TS: "Pieces Of You" vs "Fat Boy"

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On which song did Jewel best capture the pathos of the socially oppressed?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

i thought extreme did "fat boy"

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

Fat boy
Goes to the pool
Sees his reflection
Doesn’t know what to do
He feels little inside
And filed with pride
Oh, fragile flame
When no one sees the same
Fat boy
Goes about his day
Trying to think of funny
Things to say
Like, this is just a game I play,
And I like me this way.
Oh, fragile flame
When no one feels the same
Hush, sleep
Don’t think
Just eat
You’re daddy’s little boy
You’re momma’s pride and joy
You know they love ya
But not because they hold ya
And fat boy says
Wouldn’t it be nice?
If I could melt myself like ice
Or outrun my skin
And just be pure wind?

Oh, fragile flame
Sometimes I feel the same

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

i'm a little taken aback!

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

NO ONE WROTE SONGS ABOUT YOUR FUCKED UP TEETH JEWEL

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

My coworkers and I are formulating a theory that Jewel has a song for every oppressed minority du jour. A couple of albums now we will be treated to her magnificent opus Mousy Girl With The Club Foot ("Running from the pain/Or hobbling, it's all the same").

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

Snaggletooth
Goes to the bathroom
Sees her reflection
Doesn’t know what to do
She feels little inside
Except crooked teeth against her tongue
Oh, fragile flame
When no one sees the same
Snaggletooth
Never laughs wide
Or smiles when guys walk by
They like her tits
But alas those gnarled chicklets
Hidden behind her lips
Oh, fragile flame
When no one feels the same
Hush, sleep
Don’t think
Just grind your teeth
You’re daddy’s little girl
You’re momma’s whole world
Never know the feel of a drill
Because they won't pay the orthodontists bill
And snaggletooth says
Wouldn’t it be nice?
If I could spit them out one by one
Or get punched in the mouth
And then just Fixadent and forget it

Oh, fragile flame
Sometimes I feel the same

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

jess totally followed his heart and his intuition there, eh

― maura (maura), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

omg

― The Ghost of Black Extreme ROFFLEs (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha, amazing. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

What would her song about unquenchable body odor reek be about?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

"Hoagie Pits (The Ballad of Ned Raggett)"

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

j/k

― strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

*weeps*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

haha ned's got hoagie pits

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

And don't that Cheez Whiz get runny.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

you don't put cheez whiz on a hoagie you doob!

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

"don't forget the mustard on my filet mignon, good sir!"

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

What the fuck, Harvell, YOU told me that was essential to a hoagie once. I can't help it if you were lying your ass off to me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

hey yall seen that target 'baby got back (to school that is!)' ad?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

ned he was referring to a philly chz surely. less weed dude.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

What is this 'weed' of which you speak.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

ned i will not stand for this level of defamation! there are already goons from south philly standing by to break my kneecaps!

xpost: (no whz on my stk plz)

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

We will chalk it up to the confusion of the times. Whenever those times were.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

so yall seen it? 'i like backpacks and i cannot lie'? i'm kinda depressed about it

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Haven't heard about it but I have to say I'm not surprised. YOUR YOUTH IS BOUGHT AND SOLD.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

they managed to ruin ASS

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

You cannot ruin ass. Don't make me post that Speedo pic again.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 12 August 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

WHEN WILL THAT SPRING BREAK STOP HAUNTING ME

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

What speedo pic?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 12 August 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

HI TIM!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 12 August 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

OMG There was someone on the subway today with hoagie pits, shoulders, back, hips and crotch.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 August 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

HI DAVE!

On-topic: I haven't heard or don't remember "Fat Boy", but "Pieces of You" is totally classic: "FAAGOOOOTT! FAAGOOOOT!"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 12 August 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

"Fat Boy" is thematically and sonically the exact same song, only instead of passing the angst around it's all focused on one "jolly" little fellow (who never gets a name besides "Fat Boy" so how much empathy can she really be showing).

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

maybe it's about HIRSOSHIMA

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

oh wait, no, that's not right

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

actually, given jewel, it's not a bad assumption

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Jess, if you can get a critical analysis of "Fat Boy" as a Hiroshima allegory, I will give you my personal equivalent of $8,000,000,000,000 (ie, a Pez dispenser).

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

"Fat boy"

conflating manhattan project mythologies.

"Goes to the pool"

pacific theater.

"Sees his reflection"

self-explanatory, i should think.

"Doesn’t know what to do"

the pilot's crisises of confidence as they approach japan.

"He feels little inside"

numbed from the horrors of war.

"And filed with pride"

yet still knowing they are doing their patriotic duty.

"Oh, fragile flame"

of democracy

"When no one sees the same"

the otherization of the enemy during wartime (cf. "slap a jap")

"Fat boy"

see number one.

"Goes about his day"

the basic operations of the enola gay.

"Trying to think of funny
Things to say"

making jokes to pass the time/ease the nervousness.

"Like, this is just a game I play,"

the idea of all of their targets being giant chess pieces at that height

"And I like me this way."

again, proud of their work.

"Oh, fragile flame
When no one feels the same"

see above.

