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New York Times
August 29, 2005
Garage Rock Meets Garage Critics

A few weeks ago on "Entourage," HBO's series about a rising Hollywood star named Vince Chase and the posse of former Queens buddies he runs with, the plot involved a media antagonist conspiring to complicate his career. So who would don the villain's mustache and threaten Vince's starring role in an "Aquaman" movie? Perhaps a reporter or columnist from Variety, The Hollywood Reporter or Entertainment Weekly?

Nah. It was some geek named R. J. whose comics Web site gets a million hits a day.

The writers of "Entourage" are onto something. The nexus of influence has shifted in the last few years. Destroying someone's career or pulling work from obscurity used to be the province of well-financed mass and trade publications, but now anybody with a voice strong enough to stand out on the Web can have a real impact - and maybe make a couple of bucks in the process.

Pitchfork Media is a case in point. Started by Ryan Schreiber in his parents' house in suburban Minneapolis in 1995, Pitchfork (pitchforkmedia.com) has emerged as one of the more important indie music tastemakers in any medium, with 125,000 unique visitors a day and only three full-time employees. Bands like Arcade Fire, Broken Social Scene and Modest Mouse have all received digital love from Pitchfork and soon after have sold hundreds of thousands of records. Web-based record retailers like Insound report big spikes in sales every time Pitchfork fires up a bandwagon. (Last month, the site curated the much-acclaimed Intonation Music Festival in Chicago.)

And perhaps not coincidentally, Pitchfork is home to the kind of full-on rant-think piece-takedown that was once the specialty of long-and-strong journalism legends like Greil Marcus and Lester Bangs. If someone were going to make "Almost Famous" for the current age, the young journalist on the rise would probably be filing hourly to a Web site his mom never heard of.

THE writing on Pitchfork is much like the alternative weeklies of another era that covered every wiggle and wobble of the music scene - some of it is nonsense and much of it is unwieldy, but it is ambitious and passionately prosecuted. It is a compelling argument against people who suggest that young consumers will not read more than a screen's worth of text, flourishing at a time when mainstream music magazines like Rolling Stone, Blender and Spin have squeezed many of their music reviews down to 18-word blurb.

In that sense, Pitchfork has the same sense of mission as Ain't It Cool News, a site that treats film as hilarious fetish, or Engadget, a place where the pocket-protector set meets to deconstruct every new electronic doohickey the minute it comes out.

"Pitchfork is in touch with a large group of people who put a lot of faith in what they say," said Ken Weinstein, who handles press for Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, a band that few people had heard of months ago but has been riding the Pitchfork up-alator. With no label, it is now selling more than 1,000 records week, Mr. Weinstein said. "Clap Your Hands were together for a year and a half and then suddenly Pitchfork got ahold of their record and it was like a wildfire," he said.

But in a downloaded, mashed-up, genre-crossing musical age, Pitchfork may fall outside the mainstream. Craig Marks is the editor in chief of Blender, which covers a lot of musical real estate, not just indie rock but also rap, industrial and pop.

"With us, it's about the songs," he said. "Pitchfork is like this utopian hippie outpost, where people are pure and bohemian and have great values. Their implicit message is that there is a huge corrupt recording industry and they have decided to band together and fight the good fight."

Mr. Schreiber acknowledges that his writers generally take a dim view of the business. But for the most part, he said, he thinks they have found a model that can scale far beyond his original expectations.

"Actually, I think things have gone from small to big on the Web," he said. "In print, you can only go as high as your distribution, and we would have never been able to pay for circulation, paper and mailing to reach the kind of audience we have. We have gotten very big without being really big."

Xeni Jardin, a writer who is also co-editor of Boing Boing, a Web site that describes itself as a "compendium of wonderful things," says there is a new credibility to the Web as a scout for what is coming over the horizon.

"At this moment in our cultural history, a lot of the better content on the Web is seen as unmediated and more honest," she said. "More and more, people are looking to blogs for the real lowdown."

And a blog does not have to be about the next undiscovered musical gem to earn a link, that clickable word-of-mouth that gives the Web its viral majesty.

In an odd way, Pitchfork shares the virulent politics that drive a lot of the traffic in the blogosphere and on the Web. Much discussion on the site is about who has sold out and who has not, about how the Mainstream Media is clueless about music (guilty as charged, in my case, anyway) and who is actually down for the cause.

While so much user-generated content on the Web is tendentious and full of flabby partisan attacks, Pitchfork steps up to the plate with a rigorous rating system, serious (if idiosyncratic) critical standards and a roster of 40 or so talented young writers.

In a current review of "Love Kraft," by the Super Furry Animals, the writer, Marc Hogan, gives the record an 8.5 - so precise, those rockists - and in his rave goes over the top and stays there to very nice effect.

"Whatever its etymology, Love Kraft is a utopian epic, a sweeping musical argument for love in the time of Fallujah," he writes. "In that sense, it's vintage S.F.A., with even its departures underscoring the band's long-established strengths. The leftist politics are less overt, but just as potent; the compositions more focused, but still mad as a Lewis Carroll hatter; the pop more rockin', yet probably more accessible to noobs."

