like to be discriminated against for my music and the way I dress and act. I'm not complaining, since its my choice and I made it, and I accept the consequences freely. However, I've been the victim of discrimination over music... There are stupid punks. There are stupid metalheads, rappers, teenyboppers, ravers, blues fans, classical listeners, opera lovers, etc... There are no stupid musics, and none which cause death.

What kind of ridiculous closeminded moralisic superior clap trap is this?!?!

"Further evidence that rap music is a bad idea." I challenge you to present your startling and sufficient evidence to make this point. After reading the story, there is nothing to demonstrate that rap "inspired" the individuals involved to do anything. The shooting result from a fight that began at a rap music party. I really don't think I want to get into the implications of your comments because, quite frankly, they distress and disgust me.

Also, to pose as the arbiter of what constitutes "music" simply presents "further evidence" that you, graysonlane@yahoo.com, really don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Pardon my french.

this provides EXACTLY as much grounds for condemning rap as Altamont provided for rock and roll.

Ah, let's be done with that too. Hate for all!

Rap is my favorite kind of music, I grew up on it, and I love applying ultra-liberal laissez faire to everything in life because it helps me justify a lot of mean, selfish, exploitative things I do on a regular basis.....I'll do anything to bust a nut and I like to piss all over public toilets....but I'd be lying if I said rap music doesn't play at least a tiny part in the pseudo-hardass nihilism that I find irritating (and sometimes PHYSICALLY DANGEROUS) in a lot of my contemporaries as well as kids coming up......when I was in 5th grade and first started bumping NWA all i knew was This Is The Greatest, Most Balls-out THrilling Music Ever, but I knew that a lot of it was vicarious rush and though I got off on the shoot em up shootem suck my dick bitch, I knew I really wasn't gonna do that shit MYSELF.....dont know why, but some bastards are just stupid and never could at any age keep their critical/ironic/whatever distance from music.....rap is the most exciting music around, the affectations of hiphop culture basically dominate my life....but it annoys me when people try to write off the very possibility of it helping along the attitudes of knuckleheads....and of course the same applies to rock/metal like people like Sterling said...

That said, g over here is blowing smoke, he just doesn't like the sound or ethos of rap while barely understanding it, thinks it's corroding the goodness of the nation or some shit, and is busting the same old same old reactionary bitchmove of posting some rapthug- related headline.....the most annoying thing about people like graysonlane is how even after reading all teh brilliant sonic and social rap discourse on boards like this by people like that Tim Fineny guy etc and being fully aware of how well most people here probably understand rap's trappings, they still pull out this simple ass "WAKE UP CALL" bullshit like theyre telling us some sobering shit we dont know....like I'm going to read this and just drop everything and say, OMG....It's true...all these years I've been listening to rap and...oh....it's true.....I AM A CHILD OF ENTROPYYYYYYY!!!!!!! AAAAAGH!!!! Eat it, "g".

Oh and the first para only refers to 187 ice-nigga mentality rap....not nearly the only rap out there but of course the only type peeps like g seem to be aware of

On the evidence of how he starts this thread, G is an idiot and ILM would be far better off without attitudes like that.

i'm less annoyed by g's initial post than by the silly grandstanding in some of these replies.

Condiment - word.

Also, Ramosi - can we admit to the smallest possibility that rap, while brilliant, thrilling, sonically and linguistically awe-inspiring etc. (which I believe btw), also has the potential to be dangerous? Otherwise it wouldn't amount to much, would it?

dave q: that's exactly what I was saying....a lot of the high- minded "brainy" discourse surrounding rap is somehow totally oblivious to this - it fumbles me....it's well-meaning but it seems to exist in that airheaded blind liberal zone where only the good bits get bigged up, rap lineages and sonics are dissected brilliantly, but the *ugly* half of the cultural studies part gets smoothed over, laughed off, or left out.....of course noone can pin down the exact clinical "influence" of rap on people but it amuses me how I'm expected to just act like rap doesn't help certain pseudo- thug morons to happily live life like one long roid-rage.....some aspects of rap, SOME, are just tailored *perfectly*, more than any other music, to certain people that need a soundtrack for making other people's lives dangerous.......I agree completely.

In the toilets at the new Sussed venue somebody had written "GARAGE BREEDS VIOLENCE - BAN IT!" and then rather reasonably "Do you agree?"

come on now, i was just trying to stir up controversy (plus the shot out windows caught my attention in the morning). I knew those quotation marks would get some people mad. Admittedly, the connection to rap music made in the article was a bit tenuous, but if you look at the update today (same URL) it appears that one of the victims was supposed to be perfomrnig at a rap show. now, I suspect that there were other, more important circumstances that haven't been divulged, but it is pretty out there shit if a fight over a gig leads to a drive-by.

Seriously though, it's obvious that music can be the soundtrack to violent acts (not just rap). Can music actually inspire violence? Maybe. We could probably debate about whether or not that would be a good thing. Personally i don't like rap music in general, but I can appreciate it's finer moments. Same as for other genres like country, speed metal, etc. etc. Yeah Ramosi I was blowing smoke but i certainly don't think rap "thinks it's corroding the goodness of the nation or some shit"--i'm not tipper gore after all.

ramosi, dave, remember all the liberal condesending that rap got circa '95, like "oh look, you're representing, isn't that nice?" And then people started to get killed.

robin: geez. I am SO not an idiot.

ps anyone else having trouble with "www.greenspun.com" - i can only get to "greenspun.com" - maybe my DNS is screwy.

Philadelphia this past Sunday: The whole night periodically punctuated by the wall-shaking sounds of booming sound systems. Overheard conversations the next day: the shooting, people pounding on someone's car windows for no reason.

I say: ban professional sports.

Nah, just in Philly. What's up with booing Kobe?

boo his ass right back to la, i say. philly has no class, and that's part of our charm.

yeh, kobe is a punk, he's from the burbs anyway