TS: Peter Gabriel (1) vs Peter Gabriel (2)

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The first solo album (the one with the blue car hood) plays like you would expect the solo album of a prog-rock band to sound ("Moribund the Burgermeister," "Down the Dolce Vita") with some stops along the way for mainstream pop ("Modern Love," "Solsbury Hill) and genre exercises ("Excuse Me," "Waiting For The Big One"), all of which seemed designed to flaunt the sort of healthy eclecticism which makes solo careers possible.

The second album (the one with the fingernails) is the forgotten one. Gabriel never included its two best songs "D.I.Y." and "On The Air" on his first compilation, indicative of his attiude towards the album. It's an interesting misfire: story-songs set to trad-rock arrangements.

What say you?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

I always expect "Down the Dolce Vita" to turn into "Eye of the Tiger". "D.I.Y." and "On the Air" are two of my favourite of his songs - I like the second album more than the first. I agree that some of the songs on the first sound like genre excercises (I include "Modern Love" with those), and those on the second album are more their own things, understated in places and odd.

Pangolino 2, Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

2 is better. 3 is better than both.

huell howser (chaki), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

Mother of Violence reprazent!

Petroski (petroski), Thursday, 8 September 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

Never liked 2 at all. 1 it is (though 3 is indeed way better than both).

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 8 September 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Petroski OTM

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 8 September 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

(2) is a much more involving, cohesive listen for me than (1). Though, it must be noted, (2) doesn't have anything that stands out so seminally as "Solsbury Hill". I quite like "Moribund the Burgomaster", too, for some odd reason... "Here Comes the Flood" is definitely far better heard on Fripp's "Exposure" than on (1): far more intense version.

(2) is part of Fripp's excellent 'MOR' (interesting definition, there, Bob!) trilogy - others being the aforementioned Exposure, and Daryl Hall's "Sacred Songs". All fine records that do actually work even better in tandem.

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 8 September 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...
"On the Air" kills.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 22 May 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like the dying-in-a-car one is essential for "Moribund" and "Solsbury Hill" the same way that the lightning-fingertips one is essential for "On The Air" and "D.I.Y." Looking at the track listings of both they both have a surprising number of songs that I don't recognize by name, in comparison to say, Security. Plus, where is #3 (melty face) in this? Would the contest just be too lopsided with "Intruder," "I Don't Remember" and "Biko" all on one disc?

More than anything this thread makes me want to listen to both of them tomorrow and see. So, bravo on that count and thanks especially to Alfred for reviving this.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

In order of preference:

Peter Gabriel 3 (melting face)
Peter Gabriel 1 (wet car)
Security
So
Us
Peter Gabriel 2 (scratching cover)

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

It strikes me that you kids might like Plays Live...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

The first one is best. It has "Moribond The Burgermeister", "Here Comes The Flood" and "Solisbury Hill" on it. That alone makes it better.

Gabriel didn't really to into his own as a solo artist until the third album though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

It strikes me that you kids might like Plays Live...

The versions of "On the Air" and "Solsbury Hill" are phenomenal; I own the latter on 45.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
As there's a big discussion going on re. Fripp's Exposure and Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs, I pulled out Gabriel 2 forgetting I even owned or knew it.

And it's...interesting, for sure. Granted I don't own the remaster, but given that we're talking about Peter "Burundi" Gabriel here, the production is almost startlingly 2-D and rock. Fripp's audio verite productions include arrangements where the drums are so dry, it sounds like the whole thing was recorded in a closet with the door shut. The synths sound disarmingly cheap and out of place.

The result is that you're listening almost exclusively to the tunes, which aren't nearly as free and easy as he would later release (though that may be a good thing). Roy Bittan is all over this thing -- he gives "Indigo" a fantastically stompy "Benny and the Jets"-like coda. ("I'm going away/See you again someDAY!!"). "Mother of Violence" is the kind of intimate "hold me" song he would try a hundred times later in his career, and each time with less subtlety -- this one's really delicate and floaty, particularly the ending scat. "White Shadow" is prob. the proggiest thing on it, with an atmospheric progression, a great Fripp guitar solo and this couplet: "No one knew if the spirit died/All wrapped to go like Kentucky Fried" -- God knows what the hell it's about.

