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Eminem's cult is big enough and rabid enough to see him through a rather uninspired album like last year's "Encore" (Aftermath/Universal), which didn't yield many hits but sold like crazy, regardless. On the other hand, 50 Cent's following isn't a cult, it's a market, and a big one: he just has to keep making the product people want - addictive club tracks - and they will keep buying.

For 50 Cent Madison Square Garden was a big dance club, and he shook the rafters with lithe tracks like "P.I.M.P." and "Disco Inferno," which are engineered to be irresistible. The idea is to address the female market segment (asking, gallantly, "You gonna back that thing up or should I push up on it?"), but sometimes to do it rudely (commanding, rather less gallantly, "Bitch, hit that track, catch a date, and come and pay the kid"), so that the male market segment feels acknowledged, too. This may be a cynical approach, but it could be said that earlier versions of this formula, while more civil, were scarcely less cynical. In any case, consumer satisfaction seemed high on Monday night.

Although 50 Cent has been embroiled in controversy all year, he mainly played down his feuds. One enemy is the Game, his former protégé, who has been huffing and puffing about 50's alleged treachery. On Monday night, 50 Cent responded not like a cold-blooded killer but like a cold-blooded C.E.O.: anyone who sided with his former protégé, he said, should "buy Game's record and make me rich." 50 Cent was an executive producer of the Game's CD.

Since he released "Get Rich or Die Tryin' " (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope), in early 2003, 50 Cent has assembled what must be the most efficient hit-making machine in the history of hip-hop. So a chunk of the set was given over to the core members of G-Unit, who are now stars in their own right: the witty charmer Lloyd Banks, the loudmouthed rookie Tony Yayo and the Southern roughneck Young Buck. (Buck deserves credit for a remarkable achievement: his solo set included appearances by Ma$e and Busta Rhymes but, somehow, no rapping whatsoever.) 50 Cent also delighted local fans by bringing out a couple of veteran New York groups newly aligned with G-Unit: the grim (but beloved) Queens duo Mobb Deep and the rowdy (but cheerful) Brooklyn duo M.O.P.

While 50 Cent (much like the opening act, Lil Jon & the Eastside Boyz) turned the Garden into a nightclub, Eminem turned it into a theater. (His performance was filmed and recorded for a special on the Showtime network. The New York Times declined to photograph the concert because its producers demanded that the pictures be submitted to Eminem and 50 Cent for approval.) In his songs, the dance floor is much less important than the stage. Maybe that's why his last two album covers have shown him on a proscenium, framed by a velvet curtain. And maybe that's why his set began with two gloomy but intricate tracks that could almost have been monologues: "Evil Deeds" and "Mosh," in which Eminem widens his list of targets to include President Bush. (In case the president is wondering, his companion targets on Monday night included Mariah Carey, Michael Jackson, Eminem's mother and - in the evening's biggest mismatch - Christopher Reeve.)

Ever since the runaway success of "The Marshall Mathers LP," in 2000, Eminem has been retreating from the same hip-hop turmoil on which 50 Cent thrives. In his lyrics, Eminem is always second-guessing his career, his celebrity, his persona; "Encore" is full of sighing complaints, as if he were feeling ready to quit. (Onstage, he lampooned the newspapers and magazines that have claimed he is planning to retire, but he also didn't promise to stick around.) Like 50 Cent, he de-emphasized his feuds with other rappers, but he found a different way to do it. In a bracing, clear-eyed song called "Like Toy Soldiers," he explained, "Even though the battle was won, I feel like we lost it/ I spent so much energy on it, honestly I'm exhausted."

That hint of exhaustion sometimes dragged down his show, and so did some of his protégés. With the notable exception of 50 Cent - and in stark contrast to him, too - Eminem has had trouble finding emerging rappers who can help expand his empire. And so despite delivering a few great verses alongside his not-exactly-great group D-12, Eminem was best when he was alone, almost oblivious to the tens of thousands of concertgoers screaming the words along with him.

