Future of Music Coalition's Policy Summit 2005, (Sept. 11-13, 2005) Washington, DC)

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Moving into its fifth year in 2005, the FMC Policy Summit is a forum for musicians, lawyers, academics, policymakers and music industry executives to come together to discuss and debate some of the most contentious issues surrounding digital technology, artists’ rights and the current state of the music industry.

Anyone else headed to the summit this year? I'll be in town for Sunday's and Monday's sessions.

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

im the official event photographer. feel free to say hello!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

$149 for three-day pass
$99 for one-day pass

I don't think so. Plus I'm too busy at work. I may go see members of the Mekons for free at the Kennedy Center Friday night at 6 (that show is sponsored by the FMC)

steve k, Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the one day pass is expensive but thats why they make the 3 day pass pretty reasonable. considering the number of amazing panels, i think its kinda worth it.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 5 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

$150 for three days of panel-speak on how hard it is now to make money in the music business?? People who go are paying for the shows I'd wager. The panel w/Mitch Bainwol (RIAA) and Shawn Fanning looked like the only one that held potential for even mild controversy. I was struck by the near total absence of journalists/writers, save for Jeff Chang on the sampling panel. Is this because they weren't invited or because most j/w's aren't especially interested in the legal and technological issues currently rocking the industry?

fans of BOC and the Clash take note:
Sandy Pearlman Visiting Scholar, McGill University

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm going for Pitchfork.

$150 for three days of panel-speak on how hard it is now to make money in the music business??

Based on the schedule, it doesn't look like an event for starving musicians - it's for industry types (big and small) to talk about new models for marketing and distribution. The panels cover some good topics. I've interviewed some of the panelists for different articles (Brian Camelio of ArtistShare is onto something really interesting), but we'll see how deeply they can get into it during a panel. The other attendees could be more interesting than the panels themselves.

save the robot (save the robot), Monday, 5 September 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm going as a journalist, not to see "ooh controversy!" but to get a better grasp on the wonkier things in policy and emerging media and what they will mean to nonwonks in the coming months.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Chris, you'll be covering the event on Pitchfork then, in another one of your industry articles? I'm a music industry student and the future of music is my main interest, what I specialize in -- I'm going to wait till next year to attend, but any coverage is much appreciated.

bill neil (inabillity), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

"I was struck by the near total absence of journalists/writers, save for Jeff Chang on the sampling panel." -MC

Jenny Toomey, of the Future of Music Coalition, has in the past battled in letters to the editor sections with writers. Despite the fact that positive ink has ocassionally benefited her various bands and her former label, I think she's taken the negative stuff to heart so much that it may have affected her views on panel selection.

steve-k, Monday, 5 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Jon Langford/Executioner's Last Songs show

Last Train Home, The Hackensaw Boys, Mike Holden

The Wrens, The Nein, Andy Zipf

Some of the entertainment for the Friday night "Future of Music" is ok, but what kind of message are they sending by not having any r'n'b, rap,reggae, non-English language sounds, etc.? I've noticed this same problem in past years. You'd think after years of talk about multiculturalism and political correctness that an organization like this one could do better.

steve k, Monday, 5 September 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh I see there is a token interview with George Clinton. The presence of hiphop and non-rock genres is pretty small on the panels also.

steve-k, Monday, 5 September 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

bump.

steve k, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

the entertainment for this thing sounds boring. im all about watching tech nerds argue.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

Oh I see there is a token interview with George Clinton.

FOMC's Brian Zisk's wife Shoshanna is the head of business affairs for George Clinton Enterprises, so it's never surprising for George to be involved in FOMC activities.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

im all about watching tech nerds argue.

Lawrence Lessig & Wayne Rosso tag-team VS Hillary "The Hammer" Rosen in mud-wrestling battle royale (is what this thing needs)

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

Hey Bill, where do you study?

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

In previous years,the musical entertainment at night was former Simple Machines (Jenny Toomey's old label) acts.

I bet they left off a lot of tech nerds who had interesting things to say.

steve k, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

Kanye West told me Jenny Toomey doesn't care about black people.

Seriously, folks, is it possible that the absence of your personal dream teams of hand-picked panelists and/or live acts has something to do with budgets (or a non-profit coalition's lack thereof) and/or scheduling conflicts?

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

I recognize that budgets may be an issue, but year after year the musical entertainment at FOM events are always the same ol' indie-rockers, often ones who were on Jenny's old label. There's a real lack of imagination at work I think in regards to both the evening entertainment and some of the panels.

I don't think scheduling conflicts are the reason that there are so few folks from the hiphop, rock en espanol, reggae or reggaeton genres on panels. Also, why not more journalists or bloggers or radio people.

steve k, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

One obvious answer is that with panels devoted to indie rock and jazz, the Future of Music Coalition is actually devoted to helping the music of the past survive its obsolence through new technology and business models. I don't think Kanye West loses sleep at night wondering how he can beat ClearChannel and get his songs on the air. Hip hop is today's popular music, while the "this band could be your life" set has to fuck around with podcasting to find new outlets. If Doc Watson had the patience to sell tour-only CD-R's, he'd get a panel too.