Not everything works. "A Wonderful Day In A One-Way World" is prob. his first world music excursion in that it's a rather embarrassing reggae. But one gets the sense that you learn more about Peter Gabriel and his aesthetic in this setting than you do with his Real World messianic business.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 17 June 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

I used to have both of these PG albums, now I only have - and listen to frequently - Peter Gabriel "Plays Live" dbl LP, which is the best Peter Gabriel thing to happen to me ever probably, even though I used to have the melted face LP too...

I wish I had both I and II on cheap vinyl right now to play, but sadly not.

Fryin' Berry, Buck Cherry (Bimble...), Saturday, 17 June 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

"White Shadow" has been lurking in my subconscious for a day now. It's really outstanding...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 18 June 2006 06:27 (nineteen years ago)

Damnit, why didn't I go to the vinyl record shop today?

Fryin' Berry, Buck Cherry (Bimble...), Sunday, 18 June 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

i. have. thee. touch.

i've been listening to plays live for 30 years, how is it true? i can remember this song making the shelves in my dorm room shake starting at the 2:20 mark. and now, with the headphones on, this song still feels like the sun coming up for me. so much clarity and space in the production, too.

really, it's the only pg album is still listen to much at all.

life is good (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 16:45 (twelve years ago)

five years pass...

wow these first two are really sort of a mess, aren't they? 2 is definitely better than 1, I just can't tolerate a few of the above-referenced "genre exercises" on 1.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:36 (seven years ago)

the high points on 1 are a lot higher--Moribund, Solsbury, Here Comes The Flood. maybe the relative badness of the other tracks help those tracks stand out more than the highlights on 2, which is more consistent experience.

voodoo chili, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

yeah those three are def the keepers on 1. Humdrum is allright too

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:50 (seven years ago)

2 all the way, it is one of my fave Peter Gabriel albums. 'White Shadow' is a major reason for that, but I'm also especially keen on 'Flotsam and Jetsam' and the version of 'Exposure' on this album.

Valentijn, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)

It's strange to hear Gabriel aping Springsteen (or is it Meatloaf?) on some of these tunes. The debut is his best album cover, though.

dinnerboat, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)

I don't mind the excesses of the first album; the uniformity of the second is a bigger bother.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

The debut is his best album cover, though

def

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

very Ballardian vibe to that one

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:59 (seven years ago)

So is his best album sleeve wtf

Creepy as fuck. Lynchian in its B&W posed normality.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)

I prefer the production of the debut - as I would being a fan of Bob Ezrin's production style in general, but I find the sound of the second LP a little thin and anaemic.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

Weren’t the sleeves designed by Sleazy from Coil?

I am using your worlds, Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

Like, 'White Shadow' is one of my favourite Gabriel solo tracks, but the bottom end feels like it should be thicker, and I'm not taken with the drum sound. It's a shame, because I like a lot of stuff on the second LP - the opening couple of songs, 'White Shadow', even things like 'Exposure' ...

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

It would be harder for me to choose between the third and fourth albums, tbh. The fourth LP has my favourite sleeve.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:09 (seven years ago)

'Wallflower' was the most beautiful thing he'd recorded since 'The Lamia' ...

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

Weren’t the sleeves designed by Sleazy from Coil?

I think he was involved with the car window one, which is indeed the best.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

That's Sleazy's car too.

MaresNest, Thursday, 25 October 2018 20:08 (seven years ago)

Melt is certainly the best sleeve, on the grounds that it made me trepidatious upon entering record stores for two years lest I encounter its gaze and inspired my later, anachronistic, woefully expensive Polaroid habit (and they don't make manipulable film anymore). All of the sleeves prior to Us are good, though!

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 26 October 2018 05:45 (seven years ago)

two years pass...

how did i never before notice Peter Gabriel Sings The Blues on 'waiting for the big one'???

amazing. i guess there was a moment there when everyone thought they could be bryan ferry

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:21 (five years ago)

I don't know if that's it so much as many of the British rock musicians having a similar affinity for '60s American r&b and soul.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:35 (five years ago)

you can have an affinity for the blues without trying to sing it

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:58 (five years ago)

the piano is cool on that one idc

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 04:02 (five years ago)


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