anti-english pitchfork and their stupid report on the mercury prize

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I'm not in the least bit patriotic and hate my country and it's stupid ways as much as the next man, but really, pitchfork's Amy Phillips should get that british bee out of her bonnet in time for next year's Mercury prize, because next year it won't be won by a yank and she'll have to do some freakin' research.

I know I should just shut up and have a sense of humour but really, if you're going to try and use the only english slang term you've ever heard, like "snap", at least use it in some sort of context where it remotely fits. this comes on the back of another pitchfork article about a Bucks Fizz record being a lost gem. As they cannot truly be serious, i feel hurt that they would attack such a much loved cultural figure as Cheryl Baker, when all she's ever done is pour forth bubbly love from her velcro-skirted heart. see: Record Breakers and Eggs and Baker.

Flotsam of the Fishfolk (Flotsam of the Fishfolk), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Can somebody babelfish this?

moe, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

"Snap" is American slang, and Amy has used it correctly.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) Uh, "snap" isn't an English slang term!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Or I mean, maybe it is, but what Nabisco said.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

The positive mention of Bucks Fizz was from, like, six months ago! (and it was sincere not a joke) (unlike Amy's news piece)

Warning: pfm will say something nice about Dollar next week!

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Trevor Horn excuses much.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

First person I heard use "snap" was Ricky Powell in his Grand Royal column.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

First person I heard use "snap" was dozens of African American kids in middle school.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

IT'S GETTING KIND OF HECTIC

jb, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Actually, the Bucks Fizz mention was from April 2004!

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Some common English snaps:

- Your mother's so affectionate ...
- Your mother has such an ample figure ...
- Your mother has such good teeth ...
- Your mother's so tan ...
- Your mother's such a good cook ...

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of dozens, isn't that where the term really comes from?

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

also "your mom has GOT THE POWER"

Quality I possess something I'm fresh
When my voice goes through the rest
Of the microphone that I am holdin'
Copywritten lyrics so they can't be stolen
If they are

SNAP

Don't need the police to try to save them
Your voice will sink so please stay off my back
Or I will attack and you don't want that

jb, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

we called it "cap" in the NW USA.

Old School (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

WTF? You said "awwwwww, CAP!"?

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

NB my favorite near-equivalent of that "snap" usage is FACE. Usually accompanied by a jerky right-hand motion that's kinda like you're pulling your own face off. FACE.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

I am moved to posit, in a further act of atrocious jingoism and yanqui ignorance, that the BUCK PETS were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than your limey bucks fizz!

jb, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

ok, well I stand corrected. I admit I'm an idiot and I didn't know about the "snap" thing. For the record, Dollar's experimental stuff is mind blowing.

Flotsam of the Fishfolk (Flotsam of the Fishfolk), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

you don't need corrected on the fact that it's a stupid report - haha wtf? who are these people we, the mighty pitchfork, have never even heard of?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

As a limey I'm aint gettin' this 'snap' thing. What is it? Ah, the Dollar years.

tolstoy (tolstoy), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

"Cap!" was said while pulling your hand down your chin a bit.
"Capping" was the general activity of putting people down.

Old School (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

At my school, if you were put down, you would then feel "crunchy." As in "oh snap, I bet you feel crunchy now!"

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

"Face", yeah. That goes back to the 70s. It was a term from b-ball, shortened from "In your face." See also "Face job!" Or, if you are Akeem Olajuwon, "Faze jzhob!"

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

These regional insults are great. Where I lived in Michigan there was a facility for mentally disabled people called The Beekman Center. So in Lansing it was just as common to call someone a "Beekman" or "Beek" as it was a "Retard". I was like 12 before I realized that this slang was not universal.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

So let me get this straight. If I say 'George W is a derweep bag of volcanic puss' do I then punctuate this with a jerk on the chin, slight pause and a cry of 'Snap'!?

tolstoy (tolstoy), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

or your toadie can do the honors

Old School (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

:-) I like this term.

tolstoy (tolstoy), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Proper "snap" technique tends to involve covering your mouth as if shocked by the magnitude and hilarity of the dis, high-stepping backwards as if you're about to fall over laughing, pointing at the victim, slapping the other hand against your thigh, and turning slowly in a circle as you backpedal, as if your eyes can barely handle taking in the glory of the scene. Then, as slow and stretched-out as possible: "Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, SNAP!"

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

An interjection is a word added to a sentence to convey emotion. It is not grammatically related to any other part of the sentence.

You usually follow an interjection with an exclamation mark. Interjections are uncommon in formal academic prose, except in direct quotations.