All manner of interesting quotables and places to seek argument in that article, but the thread title is the one that floored me. Does anyone else buy into the Eminem=Cult of Personality / 50=Audio Svengali dichotomy? Cause I'm pretty sure I don't.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

Also: "consumer satisfaction seemed high".

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

Eminem sounds like he's finally turned into the goth stereotype he always was at heart.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

"it could be said that earlier versions of this formula, while more civil, were scarcely less cynical."

it *could be said* while on crack.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

Right now Fitty's audience seems to be growing, while Eminem has become comfortable with midlevel sales and stardom, the kind which in a few years dwindles to a fervent cult (despite Sanneh's claim that "Encore" "sold like crazy," it did not; it's sold far less than The Eminem Show"

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Eminem has become comfortable with midlevel sales and stardom

midlevel??? jesus, maybe encore didn't sell as much as the last one, but don't act like he's memphis bleek or something.....

as for 50....in another thread I called the massacre his "new jersey" to "get rich"'s "slippery when wet"....it's like the album that sells as well, maybe even more, than the world-beating breakthrough, and even has some good songs that will endure, but somewhere deep down no one *really* likes it as well, and it seems like somewhat of a pale imitation of the success of the breakthrough record (i remember feeling this way about new jersey as a lad, although fans won't admit it at the time, i didn't).....(btw, The Eminem Show was Em's New Jersey)......so, 50's basically on the same trajectory, except I doubt he'll even reign as long as Em did, cuz Em didn't really peak until his 2nd record....50's already peaked....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Listeners love Eminem's songs because they love him. But listeners love 50 Cent because they love his songs.

Where is this in the actual article? I don't see it.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Did Massacre really outsell Get Rich?

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I think Kalefa has it totally backwards. 50 is about persona, Eminem is about hits.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

stupidest binary i've ever seen

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Well it's not like 50 Cent isn't about hits too, but I think it's kind of a Beatles/Stones dynamic, and Eminem is the Beatles in that scenario.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Really? Who actually likes 50 Cent, the guy? What is there to even like or dislike? He's a blank-faced muscly blank; the songs come out fine, but even his initial spurt of got-shot backstory couldn't make him seem like much more than a blow-up doll. (His muscles even look plasticized!) Whereas Eminem's backstory gets excavated in song and on paper into pretty much the bulk of the show; dude has had hits that weren't even very good but took off thanks largely to their place in the Ongoing Eminem Emotional Saga.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

2nd best sanneh times piece on 50 this year

massacre = new jersey makes sense to me (though i liked new jersey alot more), new jersey may have been bigger in a way than slippery (or at least at the end of 89 may have been, i'm guessing catalog sales tip heavily in slippery's favor), it had more hits though none of its hits were as big as any of slippery's big 3. massacre might end up having more hits than get rich (this will be a tough task since 50's strategy is 'try to have at least 3 songs on the charts at all times'), but arguably none of them will be as big as 'in da club' (i wouldn't be surprised if 'candy shop', definitely the biggest hit this go round for better or worse, peaked longer than 'in da club' but i ~~hope like hell~~ don't see it getting as much play a year, two years after the fact like 'in da club', the same way that 'i'll be there for you' doesn't get the recurrent play that 'wanted dead or alive' does (despite being the better song)). massacre outselling get rich is very plausible too - 50 was a hell of a lot more famous when massacre came out.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

eminem = glass onion, revolution 1
50 cent = birthday, dear prudence

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Anyone at 50's level of success relies on "persona" to some extent. But I think 50's is more of a variation on a standard issue "stone cold thug" kind of persona, while Eminem has created a more singular narrative around himself and relied more heavily on that narrative.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

eminem = glass onion, revolution 1
50 cent = birthday, dear prudence

Surely Eminem (nowadays) = "Hey Jude"?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

eminem nowadays = paul is dead

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Eminem = Glass Onion, with a dash of "My Mummy's Dead," "How Do You Sleep?" and "Working Class Hero."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Lloyd Banks- "Mind Set On You"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

That idea sounds plausible, the thing is though 50s album didnt actually have any killer singles. They had to bring 'Hate it or Love it' over from Games album for that. Disco inferno was far from addictive.