As for bloggers - I'm glad there's actually a music conference that passes them by to put on CEOs, entrepreneurs, and other people who usually just communicate via press release. Don't we hear enough from bloggers? They're always blogging, constantly. What else do they have to say? And how many of them handle business topics, anyway? (If there are any, I'd love to check them out.)

save the robot (save the robot), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

caveat: I'm ignoring a million ways that a conference like this could help music other than indie rock and jazz. But that seems to be the premise.

save the robot (save the robot), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

But not every rapper is making Kanye money. Also where are the hiphop ceos and entrepeneurs at this conference? I love what Hank Shocklee did musically way back when, but can he really tell us much about the "future of music." I could understand having Shocklee if they also had someone from a current indie-rap label, be it from a Dirty South one or a backpacker one or both.

steve k, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

i believe pete smith went to this a year or two back and had really great things to say about it

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

year after year the musical entertainment at FOM events are always the same ol' indie-rockers

oh right, i forgot that lester chambers was on the "inclined plane" 7".

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Alright you got me there, although Lester probably, like George Clinton, has some connection to the FOM board. It's just kinda odd that out of the blue they would think, 'let's have one old musician perform, how about the leader of the Chambers Brothers.' I also know, Last Train Home were never on Simple Machines but their singer is a Washington Post staff writer.

I am not so naive as to believe that such conflicts are completely unavoidable (and I recognize that FOM doesn't have the money or pull that CMJ or S x SW have), it's just that I think someone who did such a great job with the Simple Machines guide to putting out your own record, could do better in choosing performers and putting together panels.

steve-k, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Given the nature of the panels the performances take on kind of a vestigial "conferences ostensibly about music must have performances" nature and I don't see why they shouldn't do away with them altogether. Then we wouldn't have to be all "jenny toomey is a trustafarian etc."

jb, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Yea, that makes sense. They never have many evening concerts anyway. Let folks choose their own places to go in the evening. That reminds me, the one multicultual thing they're doing, is inviting folks to eat at a Vietnamese restaurant!

Curmudgeon me still wants additional panels per my criticisms of them above. Oh, and I never called Jenny a trustafarian...

steve-k, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Lester probably, like George Clinton, has some connection to the FOM board

This is actually true, and ties into this:

inviting folks to eat at a Vietnamese restaurant!

A lot of this activity was spawned by an email discussion forum called the Pho list. Many of the FOMC folks have been vocal participants and/or lurkers there over the years. The list started as an actual Sunday gathering at an L.A. Vietnamese restaurant, where music and tech industry leaders would discuss stuff over pho. The email forum then followed. Lester and his wife happened upon the list, and he became something of a cause celebre when he told his tales of having received no royalties for his music over the years (his label apparently claims they never recouped, the usual bullshit). So Lester frequently has a place at the table at these policy gatherings, since he knows more of its specifics than most and is more willing to speak out than most.

Anyone who's going, shoot me an email offlist.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Steve-K, out of curiosity, have you attended an(y) FMC (who's FOM?) summit(s)?

I ask because this is my first year attending and, as a law student (and an on-hiatus music photo/journalist), I was and am decidely more intrigued by the academic/legal topics on the agenda than I am or ever was about the afterthoughts (i.e. not the summit's focus) that are the concerts. As you said, this isn't CMJ/SXSW -- nor does it portend to be.

As to the panels, it appears to me quite a stretch to infer that just because something or someone is, or has been, absent means it or he/she hasn't been asked to participate. Could it be that for as much as you or I might like to hear The Avalanches or Josh Davis or DJ Danger Mouse talk about sampling, none of them is interested in being a panelist?

Furthermore, they left off a lot of tech nerds who had interesting things to say.!?!? I don't doubt tech nerds would have interesting things to say, but as a dot-com veteran I can safely say tech nerds aren't the most talkative lot (i.e. would they actually make great panelists?).

Or is it simply your wont to disparage tech-legal-academic-music-related summits that don't live up to your "$149-for-this-!?!?" standards?

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

anyway, roll call. cant make it to the pho dinner, but ill be there sunday bright and early.

1. maria [ill be the one with a camera and a badge that says "event photographer"]

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

I'll arrive Sunday morning, too (and scoot Monday night - am a full-time law student, after all).

2. Erik ["with a K"] -- (I'll be the stiff in the suit getting an aggro-indie rocker beat down).

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Sunday AM for me too. Flying into DC on 9/11 will be fun fun fun.

3. Chris Dahlen - will be handing out my snazzy new Pitchfork b-cards

save the robot (save the robot), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

awesome. let's hang. or at least say hello to each other.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Count me in for hanging and/or at least saying hello.

I'll definitely make at least one trip over to CD Warehouse.