The highlighted words in the following sentences are interjections:

Ouch, that hurt!
Aww snap, he said “daft”!
Hey! Put that down!
I heard one guy say to another guy, "He has a new car, eh?"
I don't know about you but, good lord, I think taxes are too high!

geo daddy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

http://art-ificial.com/ilm/snap.gif

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

IT'S GETTING KIND OF HECTIC is a Chill Rob G slang.

pappawheelie II, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever met a girl that you tried to date
But a year to make love she wanted you to wait
Let me tell ya a story of my situation
I was talkin’ to this girl from the u.s. nation
The way that I met her was on tour at a concert
She had long hair and a short miniskirt
I just got onstage drippin’, pourin’ with sweat
I was walkin’ through the crowd and gues who I met
I whispered in her ear, come to the picture booth
So I can ask you some questions to see if you are a hundred proof
I asked her her name, she said blah-blah-blah
She had 9/10 pants and a very big bra
I took a couple of flicks and she was enthused
I said, how do you like the show?
She said, I was very amused
I started throwin’ bass, she started throwin’ back mid-range
But when I sprung the question, she acted kind of strange
Then when I asked, do ya have a man, she tried to pretend
She said, no I don’t, I only have a friend
Come on, I’m not even goin’ for it
This is what I’m goin’ sing

You, you got what I need but you say he’s just a friend
And you say he’s just a friend, oh baby
You, you got what I need but you say he’s just a friend
But you say he’s just a friend, oh baby
You, you got what I need but you say he’s just a friend
But you say he’s just a friend

So I took blah-blah’s word for it at this time
I thought just havin’ a friend couldn’t be no crime
’cause I have friends and that’s a fact
Like agnes, agatha, germaine, and jacq
Forget about that, let’s go into the story
About a girl named blah-blah-blah that adored me
So we started talkin’, getttin’ familiar
Spendin’ a lot of time so we can build up
A relationship or some undderstanding
How it’s gonna be in the future we was plannin’
Everything sounded so dandy and sweet
I had no idea I was in for a treat
After this was established, everything was cool
The tour was over and she went back to school
I called every day to see how she was doin’
Everytime that I ccalled her it seemed somethin’ was brewin’
I called her on my dime, picked up, and then I called again
I said, yo, who was that? oh, he’s just a friend
Don’t gimme that, don’t ever gimme that
Jus’ bust this

You, you got what I need but you say he’s just a friend
And you say he’s just a friend, oh baby
You, you got what I need but you say he’s just a friend
But you say he’s just a friend, oh baby
You, you got what I need but you say he’s just a friend
But you say he’s just a friend

So I came to her college on a surprise visit
To see my girl that was so exquisite
It was a school day, I knew she was there
The first semester of the school year
I went to a gate to ask where was her dorm
This guy made me fill out a visitor’s form
He told me where it was and I as on my way
To see my baby doll, I was happy to say
I arrrived in front of the dormitory
Yo, could you tell me where is door three?
They showed me where it was for the moment
I didn’t know I was in for such an event
So I came to her room and opened the door
Oh, snap! guess what I saw?
A fella tongue-kissin’ my girl in the mouth,
I was so in shock my heart went down south
So please listen to the message that I say
Don’t ever talk to a girl who says she just has a friend

Bismark E, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Can someone link the Bucks Fizz mention? I like Bucks Fizz.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Dollar. Interview 2004: Playing at Wembley Arena is getting to be a regular gig for Dollar, how do you both feel about being part of this concert?

Thereza: "Awesome."
David: "Fantastic, over the years we've kept Dollar special, we haven't done any of the hacking around of holiday camps or anything like that. We're really pleased and proud of ourselves."
Thereza: "Yes."

What does the future hold for Dollar, do you think you'll perform together again if the right situation came along?

David: "We're all ears, you know we've never written it off its just gotta be the right vehicle. It's very difficult for acts like us, but if the right venue comes along and it suits us we're all ears. I never thought we'd be doing this so soon after Hear & Now but here we are."
Thereza: "It Depends."

Thanks to 'Reborn In The USA' we got two new recordings from Dollar, what are the chances of anymore in the future?

Thereza: "Don't know...watch this space." (laughs)
David: "Who knows."
Thereza: "It's not a no...you never know."

How do you both now feel about taking part in 'Reborn In The USA', are you glad you did it?

Thereza: "Everything happens for a reason, if we hadn't have done that we wouldn't be half as comfortable doing tonight. So you see after that it's easy to fall back into doing this. It was an experience and I wouldn't want to repeat it." (laughs)
David: "This is the most special thing we've done in a reunion for many years. So to be honest Thereza's right, all those things were just setting us up for this really."
Thereza: "Yes they were."

I've already asked David this question so Thereza, how do you feel that the tracks you recorded with WEA records have not yet been released on CD?

Thereza: "It's frustrating, and I'm sure they'll come a time, maybe this is the catalyse. Maybe they'll think ok it's high time, maybe Trevor might do something I don't know. They need a nudge from some direction so we'll wait and see, but we'd be thrilled if there was a compilation."

Well two tracks are coming out on the Trevor Horn compilation CD.

