TS: Gram Parsons vs. John Fogerty

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― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Fogerty by a million miles.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

John Fogerty. He didn't take it too far, but, boy, could he play guitar.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. As much as you get involved with interesting, brilliant, essential songwriters and musicians like Parsons as you delve deeper into the music that's out there, there's usually a reason icons are icons.

There are FEW -- I mean maybe Beatles/Stones -- better two year spans than Fogerty had in 1969 and 1970.

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

A helluva run Fogerty had. CCR was probably the best rock band, period, b/w 1969 and 1970.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Fogerty, no question. Though Parsons was "cooler" and arguably had more impact. Reading the Booth book on the Stones, it's amazing how that guy was some sort of charisma magnet. Charisma, of course, being one thing Forgerty lacked/lacks.

Parsons also gets points because he donned Nudie suits. Fogerty rocked flannel.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Fogerty, that is.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Hafta go with Fogerty. No-brainer.

Parsons wrote a few decent songs, did a lot of drugs and died early, which makes him more attractive, I guess. I'd take Gene Clark over Parsons any day.

― JAS, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Fogerty is a huge dork. But a dork that wrote a run of great singles that cannot be fucked with.....CCR is better. Fogerty wins.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I opened this link thinking I would make the contrarian choice of John Fogerty. I'll always love Gram Parsons, because he was one of those "discoveries" you make in college, like girls and drugs. ...CCR was just always there. Now that I've had them both around awhile, I more appreciate how incredible it is for John Fogerty to have gotten into the DNA of two or three generations of kids.

― Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I've also realized that, as far as protest songs go, "Fortunate Son" DESTROYS.

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Fogerty for (a) not being dead yet, (b) CC fuckin' R and (c) "The Old Man Down the Road".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

(also: playing Fortunate Son and Bad Moon Rising on the SuperBowl broadcast in the middle of an election year/war)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

But Fogerty probably loses points for "Centerfield" and the baseball bat guitar....

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Parsons is one of those folks whose songs I like most when they're in someone else's hands. So, I guess, Parsons for songs and Fogerty for performances.

Oddly, I can't think of a Fogerty or CCR song that comes off well in another person's voice, except for "Proud Mary," which is debatable in the extreme.

― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

no one could really say parsons here. i mean, fortunate fucking son, you know?

― JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

mad puffin i've heard lots of bands (les savy fav, sleater-kinney) cover 'fortunate son' (esp. lately obv.) and it ALWAYS comes off well

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Pavement's cover of Sinister Purpose is... interesting.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Hrm, I've never heard the S-K "Fortunate Son"; evidently I ought to. I'll bet my wife has it somewhere.

― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Uncle Tupelo did "Effigy." Springsteen does CCR songs frequently ("Have You Ever Seen the Rain?" mostly).

As much as I love GP it's hard to deny the brilliance of a man who penned as many as 6 or 7 or 8 stone cold rock 'n roll classics.

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Malkmus has been pretty vocal about the influence of Fogerty's chooglin' guitar on his own work.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I don't hear it.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

"Conduit For Sale"?

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

uh, that's the Fall song, ennit?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

I don't hear it.

-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), August 9th, 2005.

"The Hook" from the eponymous debut. Much of Pig Lib.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

"Range Life" maybe (esp. the solo.....if he played that solo...)

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

if we could somehow combine the two, they would be unstoppable.

Gram Fogerty? John Parsons?

Creedence Clearwater Burrito?

is this mic on?

― JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Gram

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I can't speak for Malkmus' solo stuff - what I've heard I quickly got rid of.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Gram Parsons solo > John Fogerty solo, but

CCR >>>>>>>>>>>>> anything Gram Parsons ever did

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

"Barefoot girls dancing in the moonlight".....................................................................damn.

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

It is indeed regrettable that Pavement's rhythm section didn't emulate Doug Clifford and Stu Cook.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but did you ever see those guys? Never have a dopier bunch of guys made such canonical music.

