Why does everyone write about the Pixies and "quiet verse, loud chorus"?

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Because Smells Like Teen Spirit has a quiet verse and a loud chorus. I answered my own question.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

So does Joy Division's "Twenty-four Hours".

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Actually, wait, there's no choruses there. It just goes from soft to loud to soft to loud...

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

And (at random) Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again" (and pretty much every other power ballad).

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Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

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jermaine (jnoble), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Name five songs aside from Gigantic that do the soft-loud thing.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

"Monkey Gone to Heaven," "Tame," pretty much everything on Doolittle except "Here Comes Your Man" and "Silver," as I recall. It's bass and a sustained guitar chord over the verse, then the guitar is strummed for much more sound in the chorus.

Derek Krissoff (Derek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Ah, sloppy post, I didn't name five, and mentally replaying the two I did name, it's a little more complicated. I stand by the spirit of what I said, though. Basically everything's bass-y until the chorus; that's how they create drama.

Derek Krissoff (Derek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Tame
Gouge Away
Monkey Gone To Heaven
Is She Weird
Down To The Well

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Hang Wire
Planet Of Sound
River Euphrates
I Bleed
Levitate Me

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I always thought quiet-verse loud-chorus had been a standard rock form since time immemorial. Led Zeppelin did it quite a bit.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

i been tired

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Why does everyone write about the Pixies and "quiet verse, loud chorus"?

because music writers, like all journos, tend to get lazy and trade in Accepted Narratives(e.g. music history according to VH1).

Like how Nirvana brought punk back the U.S. after the Sex Pistols killed it.

Plenty of bands(Husker Du and others) had this dynamic in the songs; Frank Zappa even extolled its virtues.

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Well it's a helluva lot better than "loud verse, loud chorus"

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

what about "thats how i escaped my certain fate", hurting? only one verse and one chorus (which raises certain semantic issues, i know...), but i feel like its a pretty wildly successful example of loud/loud... like almost every minor threat song, too.

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm so fucking sick of that "all journalists are lazy" generalization.

BanjoMania (Brilhante), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

What about loud verse, quiet chorus? I'm serious.

M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Metallica invented that with "the Unforgiven"

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

that is a good example, BP.

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Late Fugazi comes to mind, but I'm having trouble separating verse, chorus, bridge, interlude, etc, strictly from memory, and the CDs are Way Over There.

M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Well it's a helluva lot better than "loud verse, loud chorus"
So The Pixies and Nirvana are a helluva lot better than the rest of rock n roll / punk? I think not.

paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

I can hardly think of any Fugazi songs from the last decade that have a chorus

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Foreman's Dog?

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

"Monkey Gone to Heaven," "Tame," pretty much everything on Doolittle except "Here Comes Your Man" and "Silver," as I recall. It's bass and a sustained guitar chord over the verse, then the guitar is strummed for much more sound in the chorus.

Yes, dig that quiet sootheing verse on "Debaser" and "Dead" and the raucous, ball-to-the-wall freneticism of "La La Love You".

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Plenty of bands(Husker Du and others) had this dynamic in the songs

husker du had lots of things in their songs, but dynamics was not one of them. 95 percent of their songs went like this: loud verse/loud chorus.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

(This thread is kind of feeding into a slowly blossoming theory that indie fans are deaf.)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

all those loud chorus wrecked their hearing

password reset limbo, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

quiet/loud terminology is one of the blights on Pixies criticism...as far as loud verses and quiet choruses for them, look no further than Gouge Away...

Bone Machine is the perfect example...on a cursory listen it seems that it does the quiet verse and loud chorus thing, but then you ask yourself "What is the chorus?" Is it the part that goes "Your Island skin looks Mexican, our love is rice and beans and horses lard"? Because actually that part resembles more of a pre-chorus. Actually, the chorus is "Your bone is a little machine", which is the quietest part of the entire song. Basically, Pixies deconstructed the formula before it even was a formula...

I think better than the quiet/loud contrast is what the big orange book calls it, "a mixture of raw and cooked punk" This is another way of saying build-up/tension/release (see Caribou) and of course Zappa praised it: it's good songwriting. You can also ask Smokey Robinson; "Tracks of My Tears" uses the same technique.

Actually, that was one of the things about the Pixies was how they added (further) sophistication to Huskers-style pop-punk. Nothing really brand-new back then to the technique itself, but these refinements was opposed to the flatness of affect that most hardcore bands had worn like a badge of honor. When critics say that Pixies created "modern rock" (another inappropriate term that plagues them), what they really mean, perhaps without kowing it, is that they added standard pop songwriting techniques to punk, for all intents and purposes pulling it back into "rock" territory.

Drugs A. Money, Monday, 7 January 2008 00:05 (eighteen years ago)

Loud verse/quiet chorus: The Band - "King Harvest (Has Surely Come)"

clotpoll, Monday, 7 January 2008 09:10 (eighteen years ago)


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