Pazz & Jop Betting Lines? (for entertainment purposes only)

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I think I saw an Irish (?) online betting sight posting odds on the Mercury award a while ago. Any action anywhere on P&J? (And, if there were, what would the favorites be?)

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't seem like any runaway obvious favorites yet. But to start things off:

Late Registration: 3:1
Illinois: 4:1
Arular 5:1

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 9 September 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

korenrulezOTMOTM.

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Illinois over Arular? Doesn't seem likely to me.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Those seem like 3 sensible front runners to me, but to be honest with you, I'd go more:

Late Registration 9/4
Illinois: 3/1
Arular: 5/1
Get Behind Me Satan 8/1
I Am A Bird: 10/1
Be: 16/1
Chavez Ravine: 20/1
Oceans Apart: 25/1
The Woods: 25/1
The Cookbook: 33/1

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

wait, what are these again?

Chavez Ravine: 20/1
Oceans Apart: 25/1

No way will Sufjan and Antony finish that high (he says with his fingers crossed).

― a poobah, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Stones might go top ten, though.

― a poobah, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Chavez Ravine is the Ry Cooder thing that came out on Nonesuch and Oceans Apart is the latest Go Betweens record.

― Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if McCartney will go higher than the Stones.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Another one that will finish high, maybe even top 5:

Twin Cinema 11/2

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

>Chavez Ravine is the Ry Cooder thing that came out on Nonesuch and Oceans Apart is the latest Go Betweens record.<

Not close to top 10 for either of these, either. Top 20 *maybe*, Top 30 sounds more reasonable.

No idea what Twin Cinema is, off the top of my head, either.

By the way, I think there's already a thread on this somewhere (albiet sans odds)

― xhuxk, Friday, 9 September 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Twin Cinema is the New Pornographers.

It'll fit nicely in the Welcome Interstate Managers slot. But then again, I thought the Wrens Meadowlands was going to finish high and it didn't even make the top 40.

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

WIM probably had like ten times the sales of the New Pornographers though.

Aren't they gonna thin the list of critics out this year anyway?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

No q white stripes will be pretty high but i cant see them taking #1

Still a long way out really but I think Kanye for #1 is a safe bet. Arular not far behind. But that'll be hurt by lack of non-internet exposure. Not THAT hurt, mind you - it did get mentioned on MTV. Kanye has the advantage of being actually popular.

― deej.., Friday, 9 September 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Are New Pornographers really going to finish that high? I don't follow them and had no idea - would have GUESSED that they might have peaked as far as critics' cool new indie band thing w/ last album which I think was top 20 the year before last?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

>Are New Pornographers really going to finish that high? <

Nope.

― a poobah, Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

maybe Opeth can gatecrash the top 20?

http://www.fastnbulbous.com/rock_f.htm

# Opeth * Ghost Reveries (Roadrunner)
# Sleater-Kinney * The Woods (Sub Pop)
# Bloc Party * Silent Alarm (Wichita/V2)
# Spoon * Gimme Fiction (Merge)
# My Computer * No CV (Tesla UK)
# Editors * The Back Room (Kitchenware UK)
# Field Music (Memphis Industries UK)
# LCD Soundsystem (Capitol/DFA)
# Sigur Rós * Takk... (Geffen) Sep 13
# The Shortwave Set * The Debt Collection (Independiente UK)
# The Boards Of Canada * Campfire Headcase (Warp) Oct 18
# The Rakes * Capture/Release (V2 UK)
# Antony and the Johnsons * I Am A Bird Now (Secretly Canadian)
# Maximo Park * A Certain Trigger (Warp)
# Dogs * Turn Against This Land (Island UK)
# Brakes * Give Blood (Rough Trade)
# Four Tet * Everything Ecstatic (Domino)
# Out Hud * Let Us Never Speak Of It Again (Kranky)
# Seu Jorge * Cru (Wrasse)
# Max De Castro (Trama)
# Go-Betweens * Oceans Apart (Yep Roc)
# Okkervil River * Black Sheep Boy (Jagjaguwar)
# The Mars Volta * Frances The Mute (Universal)
# Edan * Beauty and the Beat (Lewis)
# Gogol Bordello * Gypsy Punks Underdog World Strike (USA Side 1 Dummy)
# Colder * Heat (Output)
# Super Furry Animals * Love Kraft (XL UK)
# Sufjan Stevens * Illinois (Asthmatic Kitty)
# Roots Manuva * Awfully Deep (Big Dada/Ninja Tune UK)
# Various * Love's A Real Thing: The Funky Fuzzy Sounds Of West Africa (Luaka Bop)