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Zimm, I've never spent the bucks to go to the FOM. The music law stuff does look pretty good, it's the lack of non-rock musicians and non-rock record label people, and the presence of only a few token radio people or journalists or bloggers that bugs me. Perhaps some folks have turned them down to be on a panel, but it seems like year after year there's never that much of a non-rock presence which, rightly or wrongly, leads me to think they're not trying very hard in the diversity department.

steve-k, Thursday, 8 September 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

I look at too many acronyms all the time. By FOM I meant Future Of Music, excuse me if it's FMC. Whatever.

steve k, Thursday, 8 September 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

Zimm, I've never spent the bucks to go to the FOM.

clearly, because you havent gotten the acronym straight during the course of this thread!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 8 September 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

wait, spoke too soon.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 8 September 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

Don't ya just hate when haters derail a thread?

Let's talk about the (hopefully) tasty box lunches!

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

im looking forward to the free lunch.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I'll trade someone my sammich for their cookies.

Joe McCombs, Friday, 9 September 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Missed Langford and company at the Kennedy Center tonight. How was it?

I got an interesting and thoughtful e-mail from the FMC(or FOMC or whatever) in regards to an e-mail i sent 'em regarding increasing the non-rock presence at the FMC.

steve k, Friday, 9 September 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

fans of BOC and the Clash take note:
Sandy Pearlman Visiting Scholar, McGill University

he spoke at last year's summit in SF and he was kinda funny. though he kept falling back on the "canada=smart, america=dumb" idea, and it got a little tiresome.

ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Saturday, 10 September 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

Ok folks, tell doubters like me about all the great panels I'm missing while I'm at work.

Steve K (Steve K), Monday, 12 September 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

The Sunday panels were triff. No mind-blowing revelations, but a lot of solid state-of-the-digital-union statements. And ran into one of the Animators (NYC band) unexpectedly. Will blather more tomorrow. (Anyone fancy a gathering tomorrow night, preferably somewhere showing the Eagles-Falcons game?)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 12 September 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, great stuff. Somewhat to my surprise, Joe Henry was particularly good, saying he's never sold a CD at a performance in his life b/c he wanted it to be an experience in and of itself.

The labels panel had some fireworks, with the Magnatunes guy and Melissa Ferrick sparring. The policy one was a little drier, except for the intell. property attorney scolding someone for daring to say that Google wasn't evil.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 12 September 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

bump

sean john, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

Y'all missed George Clinton and Hank Shocklee talking about samples, their clearance and licensing. Wowowowowowowow

Joe McCombs, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

the panels were fun, although when you're stuck photographing them, its kind of hard to listen. it was nice meeting eric, chris, matt & joe! watched the eagles-falcons at a salvodorean restaurant with lots of the panelists.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

I took off at noon, so I missed the jazz panel. Overall it was very cool, too much to boil down to one post, I spent the whole flight home going through my notepads trying to get a handle on the parts I wanted to remember - I think they pulled it off, but it is too bad they drew a smaller crowd than they had hoped (the auditorium was never more than a third full). I don't know if it's a matter of selling it to more of the people who should be interested, or that it's hard to get a grasp on all of the subjects they talked about. But I dunno - I enjoyed it.

As a dot com veteran it was also fun to be surrounded by eager tech entrepreneurs who thought that their new XML-based protocol would change the world. I miss those people.

It was great to meet Joe and Maria!

Oh, and the lunch box was kinda weak.

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

in comparison to previous years [ive been to three out of the five] the room was definitely empty. but i have to wonder, if part of the reason its not filled is that a lot of things are still unresolved. i mean, five years later and there's still no rate calculator for sampling? photographers have one [http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/estimator/estimator.asp] why cant musicians?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

parts of the reason also are:

1. a lingering bad economy prevents people from paying for the conf and/or taking days off work

2. MUCH smaller media presence, I would bet

3. close proximity to CMJ, people either/or'ed it?

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)

i agree on #3. although, i know when FMC made the decision to move the summit, CMJ had not yet announced they were moving their festival. i kind of preferred it when the summit was in jan/feb - a nice midway point between the two.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

photographs here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theoreticalgirl/sets/997475/

i can spot a couple ilxors there...

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 23 September 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

http://pitchforkmedia.com/columns/get-that-out-of-your-mouth/05-09-23.shtml

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 23 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

No labels under the photos. Who is there Maria?

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

im not pointing them out. those who know, know.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 24 September 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

You're just too cool.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

I can read some of the namecards and I know the faces of many of the musicians, there's just a few others I was curious about. Oh well.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I was there.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Nice pix! Maria, you should've sold photos of people posing with George Clinton, $20 a pop.

save the robot (save the robot), Saturday, 24 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Chris Dahlen's Pitchfork piece (see link above) is terrific, very comprehensive. I enjoyed meeting him and Maria, as well. If you don't mind the self-indulgence, here's how I assessed things for the Voice:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0539,mccombs,68183,22.html

P.S. I failed to get my picture taken with George Clinton. :/

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Saturday, 24 September 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

i love how j03 h3nry looks so bored in every single photograph.

joe, i tried looking for you but you just disappeared so quickly!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)


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