Whatever noobs are. Maybe a smaller, cuddlier version of newbies?

But then, that is part of the point. The Web is a place where tribe is built and serviced by likeminded folks who thrive on the insiderness of it all. There is a common language, common values and a belief that whatever obsession is being serviced, it is the right one to have.

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Let me service your obsession.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Craig Marks is the editor in chief of Blender, which covers a lot of musical real estate, not just indie rock but also rap, industrial and pop.

wtf

latebloomer: funky like a monkey and as cool as a cat (latebloomer), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Who wrote that?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

David Carr in the business section...

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

In that sense, Pitchfork has the same sense of mission as Ain't It Cool News, a site that treats film as hilarious fetish, or Engadget, a place where the pocket-protector set meets to deconstruct every new electronic doohickey the minute it comes out.

gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

But in a downloaded, mashed-up, genre-crossing musical age

Now if we could just think of an acronym for this...

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

And it's not DMUGCMA...

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

mashed-up, downloaded:

MUDL'd

gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

(Last month, the site curated the much-acclaimed Intonation Music Festival in Chicago.)

groan....

I will now curate myself in the head with a hammer.

It is a compelling argument against people who suggest that young consumers will not read more than a screen's worth of text, flourishing at a time when mainstream music magazines like Rolling Stone, Blender and Spin have squeezed many of their music reviews down to 18-word blurb.

And yet at the same time it is also a compelling argument for 18-word blurbs. A conundrum.


PB, Monday, 29 August 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

did I miss the memo that says every time someone writes about Pitchfork anywhere we have to scrutinize the article like it was the fucking code of Hammurabi or something

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

"Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared pop, to bring about the rule of indieness in the land, to destroy the mainstream and the MTV-watchers..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Is it not mildly interesting to see what the professed musically ignorant think of what's happening in the world of criticism and indie labels?

If not, I take it all back.

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

"Pitchfork affects our lives too, maaaaan!"

latebloomer: not just indie rock but also rap, industrial and pop. (latebloomer), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, a band that few people had heard of months ago but has been riding the Pitchfork up-alator.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Man, why didn't I make that the thread title?

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

no personal slight intended man, it's just...y'know...4000 years of human beings making music, infinite possibilities for discussion, yet any time Pitchfork gets mentioned in print it's like "thank God, finally we have something to talk about" around here

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Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

up-alator! woah!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

I mean it's like watching some of our best and brightest scientists goin' "Hey, Fred, check it out: two atoms of hydrogen and one of water and what do you suppose I got?" and then discussing it for about four hours once a week

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

No dis either, but:

"Hey, anybody want to talk about music from 1994 B.C.?"

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit, there are 21 other mentions of the word "up-alator" on the intraeweb!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=up-alator&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Ironically enough, an album that actually featured a song called "Digital Love" got beat to shit by Pitchfork.

disco violence (disco violence), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I mean it's like watching some of our best and brightest scientists goin' "Hey, Fred, check it out: two atoms of hydrogen and one of water and what do you suppose I got?" and then discussing it for about four hours once a week

Or two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen, even

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Or two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen, even
BAAAAHAHAHA damn lousy cold medicine

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Add one more carbon atom and you get formaldehyde

donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

While I don't usually agree with Pitchfork's taste, I think I'd like to see more bands make it via similar up-alator models rather than via the music industry's highly volatile space shuttle program.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

In a current review of "Love Kraft," by the Super Furry Animals, the writer, Marc Hogan, gives the record an 8.5 - so precise, those rockists

OH NO

hahaha

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

"The Illudium Q-36 Explosive Pitchfork Upalator!!!!!...delays, delays..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

"there was supposed to be an Earth-shattering 9.3!"

disco violence (disco violence), Monday, 29 August 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/images/2000-2001_chuck_photo1.jpg

"I claim this musical meme in the name of Pitchfork...ooo...isn't that LOVELY?"

(To the right, Jann Wenner.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

And henceforth my screen name for all message boards, instant-messaging services and hipster-porn sites shall be: Precise Rockist.

Er, ahem, NOT.

marc h. (marc h.), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

haha that's one of the better twists on rockism i've seen

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

"ppl who like rock! alot! also numbers"

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

I mean even if I don't like Clap Your Hands Say Blah, I am still kind of excited by the idea of an unsigned band selling 1000 copies a week due mostly to the internet.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

btw what is actually in the fucking code of hammurabi?? all i know is from larry gonick, and that's that the punishment for some crimes that yr "teeth shall be bashed with bricks"

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

"With us, it's about the songs," he said."

i thought it was about the boobies.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Hammurabi Code = eye for an eye.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

(Last month, the site curated the much-acclaimed Intonation Music Festival in Chicago.)

"curated"

"much-acclaimed"

the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

This article bugged the hell out of me. The writer skimmed the 'Fork a couple of times and wrote something that was worse and more out of date than the first "hey, there's this website for the indie kids" stories that started running a year ago.