― Some Guy, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Royce da 5' 9"=Stuart Sutcliffe

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

'hate it or love it' and 'this is how we do' are stronger than any of 50's own singles. this must be the real cause of the beef.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

recent Eminem = Paul McCartney + Wings

― Some Guy, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I rather dig "Just A Lil Bit" and "Candy Shop" more than Get Rich's followup singles.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

The conceit behind this article rings so true to me it's frightening.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

I rather dig "Just A Lil Bit" and "Candy Shop" more than Get Rich's followup singles.
-- Alfred Soto (sotoal...), August 10th, 2005.

insanity.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's insane how much better those songs are than 50's other singles.

― The Ghost of Broken Record (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Wait a minute. Dan, you think "Candy Shop" is better than 50s other singles?

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

I do. "In Da Club" never did much for me.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

was "Many Men" a single? that's my fav 50....

except yeah, N_RQ is right...those Game singles are so much better than anything 50's done lately.....How We Do is right up there with In Da Club....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Who actually likes 50 Cent, the guy? What is there to even like or dislike? He's a blank-faced muscly blank; the songs come out fine, but even his initial spurt of got-shot backstory couldn't make him seem like much more than a blow-up doll. (His muscles even look plasticized!) Whereas Eminem's backstory gets excavated in song and on paper into pretty much the bulk of the show; dude has had hits that weren't even very good but took off thanks largely to their place in the Ongoing Eminem Emotional Saga.

'Course, that'll all change once Fitty's own 8 Mile comes out. GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN', directed by one Jim Sheridan.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

what's Jim Sheridan done before? name doesn't ring a bell....8 Mile was the LA confidential dude right?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

M@tt, I can't tell if you're kidding or not. 8 MILE was indeed Curtis Hanson. Shady/Aftermath has been very, very sharp wrt attracting A-level talent to their rappin' scenarios.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

The role of 50 Cent will be played by Daniel Day-Lewis.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Wait a minute. Dan, you think "Candy Shop" is better than 50s other singles?

Do you remember, like, ANY of the other conversations we've had about 50 Cent and how his singles made me hate his mother?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

I was about to say, deej, do some thread searching. And I have to say I agree with Dan pretty much.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

yall really like 'candy shop'???

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

People disagree on musical worth of various songs by an artist, film at 11.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

what is it about 'candy shop' yall love so much? how many of its babies do you want to have?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

M@tt, I can't tell if you're kidding or not. 8 MILE was indeed Curtis Hanson. Shady/Aftermath has been very, very sharp wrt attracting A-level talent to their rappin' scenarios.

I wasn't kidding, but I ended up IMDBing Sheridan and I'm assuming he's the In the Name of the Father/My Left Foot dude? I don't really follow movies all that closely like music or anything. Wedding Crashers was great though!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I like 8 Mile...I even bought it on DVD....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I need to make myself a 50 Cent instrumental mix CD. I can throw it on and mumble on top and make myself laugh because I don't like his songs (sorta) for the vocals.

― Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Anyone else notice that the Massacre is getting the SPECIAL DVD REISSUE treatment?

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

what is it about 'candy shop' yall love so much?

"Love" is strong. I like the beat, I like the way it supports 50's laconic delivery as opposed to tugging against it, I like that his flow emphasizes the sleazy, muted self-confidence inherent in the lyrics, oh, and I like the beat, which is actually a first for me WRT a 50 Cent track as I really, really am bored or actively hate the beats on the singles from his first album, including the massively, painfully, egregiously overrated "In Da Club" (Casio Preset mix).

how many of its babies do you want to have?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

And everything Dan said about "Candy Shop" is true about "Just a Lil Bit" too, except Fiddy's delivery; it's sly and loping, riding the beat.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry Ned, the song's incredible blandness somehow erased my memory of anyone giving it the love it so clearly deserves.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Fiddy needs someone to give him love:

"I'm into having sex, I ain't into making love
So come give me a hug if you into to getting rubbed "

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

you like "hate it or love it" too, right dan?

i'm w/ deej here -- except for "hate it or love it," i'm not a big fan of the hits offa massacre. the non-hits have been stronger (like "ski-mask way," "in my hood," "i'm supposed to die tonight," and i even like "piggy bank").