― PB, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

i don't know any gram parsons songs (at least none off the top of my head)! even if i did, though, i suspect that i'd still select fogerty (b/c his CCR songs were GREAT pop, for being so commonly-heard in the USA that what is ODD or FASCINATING about them is so often overlooked, etc.).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but did you ever see those guys? Never have a dopier bunch of guys made such canonical music.

CCR's rhythm section or pavement's rhythm section? (smart-ass answer: BOTH)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Fogerty.

― Adam Harrison-Friday, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

"Streets of Baltimore" is probably the only GP song I can think of where GP's own version is the one that sticks in my head.

Elvis Costello's recording of "How Much I Lied" is one of my favoritest things ever.

― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

gp was one helluva songwriter. maybe there hain't many country fans here, but for giggles i'll vote gram because he's getting creamed.

― katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

Yogurty Fogerty.

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

"Streets of Baltimore" is probably the only GP song I can think of where GP's own version is the one that sticks in my head.

Bobbie Bare's version (the original) is better!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

"Conduit for Sale" is totally CCR inspired, the way the guitars chog along. Or compare "Range Life" to "Have You Ever Seen the Rain?".

I like Gram Parsons a lot, but Fogerty wins this showdown by a country mile.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

All you dudes forgot to mention that Fogerty wore FLANNEL SHIRTS AND BROWN LEATHER PANTS SIMULTAENOUSLY!!!!! Now, that beats the shit out of a mary jane nudie suit. -Justin

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

it pains me to be the first one to mention the minutemen in this influence section of this thread, esp w/r/t boon and watt's frequent mention of the economy of CCR.

gram parsons really had the sweetest voice though.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Fogerty by a zillion (and i like GP quite a bit)

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

gram did have a lovely voice.

sometimes, fogerty's voice can be REAL annoying, like on his cover of "night time is the right time"....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

ah, fuck, Gram Parsons. I always found CCR's records a bit...harsh...kinda one-dimensional...stiff...I mean for guys who were into Howlin' Wolf and all that southern music, they sure didn't get it, in my opinion. I mean they're good records, and sure Fogie was a good songwriter, but I never could get past the way those records sound and the way they played them. Sometimes I really like CCR, like on the "Willy Poorboys" album, sometimes I found them annoying. Plus I think Fogie's solo work is really lame--"Centerfield" and all that, it's pretty much everything I don't like about classic rock.

Parsons on the other hand made fewer records, of course; that first Burritos record is really sonically flawed, but to me that one alone is worth all of CCR's stuff. I just hear more heart and soul in Parsons. And when he got around to making records more consciously, he made some great-sounding stuff. And I for one think Parsons was as good a songwriter as John Fogerty. Given my preference for the sly side of things. So sure, I enjoy them both, but I think Parsons was truly unique.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

What is this "heart and soul" stuff you speak of, edd, and where can I buy it?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

fogerty, if for nothing else-
RAMBLE fukin TAMBLE.

(i've always wanted an R in tamble so it could be RAMBLE TRAMBLE)
rubble rubble

― eedd, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

OOBIE fukin DOOBIE

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

Next up:

Thin Lizzy vs. George Strait
Madonna vs. Tommy Bolin
Beethoven vs. New Order
Tortoise vs. Linda Rondstat

― Keith C (kcraw916), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

I was just thinking further about this, and recalled to mind the vocal performance in "Lodi." This is one of the best songs, like, ever. I think Fogerty could win most matchups on the strength of "Lodi" alone.

― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

fogerty. I don't even like parsons' music

― älänbänänä (alanbanana), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

and I just remembered that Pavement does an ace live cover of "Lodi."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

ten years pass...

Trump covers a Fogerty song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu6_2hFTw74

― everything, Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:33 (nine years ago)

I hope Fogerty sues him.

― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:57 (nine years ago)

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