― jess, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
(a 6 CD set of dj frenchbloke boots? jesus, how long has this been going on?)
― Tom, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― helenfordsdale, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― michael, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― bnw, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Previous related question is here; I'd be happy to see some additional opinions on my question ;-)
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
side note: where the hell is pazz and jop?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The interesting thing about the Sugababes/Girls on Top thing is that it actually works better than the GoT/Adina Howard-sampled original purely because of the fact that the Sugababes are actively contributing "humanity" to the record - and again, it will make much more sense and have much more purpose when the thing actually comes out commercially and gets to #1. At the moment it's like scribbling comedy cigars and moustaches all over the cover of your "Is This It" CD - yes very good, now what else can you do?
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― michael, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I mean, if you dig it, then dig it, but I'm just getting fed up with "meta-commentary" and self-reference (ironic or not) in music - it's just running away from the experience of absorbing yourself completely in music, in surrendering to music for its own sake, not because it reminds you of something that topped the charts when you were nine.
Again, perhaps symptomatic of creeping conservatism (or not?) but I would much rather sit down now and listen to a group like The Necks, doing something with traditional instruments that has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, than a 10CD-worth box set of Missy meets ver Strokes. Like I said previously, the bootlegging thing is already saddled down by its own "tradition."
Sorry to quote you so snarkily Marcello - I have some sympathy with what you're saying but I think bootlegs both are and aren't novelty and are and aren't ironic - I think the shelf-life of the scene is short and the quality I see in them is maybe accidental (as far as I can tell all the people making them are making 'proper music' too and caring more about that) - but I theorised myself out of my armchair and down to the club last week and that really really helped. As someone in a dance message board review said, hearing 'proper' dance music - dance music without the potential of a punchline, so to speak - sounded stale afterwards. The similarities between the naughty hip-hop aesthetic then and the bootlegging scene now are crucial of course but the differences are important too. What's struck me so much about the bootleg CD I've been playing is that with the good ones - like any good 'comedy' really - you know when the joke is coming and you get it and you still love it, and also you can get something that isn't just comedy out of it too.
Hopefully I can explain all this a lot better in the article I'm writing.
― Tom, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Reasons why I like it summarise to:
i) same reasons I like any good remix.
ii) same reasons I liked Orange Juice, Scritti Politti, and the Happy Mondays.
― Alan Trewartha, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Yeah okay fair enough Marcello, but Girls On Top are doing the opposite I think - using stuff from the past to remind the listener of the here and now, only in a slightly eerie manner. That's where the culture shock is; again like The Avalanches (whose entire purpose IMO is to take the irony out of kitsch sampladelica) the best thing about GOT is that it's *not* what it initially appears to be (an early-eighties revivalist project).
― Tim, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)