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

or more accurately -- "candy shop" and "disco inferno" are OK, but far from the best things offa their parent record; much less as good as "in da club," "wanksta," or "P.I.M.P."

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

"Wanksta" and "P.I.M.P." are both fucking horrible and it makes little cuts in my heart that people find enjoyment in that shit (because it takes away space on radio playlists that could go towards songs I actually like) (only Boston radio kind of shunned "Wanksta", hopefully because of the legion of diseased donkey dick it sucks).

I do like "Hate It Or Love It", primarily for The Game's verses. That chorus is the most phoned-in thing I've heard since "Love Lines", though.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

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xpost not to mention marshall mathers lp at like 11 mil

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure Get Rich outsold MMLP, at least in the span of one year.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Fixed:

best selling rap album since doggystyle during the year it was released.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

well thats a whole other sentence

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

anyway its easy to do 10 mil in a year when you drop in JANUARY!

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

marshall mathers lp is second biggest selling rap album of all time right?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

get rich sold 6 mil in first year, massacre at 4 mil as of APRIL 11 according to riaa; i would not be surprised to find out it's sold over 2 mil in the past four months.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Best selling debut album in soundscan history.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

if you dont count doubles its PLEASE HAMMER DONT HURT EM then mmlp(this is why i count doubles)

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

i thought please hammer was tops even if you do count doubles?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

really? what about guns n roses?

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

that was xpost to 'best selling debut'

yeah those 2 are still on top i think but at least if you count doubles the next is 2pac instead of 'big willie style'

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

i dunno all my info on this seems out of date, i cant believe hammer is still #1 even tho he sold a fuck of alot at the time cuz his back catalog sales gotta be zero compared to marshall mathers

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

The Guinness Book of World Records confirmed that Ace of Base's "The Sign" was the best-selling debut of all time, with 19 million copies sold.

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

ok the riaa site has hammer, biggie, and outkast tied at 10 mil but god knows how long ago that list was updated, 2 2pacs right behind them with all eyez on me and grt hits tied with mmlp, licensed to ill, and big willie style at 9 mil.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

sorry. its 50 cent had the best selling opening week of any debut artist in the soundscan era.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

haha, keep backtracking!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

you know really those are all good albums

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

sorry it's 'in da club' got played a bunch of times on the radio.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I guess The Sign was more of a grower.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

haha i remember reading in usa today i think at the time it got an audience of like 250 MILLION one week

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Whatever dude I checked sources on that one. I was misquoting it previously.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

in da club not ace of base

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

and each one of them heard it 250 million times

― 3, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

trife i was talking on another thread about those usa today numbers - that shit is fascinating, the audience for the number one song usually = the audiences for 2 and 3 COMBINED.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Vinnie Vincent Invasion's debut album was the best-selling debut album in Crysalis Records history....at least it used to be.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Where the fuck is the love for "Outta Control"? WHY hasn't that song been released as a single?? That is hands down the best thing Fiddy's ever done. Hear how he says the word "nigga" in that song? Isn't that awesome??

Oh, and "Just a Little Bit" and "Candy Shop" are both absolute pants.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

It has been released as a single. And it's my favorite single from The Massacre.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

If I Can't is awesome...forgot about that one...love that beat!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Outta Control(rmx) is indeed the best thing he's ever done, heard it on the MTV countdown last weekend and it floored me. It's definitely the only thing from the new album I've cared about so far(haven't heard the album, I assume if there's more cream it'll drift my way sooner or later).

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

I like Outta Control rmx a lot.

― deej.., Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

YSI/gmail the remix por favor?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

Why do some 50 fans consider "Heat" to be a standout track? Maybe it's good as an image booster, but the gunshot snare just pains me... one of few tracks I have to skip on "Get Rich".