- Pitchfork, AICN and BoingBoing.net are completely different websites - Carr lumps them together to bolster some kind of "niche fanbases are affecting the mainstream" argument that he never finishes making. AICN tries to influence multi-million dollar comic book movies so that the writers can get flown to sets in Australia. (Wired explored this in more depth in a recent story about The Fantastic Four, but their story was pretty lousy too.)

Pitchfork talks up bands that end up selling a couple hundred thousand albums tops. The last product that BoingBoing plugged was vagina-in-a-can. Each one has its own story, I don't see why he lumps them together.

- "Talented younger writers" - he assumes everyone on staff is 18 and still writing for the high school newspaper - that's just factually wrong and lazy. Most of the 'Fork writes for alt-weeklies and glossies, a third of the staff's over 30.

- Pitchfork doesn't sit around trashing the mainstream media. He's thinking of blogs like Instapundit.

- What kind of a hack do you have to be post-1997 to ask for and print a quote like, "At this moment in our cultural history, a lot of the better content on the Web is seen as unmediated and more honest." Thanks Carr for giving us that zeitgeist-defining observation, but Amazon started running customer reviews maybe eight years ago.

- Fucking Blender's talking shit about Pitchfork? Blender is a magazine about titties and binge drinking. Pitchfork only looks "bohemian" compared to Blender, which is just a lifestyle magazine. It's also just funny to think that Blender has broader taste than the 'Fork, but I don't blame this guy for missing that.

But my real problem is that nobody has written the story that places Pitchfork in context. They talk about how Pitchfork is doing something new (and maybe amateur) because it's on the web. But they ignore that blogs, message boards and even web-friendlier sites like Stylus are outpacing the 'Fork in terms of making crit more dynamic, immediate (and often, even more amateur). Somebody could write a great New Yorker-style story about that continuum, from print to blogging, and where a site like the 'Fork really sits. Instead, I just hear the same lazy cliches.

This is almost as bad as the critic last week who decided to write about web comics and spent the whole article complaining that her monitor was too small to read them. Sometimes the NYT impresses me with how well they understand new technologies and media, but when they bomb, they really bomb.

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

maybe they're using the same definition for "young people" that my local paper seems to -- anyone under 35

mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

the reviews section in Blender is actually quite good; Christgau writes for them, so Douglas Wolk, so do a long list of really good music writers. Me, I dislike the "hey look at our magazine, it's got tittays" approach way way more than most people, I mean I am kinda old-school feminist about commodification of women's bodies 'n' all that but still I cannot front on Blender's reviews section because it's really good and it really does cover a broader range of stuff than pretty much anybody 'k thanks I am done defending the tittay magazine with the excellent reviews section thanks bye

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

I'll buy that, and some 'Forkers also write reviews for Blender. But I've read three features in the magazine and they were asinine - "I ask Conor Oberst about his drinking," "I go drinking with L'il Jon's posse," and I don't even remember the other one.

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

I would like someone to prove (via SoundScan figures perhaps) that Clap Your Hands are really selling 1,000 copies a week. I am willing to bet that is a HIGHLY inlfated figure, if not completely misleading. Like maybe one week they sold a thousand (often internet presale totals are considered for a single week, which is how band's you've never heard of get on Billboard's indie charts) and now they are quoting that as a weekly average. My guess is that this is simply lazy journalism. Otherwise, by year's end Clap will have to have sold close to 30K, right?

rolester, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

But in a downloaded, mashed-up, genre-crossing musical age, Pitchfork may fall outside the mainstream. Craig Marks is the editor in chief of Blender, which covers a lot of musical real estate, not just indie rock but also rap, industrial and pop.

"With us, it's about the songs," he said. "Pitchfork is like this utopian hippie outpost, where people are pure and bohemian and have great values. Their implicit message is that there is a huge corrupt recording industry and they have decided to band together and fight the good fight."

it's like they know us better than we know ourselves.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

It's been number one at Insound for a very long time. When did the Clap Your Hands album take off? Most review sites covered it mid June, right? Well, if I go by that, then there would be 27 weeks left in the year -- 27,000 units by year's end at a 1000 sold weekly. Seems reasonable.

van der who (van smack), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

SoundScan is not an accurate measure of many indie releases' sales since many of them are sold through non SoundScan retailers.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

you know what's really good about the nytimes? The potato chips in the cafeteria. Other then that I have nothing to add.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

I read a piece on PF in the National Post a year or two ago, wrote this excessively cruel letter to the guy who wrote it, he responded really politely, and then a while later he showed up here. This happens a lot, doesn't it.

LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

The Arcade DIRE!

the firefox, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

When will the madness end?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ska.ru/images/2tone/BCHOSBpose.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

"SoundScan is not an accurate measure of many indie releases' sales since many of them are sold through non SoundScan retailers"

basically true, although its supposed to be adjusted to reflect indie-store sales too from what i understand

noizem duke (noize duke), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

The nail:
"Much discussion on the site is about who has sold out and who has not,
punk rawk rulezzz

about how the Mainstream Media is clueless about music (guilty as charged, in my case, anyway)
But Carr is still so hip like that.

haha

and who is actually down for the cause"
Too hip to be a square.

mox twelve (Mox twleve), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)


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