Ultimate Death Battles:the Kinks VS the Small Faces

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Well their both rockin' bands, i love the Kinks for their Britisness but the Small Faces new how to rock real hard...hmm its a tough one but i pick Small Faces.

Richard Collins, Monday, 5 September 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

It's not a rough pick for me...

...The Kinks

Voodoo Child, Monday, 5 September 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

I like the Small Faces and all, but no contest: The Kinks.

D. Bachyrycz, Monday, 5 September 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

If the Kinks had only ever recorded "Waterloo Sunset" they would win on its strength alone.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

Kinks by a million miles. I'd pick the Action over the Small Faces.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

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jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

kinks

bahtology, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

Kinks, duh.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

How many good songs did the Small Faces have? The Kinks had a million.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

the Small Faces had a million too.

The problem is their catalog is so discombobulated and spread out over multiple labels and confusing repackagings, that it is hard to get a handle on it all. The proper albums were great, but they a gazillion singles and b-sides as well. The totally ruled though.

The idea that the totally mediocre Action are better than them is laughable.

The Kinks win this one, though. I wonder how people would vote if we counted Faces/Small Faces though. The Faces totally smoke the 70s Kinks.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

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True, and I speak as a Kinks fans, I have to ask the question: How many lackluster albums did the Kinks put out? I can't count them, can you?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Put a "but" after 'True' up there

So like Stormy, I go with the Kinks but I think the Small Faces give them a good run for the money. But I am too lazy to think it through and await the arrival of Edd S Hurt to thread to explain it in detail.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Stormy OTM about the Action. Wow, what a disappointment they were.

But if anything the discombobulated SF catalog makes it appear as though they had more songs than they actually do. You can distill the best self-penned SF tunes down to 1 disc, maybe 2. No way could you do that with the Kinks. The Kinks also happily avoided any descent into hippy-drippy nonsense. Bonus points for that!

D. Bachyrycz, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

I'll prefice this by saying the The Kinks are my favourite band of all time and it shocks me that they never seem to get the cred they deserve (especially compared to The Who and The Stones).

The Kinks have so many classic albums, it isn't even funny.

Schoolboys in Disgrace, Village Green...., Arthur, Muswell Hillbillies, Soap Opera, Something Else, Preservation (Acts 1 and 2), Face to Face, etc.

Seriously, "Schoolboys in Disgrace" is a killer album.

No, seriously

Also, the "Percy" instrumental of "Lola" rocks, and is better than the original, I think.

Erock LAzron, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

The Small Faces have lots of good songs, but the Kinks shit all over them.

But then I like the Kinks way better than the Beatles, so my opinion is probably not to be trusted.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

No comment from me until Ewing's done them on Popular - they both turn up in '66.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 06:22 (twenty years ago)

i like the kinks better, there are times when they're my favorite band. i also like the faces a lot more than the small faces.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

The small faces' stuff is not well served up. It's sad that they didn't make that one final killer album after Ogdens, that the likes of "Autumn Stone", "The Universal" and "Wham Bam" were pointing towards, rather than the 'bits and bobs' collection that they originally turned up onto.

They never made a bad album though (although I'm not in love with the 'happiness stan' as a whole but the songs are fine). I don't have enough kinks stuff to judge/choose, but hey I'm still young.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

You and Stewart both, Mark.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

Also, the "Percy" instrumental of "Lola" rocks, and is better than the original, I think.

I give up.

Anyway, I like the Kinks better but I prefer either to the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and The Who...

Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

The Small Faces only really had two songs - the fake R&B mod stomper and the fake R&B soulful belter. (OK, maybe three - the cod psychedelic stomper, but that's only the mod stomper run through a flanger.)

The Kinks win hands down, due the width and breadth of their songwriting ability.

Luminiferous Aether (kate), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

There are lots of Small Faces' songs which do not stomp at all! The one area where the Small Faces win is musicianship.

Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

... no, there's another area, production, Small Faces' records generally sound amazing

Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

I was talking about the songwriting, not the musicianship.

Luminiferous Aether (kate), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

"Autumn Stone" fits in none of those categories, kate...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

For every reason in the world, the Kinks.

brianiac (briania), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

the kinks may have had lots of great songs, but not one of them was as beautiful as "my minds eye"

rio natsume, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I haven't bothered with any Kinks' albums after "Preservation Act 2" - which was the first double album of their career and also the album with fewest worthwhile tracks that they'd released up to that point, all in all, somewhat of a disaster.... oh I forgot, "Everybody's In Showbiz" was a double too and, apart from two or three stunning tracks, that wasn't very good either

Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

the Kinks--Ray Davies--wrote better songs. Wistful and concerned with the decline of the British Empire, didn't like Berkeley all that much. Dave wrote a couple of great rockers, "Creeping Jean" and there's one other. And a lot of shit like "This Is Where I Belong."

still, I enjoy the Small Faces a lot more. Not as profound but lots more fun. They did their soul-rocker and their "cod"-psychedelic rocker well. No songs about cods or codpieces, though, far as I know, but I am not English. I love them, actually--I got that Faces box and it's good, I have re-evaluated them according to secret criteria known only to me--and these days I just never listen to the Kinks, who are not in my book "better than the Beatles, Stones, etc." Better than the Stones--you got to be kidding. But some nice songs played for shit, which I also admire, since anyone can be precise and all that. I'm pretty sick of "Village Green" and all that, "Arthur" is to my ears one of the more overrated "cod-concept albums" of all time, and I find virtually nothing worth listening to after "Muswell Hillbillies," so it's kinda like the party line on Todd Rundgren or someone, a big falloff point for sure.

So, Kinks more "important" and I do not even care.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

I said I preferred them to the Stones, didn't say they were "better" than them. The Stones more "important" and I do not even care (well, maybe a little bit)

Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)


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