Also, found this article on Mike Elizondo, who does some bass/keys/guitar for Dre, 50, etc. [here]

And I remember reading that somebody from Was (Not Was) was involved with Eminem or Dre. Can anybody confirm?

― Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

you guys are talking about a completely different song from Snrub, the remix that's currently a single is different from the album version (which I think is way better).

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

The best thing about 50 is the hilarious new Vitamin Water poster campaign, especially the one where he's reading the Wall Street Journal and his cadre of groupies are sitting in the background, looking bored.

-- polyphonic (polyphoni...), August 10th, 2005

OTM, I keep forgetting to talk to people about that. my favorite picture is the one where he's got the WSJ under one arm and a cute little dog (with a diamond crucifix collar) under the other arm.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

although it'd be better if it had a miniature doggy version of those elaborate spinning G-Unit medallions that Banks and Buck had, obviously.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Why do some 50 fans consider "Heat" to be a standout track

because we love westside organ, and "heat" has the catchiest organ riff since "house of the rising sun".

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and "Just a Little Bit" and "Candy Shop" are both absolute pants.

Hahaha we have just proven by SCIENCE that "Just A Little Bit" and "Candy Shop" are awesome.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I can't really get with all that Scott Storch shit (only good singles he's done since "Lean Back" have been R&B, in my opinion) but "Just A Lil Bit" is I think redeemed somewhat by the funny "Captain Save A Hoe" reference.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

ok NOW lock thread immediately

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

ok NOW

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

HAS 50 CENT EVER PUT OUT A TRACK AS GOOD AS O-SOLO'S "HOW U LOVE THAT"? I NEVER HEARD IT IF HE HAS. NEW O-SOLO ALBUM DROPS IN SEPTEMBER BY THE WAY.

― theprettieststreetteamerinthewholedamnworld (scott seward), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

wait...I put OC remix on yousendit. Al I've heard the original too; s'wack. Someone in my office agreed with you yesterday and I hectored him out of my cubicle. My thunder will not been stolen by the likes of ye.

http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32JRAXLFMXWDD0EDLPOF5AIKQG

...not now! made you look

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

oh no, don't hector me! anyway you said you hadn't heard the album, so I thought you meant you hadn't heard the original OC either.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 11 August 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

the Fugees the Score sold over 10 mil.

― Some Guy, Thursday, 11 August 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

At the UKMIX forum there is every week a new thread with the analysis of US charts. As of last week, The Massacre moved something like 4.1 m, and Encore 4.7 m. Also strangely, of all of the newly released Dirty South rappers, biggest selling is Mike Jones with 900 k, Jeezy could do the same numbers, but Slim probably only about 500 k.
One more thing, Sufjan moved 20 k.

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26059&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

― Coffee and Cigarettes Guy (abu), Thursday, 11 August 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

i doubt eminem cares about his own record sales much as he co-owns a record label that includes 4 or 5 of the worlds biggest selling artists.

― bn, Thursday, 11 August 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)

Shady records (which I always assumed Eminem owned 100% of) has Obie Trice, D12 signed and half the contract on 50 Cent and Stat Quo. 50 Cent is the only really big seller there.

― Some Guy, Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

from Confounded's article on Mike Elizondo " :

The duo co-wrote four songs for his Get Rich Or Die Tryin’ album, including the breakthrough hit, “In Da Club.”

“[Dre & I] actually wrote the track six months before, but the artist we were working on at the time passed on it,” recalled Elizondo.

whoever passed on In Da Club has got to be kicking themselves.

This past July (2004), Elizondo & Dr. Dre traveled to Orlando, FL to write songs for Eminem’s latest album, Encore. “We went to Orlando to do the album, because it was a way that Em could bring his kids; he works best with his kids nearby,” said Elizondo.

Yeah, cuz Encore's really his best work. Maybe if he forgot he had kids he wouldn't be so moronically juvenile. "you make my pee-pee go da-doing-doing-doing"

― Some Guy, Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

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