TS: the stooges' original pressing of fun house Vs. the stooges' remaster of fun house

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doesnt have to be the first pressing or anything, just the pre-remaster vinyl (or even cd if you like) Vs the new one. i vote for the former.

― okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

like i said on that other thread, my canadian first-press of fun house sounds completely amazing and i have a hard time believing that anything could sound better, but i would like to hear the sundazed vinyl reissue. the cd i have no comment about. probably sounds fine. did old cd copies of fun house sound terrible? the copies i have of raw power and the first album sound fine on cd. iggy's mix of raw power i will not speak of. i don't even like thinking about it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

i like what iggy did with raw power, even if maybe just due to modern tech, it doesnt sound as weird, its a bit more conventional. just as hard though, harder in fact.

― okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Hey I like that iggy remix of raw power! It's funny! Any particular reason it winds you up so much scott?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

I hate the Iggy remix of Raw Power (the "High Rise mix") too. Whatever engineer allowed his name to be put on that thing (I don't own it anymore, so can't check the booklet) ought to be drummed out of the industry.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

yeah, what phil said. i just think it sounds horrible. anyone can make any album sound like almost anything after the fact. it reminded me of ross robinson or something. grating and tinny and trebly to the max. ick. i'll take the original any day. i never really had a problem with the original mix though. all that guitar crawling thru the mud sounded really appropriate for some reason.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I didn't much like the original mix, I must admit. I thought it was a pretty hopeless botch job. But, I like the first 2 stooges albums better, tbh.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

I can't even remember what version of raw power I have. it's on cd and it pains me to even listen to it as much as I like the songs. it makes all the muscles in my shoulders tense up.

― simon 803 (simon 803), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

WHY U GUYS HATE TREBLE ALL THE TIME

― 14000 KHZ, Friday, 9 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Not that the original Bowie mix sounds like ELO, but it works a whole lot better than the remix. James Williamson's leads up front in the mix with Iggy is what makes it work, not the tinkling piano or the dead sounding drums. Raw Power sounds like everyone that was making it, engineers to the players were all on drugs and no amount of studio fixins are going to make it nice clean and sheen.

I think Funhouse sounds pretty good for the time, considering it probably didn't have a big recording budget. I hope whoever mastered it doesn't get too nuts with the sub bass like some recent remastering jobs. The Ted Nugent remasters all have the bass boosted out so much that it ends up burying the guitar a bit in the mix.

Another remaster I just heard that I think is screwed up is The Who's "Who Are You". I don't know if they remixed it or something, but the guitar is WAY in the background now compared to the vinyl and original CD. I loved that song as a kid and used to like to air guitar to those power chords and now they are just not there like I remember.

― earlnash, Friday, 9 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I have wondered how things would have turned out if Elektra had insisted that Bruce Botnick, who was their usual engineer of choice and did The Doors and Love albums, had engineered the MC 5 and The Stooges albums. The records Botnick did for Elektra from that time still sound really good.

― earlnash, Friday, 9 September 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

First Stooges album sounds really good, though, too.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

"I think Funhouse sounds pretty good for the time"

I think it sounds GREAT for any time!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Well, I thought the Raw Power remaster was an improvement at first - liked how it revealed more "depth" or whatever. Then I played it again after setting it aside for a few months & it was way worse than I thought. And I already sold the original one! Oh well. (I still appreciate that they extended "Hard To Beat" and restored the "Raw Power" opening grunt, however.)

Fun House always sounded just fine to me (LP & CD both) so I've no need to buy the latest reish.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Watt just flew back from re-recording this entire album with Iggy.

― jeffrey michael rosenberg get in here right now young man (pukeandburn), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

i think fun house the remaster has the drums too upfront and too fucking sterile and clean.

― okoko, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

The CD reissue vs. original CD pressing:

The reissue has so much depth and power that the original didn't IMO. Like the difference between a shotgun and a pellet gun.

― Steev (Steev), Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

i just played a bit of both the original fun house cd and the new reissue to compare/contrast... the new remaster sounds SO MUCH BETTER to me.

re: the mix on raw power -- i wish the mix was somewhere between the original version and the iggy remix. the bowie mix is too muddy to my ears and the iggy mix seems like it was made for the sole purpose of blowing your speakers as quickly as possible. iggy's mix turns it into one of those albums that are incredibly loud no matter where your volume knob is set.

― spasticheritage, Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

raw power is only 33 minutes, they could've put the original and the iggy mix on one cd with room to spare.

the old fun house cd is OK, maybe a little thin on the bass (but if you have it up loud enough that doesn't matter so much, haha).

― deaf leopard (haitch), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

did the Rollins remaster of Raw Power (done from the master tapes, as opposed to a vinyl dub like Iggy's) ever get released?

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 10 September 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

"raw power is only 33 minutes, they could've put the original and the iggy mix on one cd with room to spare."

this would have been great. i never knew iggy did his mix from the vinyl. how weird.

― okok, Saturday, 10 September 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

It isn't possible to do a "mix" from vinyl. You can equalise &/or compress it, but you can't seperate out elements from a 2 track mixdown.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 10 September 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

yeah i dunno what people are talking about in this thread re: iggy's remix. i thought he did it from the master tapes. at least im sure it said that in the cd booklet. if people wanna hear the original pre-bowie raw power mixes, theres always the rough power album, except the quality is so terrible on that thing that its hard to really compare it properly (or well, even listen to it very much).

― okok, Saturday, 10 September 2005 08:11 (twenty years ago)

maybe it wasn't a vinyl copy but a nth-generation copy of tapes or something - but the story as I recall was that Iggy had been talking to Rollins about being unhappy with the mix as it was; Rollins tracked down and bought the original master tapes and paid for a new master in a swish studio etc. Then Iggy's mix came out shortly afterwards, done from some other source and sounding inferior (according to Rollins' assessment, but his attitude was "I'll Fedex the tapes whenever he wants, I dunno why he didn't take it" rather than "o mine is SO MUCH BETTER that I deserve to get paid MAD CASH" so bias not necessarily inferred)

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 10 September 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

well, that might help to explain why iggy's mix sounds so HORRIBLY HORRIBLE.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 10 September 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone tell me if the current vinyl reissue of "RAW POWER" (180 gram, etc.) is the original mix (i.e., Bowie's) or is it the current remix?

― Jonathan Merritt, Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

i'm almost positive that it's the original mix.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 10 September 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

can anyone hear the rollins mix anywhere?

― okoko, Sunday, 11 September 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

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