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Dylan wins! Missy wins! A handful of FT affiliates sell out and join critical establishment! Including me! But my list is really boring!

Here it is

― Tom, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

However - THANKS TO MY VOTES DAFT PUNK IS HIGHER THAN MACY GRAY AND SYSTEM OF A DOWN AND STEPHEN MALKMUS!!

(And Basement Jaxx is higher than Gillian Welch, sorry Marcello...)

― Tom, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whither Radiohead on thy list, cockfarmer?

― David Raposa, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All the other ones were better.

I wish I'd done comments now - I was relaunching the site which gives me some excuse - but I saw Ally and Tim's comments just now and thought "YAY!".

― Tom, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A choice comment from Tim Grierson:

In the time it's taken you to read this sentence, Ryan Adams has written two more songs.

Unspoken corollary: like the rest of his music, it's tedious codswallop. (Now here's hoping he reads this and calls up and complains to me so I can laugh at him.)

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and more proof why Chuck Eddy is The Man:

Basically—and I honestly can't imagine that most people who didn't lose a loved one in those buildings or get called to active military duty are all that different—9-11 had a profound effect on my musical tastes and listening habits for, hmmmm, two weeks or so. By my count, there were just as many leaden and lethargic fifth-generation grunge hacks bogging down the airwaves in July as there were in November. Maybe by summer they'll all shoot themselves.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Chris, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

BEn Folds, RObbie Fulks, Eliza Carthy were all in the list but not nearly high enough ( ie in the top ten) , howeveri was pleased by vespertine. V. V. Pleased

― anthony, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh i hated the new dyaln but the new cohen grew on me and i think bonnie prince billioe is a bit precious

― anthony, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

BPB gets in for the final track which is the best song about domestic bliss to come along in a dog's age (and that great synth-whine opening!). It's all good, though, and not nearly as precious as the previous BPB album though if you don't like Will Oldham anyway 'Ease Down The Road' will probably not change your mind.

(Oldham = probably the most consistent artist I listen to. His albums always end up in any lists I make and they always end up in some lowly spot. The rest of the year shapes itself around the relative quality of the Will Oldham release, is my pet theory.)

Can't stand Cohen's classic material so I've not tried the new one but the Dylan I was listening to only today and I'm not unhappy it won. If I was Bob I'd be cursing the timing of its release though - coming out on September 11th allowed so many critics the opportunity to hang dubious apocalypse garlands around Love And Theft when for me its one of those Dylan records - like New Morning, another big favourite - whose slightness and lack of significance is its greatest strength.

― Tom, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh i hated the new dyaln but the new cohen grew on me and i think bonnie prince billioe is a bit precious
The new Dylan was ok but quite conventional and much less impressive than "Time out of Mind". Almost like Ryan Adams "Gold" which was quite a letdown after the brilliant "Heartbreaker". The new Cohen is indeed very good Anthony, I praised it in its thread. I got quite tired of Bonnie Prince Billy. He seems to sing the same song all over and over again. It was all in the first Palace Brothers which was sufficient for me.

― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But Gillian Welch WOULD have come higher if the Voice had asked me for MY list which they DIDN'T but then again my e-mail was down at the time so will never know whether they contacted me or not my chance of media stardom gone GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The worst 2001 list yet, although I agree about 'Love & Theft', which I would put #2 after 'Survivor', but this is a really shit list.

― dave q, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The list is really bad. I just checked my top ten. Five of them (Howe's Confluence, Calexico's Aerocalexico, Joy Division's Bains Douches Live, Fink and Jeff Beck) were not even in the 1000+ albums of Pazz&Jopp. And there were albums from 2000 like Kid A and Songs from the City in there! The other 5 were Radiohead (#5), New Order (#22), Cohen (#50), REM (#51) and Kings of Convenience (#120).

― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not had time to study the full results yet, but: TOM DIDN'T VOTE FOR KYLIE shock! Not even in the singles. Ally's lists are class. Must get that The Coup LP.

― Jeff W, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kylie was #11 on both lists! A decision I now regret grr - she'd edge out playgroup on the albums and pulp on the singles.

― Tom, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Josie and the Pussycats soundtrack is waaaay low. And all the Jay-z indifferent to mocking types in the comments section can bite me. Says less about music than the critical establishment -- with a few exceptions (hello ILX, hello Eddy, Reynolds, Wolk &c.) they were pretty uniformly weak in response to S11. And whoever knocked the coup album cover should just go fuck off and die.

Also, seeing Tim and Ally's comments among all those quoted reminded me of how v. talented they both are as writers -- they more than held their own.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pah! I hereby retire.

― lee g, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, notice disappointing Jane Dark quote which sez A: the midwest has no culture and B: almost makes the opening bleebles of a Nelly Furtado song sound avant-garde, except as Jane well knows, Timba mixed that last single (or at least the version in rotation round here) and thus they ARE avant-garde!

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and to think i thought i couldn't find a consensus top 10 that was more predictable than the one at my soon-to-be-former job. i really can't believe how many points bob dylan got, i mean really i guess i can because well look at the demographics of the bulk of voters but still, well, feh.

― maura, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Christgau sez interesting things about the Dylan vote - he'd have still won by a landslide if voting had been restricted to under 40s, BUT only 19 of his 300 or so votes were from women.

― Tom, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I rilly don't get how The Coup did so well, considering that for all their strengths, at least ten albums this last year topped their beats by a mile and a half.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

uh, hello, publicity that money cannot buy at all. it works.

― maura, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah. The list is crap, what's the matter with these people?

― Ally, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The list is dire, but I suppose that's the issue with lists compiling from so many critics. All of the individual weirdness is sanded off by the crushing weight of the multitudes, and stuff like Dylan rises to the top partially because it's the only thing most people can agree on. (This is obvious, though.) I always prefer the individual lists instead, because there's a lot more character to it that way. Yay Ally for including Crystal Days!

― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I was going to say, that was Way Cool of Ally, methinks. :-)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thumbs up to the people listing Lightning Bolt on their SINGLES lists. That's all I have to offer to this discussion, thank you.

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, yeah, I'm like the coolest person alive, etc. I honestly couldn't think of anything much greater to be honest, I wasn't fond of like any album last year.

― Ally, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pazz & Jop Awards: Best commentary was by Lissa Townsend Rodgers, the depressed girl. I also like Sheffield's first couple of paragraphs (before he started complaining that it was a bad year for pop). Absolutely nothing anyone said about the Dylan LP gave me the slightest idea why anybody would care about the thing. Perhaps nobody does; voters simply thought it was good music. That's why I gave it 5 points, after all.

Ally and Tim did far better than hold their own. In general, though, I think - I know - that the people who wrote comments could have done way better if they hadn't gone into rock-critic mode.

― Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So few of the comments seemed, well, lively. Or fun.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking of which, this little gem was pointed out to me recently:

http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/01/pjtate.php

Is this dude for real?

― Joe, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

4 REAL more like.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And he name-checks Dhalgren = good enough for me.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe only 9 people voted for Unwound. And one of them was me and two others were friends of mine. Did no one hear this record or did no one get it?

― Yancey, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just another tip of the hat to Tim, who's comments were the most enjoyable of the bunch.

― bnw, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah, that Unwound record was mighty great. Or however you want to put it, but yer not alone, Yancey.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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