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Top rated albums of 2005
http://rateyourmusic.com/top_albums/year_is_2005

current top 10

1
Sufjan Stevens:
Illinois

2
Kraftwerk:
Minimum - Maximum

3
Bright Eyes:
I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning

4
System of a Down:
Mezmerize

5
The Decemberists:
Picaresque

6
Andrew Bird:
Andrew Bird & The Mysterious Production of Eggs

7
The Mars Volta:
Frances The Mute

8
Sigur Rós:
Takk...

9
Porcupine Tree:
Deadwing

10
Antony and the Johnsons:
I Am a Bird Now

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Metacritic

http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2005.shtml

Top 30 Albums Ranked By Metascore
1 Illinois by Sufjan Stevens 2005 90
2 I Am A Bird Now by Antony And The Johnsons 2005 88
3 The Woods by Sleater-Kinney 2005 87
4 Arular by M.I.A. 2005 87
5 Clap Your Hands Say Yeah by Clap Your Hands Say Yeah 2005 87
6 Twin Cinema by The New Pornographers 2005 86
7 Black Sheep Boy by Okkervil River 2005 86
8 Minimum-Maximum [Live] by Kraftwerk 2005 85
9 The Mysterious Production Of Eggs by Andrew Bird 2005 85
10 Mezmerize by System Of A Down 2005 85
11 LCD Soundsystem by LCD Soundsystem 2005 85
12 I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes 2005 85
13 Blinking Lights And Other Revelations by Eels 2005 84
14 Beauty And The Beat by Edan 2005 84
15 Oceans Apart by The Go-Betweens 2005 84
16 Separation Sunday by The Hold Steady 2005 84
17 Chavez Ravine by Ry Cooder 2005 84
18 This Right Here Is Buck 65 by Buck 65 2005 84
19 The Magic Numbers by The Magic Numbers 2005 84
20 Late Registration by Kanye West 2005 83
21 School Of The Flower by Six Organs Of Admittance 2005 83
22 Lost And Safe by The Books 2005 83
23 Gimme Fiction by Spoon 2005 83
24 Cole's Corner by Richard Hawley 2005 83
25 1988 by Blueprint 2005 82
26 Multiply by Jamie Lidell 2005 82
27 Be by Common 2005 82
28 The Sunset Tree by The Mountain Goats 2005 82
29 Demon Days by Gorillaz 2005 81
30 Engineers by Engineers 2005 81

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Those metascores are always pretty irrelevant to P&J. THey're always waay more indie than P&J's top 30 results. I mean, Andrew Bird? I'd be surprised if he was Top 50, let alone Top 10. (This is not a comment on Andrew Bird's quality.) You really need a high level of fame and/or buzz to crack the top 5. I don't think it's the New Pornographers' year - that album sort of disappeared into the ether. Illinois will certainly rank high, as the Sufjan PR machine has been exceedingly excellent. Maybe like Funeral last year? Or perhaps better. I don't think there's any chance that anything non major-label of vintage-artist will hit the #1 spot, which means that odds (for the moment) are definitely on Kanye. Antony could place with help from the Mercury boost (I see that it made the US papers).

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Where is the love for the Decemberists?

― ng-unit, Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

yall are wrong

DIPSET DIPSET DIPSET DIPSET DIPSET

― 1337 dood3z (1337 dood3z), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

Aren't they gonna thin the list of critics out this year anyway?

Sez who?

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 11 September 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

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