"Hush, sleep
Don’t think
Just eat"

now, this is where it really gets artful because she leaves it up to us as to whether or not she is referring to the japanese below them or their families/friends at home blissfully unaware of the task they are about to undertake

"You’re daddy’s little boy
You’re momma’s pride and joy"

referring to the scientists at los alamos most likely

"You know they love ya
But not because they hold ya"

the blind eye that produced the "end the war any way necessary so long as it doesnt reach american soil" philosophy

"And fat boy says
Wouldn’t it be nice?
If I could melt myself like ice
Or outrun my skin
And just be pure wind?"

again is she anthropomorphizing the bomb or discussing the impact and its aftermath? or both?

"Oh, fragile flame
Sometimes I feel the same"

see above.

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

ahem.

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

a night without armor indeed

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Argh, I left out the word "published"! Still, I owe you a Pez dispenser!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

dan this is actually my entry for marooned!

― strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...

Haha this thread needs to be revived.

― Dan ("Snaggletooth") Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

So did you cough up the Pez dispenser or what?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

haha was i drunk on this thread or what?

― jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

And snaggletooth says
Wouldn’t it be nice?
If I could spit them out one by one
Or get punched in the mouth
And then just Fixadent and forget it

― jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

I am presenting Jess with a Pez dispenser the next time I'm in B-Town.

― Dan ("Slap A Jap" OMG) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

You're beautiful
You're beautiful
You're beautiful
It's true

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha slap a jap

― jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

http://www.miqel.com/images_1/random_image/r1/actually-real.jpg

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

amazingly this is NOT the first google response for "hoagie pits"

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.authentichistory.com/ww2/music/1941_SM_Were_Gonna_Have_To_Slap_The_Dirty_Little_Jap_1-med.jpg

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.authentichistory.com/ww2/music/19420218_Were_Gonna_Have_To_Slap_The_Dirty_Little_Jap-Lucky_Millinder.jpg

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

people were racist in the 40s!

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.dcmegasite.com/forum/attachments/249_4_014.jpg

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

i can't find anymore u_u

― strongohulkington, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

This was and is still so awesome.

― HI DERE, Friday, 9 November 2007 22:41 (seventeen years ago)

fat boy was stupkd

― Surmounter, Friday, 9 November 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago)

still my finest hour.

― strongohulkington, Friday, 9 November 2007 22:52 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.lileks.com/patriotica/misc/hiro.jpg

― HI DERE, Friday, 9 November 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago)

i have to say this is not how i first pictured hirohito

― strongohulkington, Friday, 9 November 2007 22:56 (seventeen years ago)

EMPEROR HIROHITO really looks like... shall we say a DROOP?

Perhaps we shall!

― HI DERE, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

did people really go around slapping people that much in the 40s?

― strongohulkington, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago)

It was a different, simpler time then.

― HI DERE, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago)

thanks to racism, we would have been in different units of the army, dan, but still united in slapping a jap

― strongohulkington, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jg-4GaRBM

― sorry i poisoned u with nachos :( (HI DERE), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:41 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Hush, sleep
Don’t think
Just eat
You’re daddy’s little boy
You’re momma’s pride and joy
You know they love ya
But not because they hold ya

fyi the woman who wrote this is now judging a songwriting competition

― DJP, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)

She found her level.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)

american jap-slappers

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)

hahaha i never saw this thread before

― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

amazingly this is NOT the first google response for "hoagie pits"
― strongohulkington, Tuesday, April 17, 2007

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)

I still owe you a Pez dispenser

― DJP, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)

four years pass...

And I still owe you a Pez dispenser

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 13 July 2015 21:22 (ten years ago)

this thread killed me

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 13 July 2015 23:06 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

Deserves a Genius feature.

"Fat boy"
conflating manhattan project mythologies.
"Goes to the pool"
pacific theater.
"Sees his reflection"
self-explanatory, i should think.
"Doesn’t know what to do"
the pilot's crisises of confidence as they approach japan.
"He feels little inside"
numbed from the horrors of war.
"And filed with pride"
yet still knowing they are doing their patriotic duty.
"Oh, fragile flame"
of democracy
"When no one sees the same"
the otherization of the enemy during wartime (cf. "slap a jap")
"Fat boy"
see number one.
"Goes about his day"
the basic operations of the enola gay.
"Trying to think of funny
Things to say"
making jokes to pass the time/ease the nervousness.
"Like, this is just a game I play,"
the idea of all of their targets being giant chess pieces at that height
"And I like me this way."
again, proud of their work.
"Oh, fragile flame
When no one feels the same"
see above.
"Hush, sleep
Don’t think
Just eat"
now, this is where it really gets artful because she leaves it up to us as to whether or not she is referring to the japanese below them or their families/friends at home blissfully unaware of the task they are about to undertake
"You’re daddy’s little boy
You’re momma’s pride and joy"
referring to the scientists at los alamos most likely
"You know they love ya
But not because they hold ya"
the blind eye that produced the "end the war any way necessary so long as it doesnt reach american soil" philosophy
"And fat boy says
Wouldn’t it be nice?
If I could melt myself like ice
Or outrun my skin
And just be pure wind?"
again is she anthropomorphizing the bomb or discussing the impact and its aftermath? or both?
"Oh, fragile flame
Sometimes I feel the same"
see above.
― strng hlkngtn, Friday, August 12, 2005 1:56 PM (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― to pimp a barfly (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 14:52 (eight years ago)

STRONGO, I ACTUALLY HAVE A PEZ DISPENSER I CAN GIVE YOU

― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)

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