Thereza: "Yes, maybe that will start something."

Thereza, have you ever thought about releasing 'The Big Kiss' album on CD?

Thereza: "Er no."
David: "Can you keep the questions about Dollar please." (both start laughing)

Is the track 'Touch To Touch' a solo Thereza track or a Dollar track?

Thereza: "No it was written without David, it wasn't a Dollar track."

So it's a Thereza solo track?

Thereza: "Yes."

The reason I ask is David isn't credited as one of the songwriter, plus it was featured on a German compilation CD as Dollar.

Thereza: "Is it! Maybe I was being generous." (both start laughing)

Thereza, how long have you been a vegetarian, and why did you become one?

Thereza: "I've been a vegetarian for about 30 years. It was when we were on the road working very hard, I just couldn't cope with eating anything, too tired. So I thought I'd go back to baby food, nothing too hard on the stomach. I've been that way ever since, fitter than ever and fighting fit."

Thereza, how did you get involved with the track 'Don't Ask Ronnie'?

Thereza: "Ahh I don't know, I can't even remember how that goes. When I remember I'll tell you ok, I'll e-mail you on the website."

Thereza, what's your favourite Dollar track?

Thereza: "Favourite Dollar track...owe, probably 'Give Me Back My Heart', it's a masterpiece. Probably one of the best pop records ever made, and I think Trevor probably would agree with that."

Is that why you decided to record it solo?

Thereza: "Yes, it's a fantastic record."

Is it true that Dollar were offered 'Making Your Mind Up' before Bucks Fizz?

David: "Yes it's true."
Thereza: "Yes, we didn't want to do Eurovision."
David: "We didn't need to, and we didn't like the song either. I thought 'Have You Ever Been In Love?' was much better if we were going to do one. So no, it wasn't our style."

Are there any unreleased tracks in the volts at WEA, London records etc that could maybe be used as extra tracks on future compilation CD's?

Thereza: "Probably."

Can you remember any names?

David: "No, not at this time."

tolstoy (tolstoy), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

P.s. I know that's not what you asked for Tom but mention of Dollar got me nostalgic and I had to go looking for 'em. Apologies for going somewhere completely off message.

tolstoy (tolstoy), Thursday, 8 September 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)

P.s. I know that's not what you asked for Tom but mention of Dollar got me nostalgic and I had to go looking for 'em. Apologies for going somewhere completely off message. Do you think 'volts at WEA' is a clever pun? Insightful interview I thought;-)

tolstoy (tolstoy), Thursday, 8 September 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)

P.s. I know that's not what you asked for Tom but mention of Dollar had me come over all nostalgic so I thought to go looking for 'em. Apologies for going somewhere completely off message. Do you think 'volts at WEA' is a clever pun? Insightful interview I thought;-)

tolstoy (tolstoy), Thursday, 8 September 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)

We heard you the first time.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 September 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

oh snap.

todd burns (toddburns), Thursday, 8 September 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

Oops.

tolstoy (tolstoy), Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

ooh, amy phillips is SASSY

N_RQ, Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

"Eggs and Baker" !

That prog where she did some cooking in the morning, and a number of lads in dressing gowns wandered around. Where did they come from? Did they miss their last bus or something?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 September 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Does Amy Phillips think Anthony and the Johnsons scare us? Is that the implication? I think her point is a little confused.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Should I look at pf's site & read the report referenced at the top of the thread, or not bother?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

It would appear that Ms Phillips has never heard of Amazon or Google either.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

On the whole Pash, don't bother. Sound and fury signifying nothing.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

this kind of smart-aleck 'oh you're from jolly olde england' bullshit is as tiresome as its harmless, as its unfunny. its like when you interview american bands, and they put on awful english accents like no-one's ever done it before. it reminds me of that episode of larry sanders where hank kingsley is intimidated by the dude from spandau ballet who becomes the new bandleader, and is forever talking in ball-achingly painful 'cockney' to him.

i mean, can't blame'em for doing it, but i can't shake the feeling that amy is being exactly as "aren't i cute and hilarious and daring" doing this, as the aforementioned american bands are when they take the piss out of your accent for the alloted interview time (despite the fact that they, in effect, paid for you to get flown to the US and stay in a plush hotel for a couple of days, so guess who the joke is on really).

the best scene in that episode was right at the end, when hank threatened to "take that gui'ar, and shove it right up your jolly olde rectum".

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

I've got a jolly good mind to shove my guitar jolly right up your bottom!

No, it's still funny to me, but I am brain damaged after all.

moley, Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand all the Pitchfork hate here...

I mean, it looks like a good place to get a stud:

http://www.pitchfork.com/horse.htm

Luminiferous Aether (kate), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

all threads about AP turn out kinda silly

her post was inoffensive at most

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

all threads about AP turn out kinda silly

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Daft > Snap

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)


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