Emo Lesson #1: Don't drop your drawers at a Christian rock concert

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Funny only because its true:

http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheMeter/050909.html

― LaTor, Friday, 9 September 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

That is an amazing story, truly. I think it's cool as shit that they glommed on to a Christian rock tour, for one thing (Tim Kinsella's been touring since he was like 12, so I'm sure they have to do weird shit to keep the routine exciting), even though it lead to the charge of "disturbing a religious meeting"!!!

It'll be interesting to see what happens. It amazes me that people can get that worked up about seeing a man's ballingo and his hoo-hahs.

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

I wish there was an emoticon for taking off your pants and squeezing them out on someone's head.

I also love the "Christian" kids giving statements to the cops in order to ruin this guy's life.

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Ack! Tis nuthin more than what god gave me!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

The indecent exposure charge is punishable by a fine ranging from $500 to $20,000, a prison term ranging from 30 days to 10 years, or both.

That's in-fucking-sane.

― ryansf (ryansf), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

"took his pants off and exposed his genitalia and penis to the crowd."

His genitalia AND his penis?

― Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

I love that he doused the Christian Rock audience with his dick-sweat.

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

So, what's up with R. Kelly's legal troubles these days, speaking of Christians and pee pee?

― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Does the US law run the same way as the UK law on this kinda thing? Ie, if they can prove he flashed to gain "sexual gratification", the charges are a lot lot harsher than if he just did it for the rofflez?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

"after asking a mass of people if they had been disturbed by what they had seen, approximately half of the crowd raised their hands."

Americans, you do not now how weird you are. You really do not. Forget Swedish pop lyrics, the English and their tea, Indian movies, the beating of the groom's feet with a dried fish in Korea, even the the fact that 'bugger' is a term of endearment in Australia. This whole scenario is twice as weird as all of those put together.

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

I think the worst/funniest part is that he could wind up on a sex offenders list for this!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Some people must look at themselves agahast in the shower, shocked and appalled about this thing they can see - attached to their own body! Should they call the police and have themelves arrested? Who will protect them?

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Speaking as a straight, non-Christian American who happens to love penis, Moley is so OTM it's not even funny.

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

"Flanders! You're wearing shorts in the bath?"
"It's so I don't see my own shrinkydink!"
"...Makes sense."

― DJ Mencap0))), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

According to the affidavit, "after asking a mass of people if they had been disturbed by what they had seen, approximately half of the crowd raised their hands."

Awww, the poor widdle innocent Oklahoma Christians, so fearful of genitalia... Their sexual discomfort must be so unbearable that their hormones cry themselves to sleep at night. How can they live with themselves anymore?

― Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Americans, you do not now how weird you are

Mind you, these are the ultra-enthusiastic about God sorts who are not representative of all Americans by a long shot. They're a minority, but because they're so vocal they seem much more prevalent than they really are.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

i dont remember, but im pretty sure this is the band that opened for the good life when i saw them this last spring.

if it is, god, make believe sucks. i feel bad for the guy tho.

― JD from CDepot, Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Did Marilyn Manson have to register as a sex offender after rubbing his balls on that security guard's head?

― ng-unit, Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

But I think moley is wrong-wrong-wrong! I mean, look: at least once a season, I hear from some girl I know about some freak trying to jerk off over her head on the subway, which makes it difficult to second-guess the laws that say people can't randomly wave their dicks at other people. And no, this isn't the least the same situation, but it's not a distinction the law is really able to make. The law is that people can't just put their cocks in your face without warning/consent, and given that many of the people at the show genuinely didn't want to see dude's cock, the fact just kinda is that he did something illegal; just because he's working / on a stage doesn't really make a difference. (I mean, if Pat Robertson were on a lecture tour and whipped it out at the front row, or a plumber came to fix your sink and whipped it out in your kitchen ...)

So no, I don't think it necessarily makes Americans that weird that we have laws saying you can't randomly show people your cock. Though yes, the apparent UK distinction between doing it in a totally pervy/threatening manner and just doing it incidentally is a good one. If Kinsella just gets a $500 fine that would strike me as basically fair, really.

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Nudity in rock shows is not exactly an uncommon occurrence. He Who Shall Not Be Named waved his willy at nearly every Dwarves show. As did Queens of the Stone Age's Nick Oliveri. Nothing happened to them that I know of, but of course they probably had the sense not to play in Oklahoma in front of a bunch of Christians...

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you can get away with it if you're pretty sure nobody's going to object. But buying a ticket to a rock show is not an expression of consent to see people's cocks, so that's kind of the risk you run. I mean, you're basically whipping your cock out at work -- there are places where nobody will call you on it, and there are places where everyone will, and anyone with a lick of sense would worry at least a little about Christian rock shows falling into the latter category.

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

But buying a ticket to a rock show is not an expression of consent to see people's cocks

I always wondered what the fine print on those Ticketmaster tickets was about.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

I guess it's kinda fuzzy, though -- I wonder what legal precautions people have to take (or bother taking) for performances of whatever sort that are meant to involve nudity in the first place. I suppose if you were really letter-of-the-law about it you'd have to make it known beforehand that the event was adults-only and might involve nudity.

Also, well, I dunno how they work these things, but I'd guess that a Christian emo show in Oklahoma is almost certainly all-ages, which would mean that dude probably flashed his junk at MINORS, which ... I mean, it's not surprising that legal problems might arise from that.

― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

It took me a while to realize that Make Believe was the name of the band, and I was wondering why they were calling him a "make believe drummer". He just stands on stage and air drums along to the music?

― quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Saturday, 10 September 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

The wringing out of the shorts on people's heads does actually seem a little objectionable to me, much more so than just flashing in itself (though nabisco has a point with this). I hate to admit it but I could even see how that could be considered a sex offence, although it does seem way harsh that the guy could end up on a sex offenders list.

― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 10 September 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

is this the kind of guy who will take pride in the fact that he got popped for the same thing that jim morrison got popped for?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 11 September 2005 06:36 (twenty years ago)

Isn't Christianity supposed to be about forgiveness? Can't they just pray for the pureness of his eternal soul, and let it go at that?

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 11 September 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

The affidavit says Kinsella told officers that "due to his band being non-Christian it was part of the 'act' to disrobe on occasions while onstage."

― Some Guy, Sunday, 11 September 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

It's odd that Make-Believe are mentioned as an "emo" band. Their sound is quite prog and Tim Kinsella is probably the best current lyricist in music. A little disappointing that ILM has no awareness of their songs.

Definitely a stupid thing to do in a Christian venue but the punishment the guy might face for it is unquestionably insane and more of a moral crime. I read somewhere else that the Okie cops had to work pretty hard to find attendees that claimed to be traumatized by it, asking the same people several times.

― theodore (herbert hebert), Sunday, 11 September 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

It's odd that Make-Believe are mentioned as an "emo" band. Their sound is quite prog and Tim Kinsella is probably the best current lyricist in music. A little disappointing that ILM has no awareness of their songs.

I can understand if you're upset that nobody has heard of them, but that is very very very wrong.

― _____fkj, Sunday, 11 September 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

I guess it's kinda fuzzy, though

― JKex (JKex), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

the story doesn't describe the Make Believe as an emo band, but rather "an offshoot of emo faves Joan of Arc" -- which I think is an accurate description.

― Trey, Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

From the way I read it, the cops polled the crowd of a couple hundred and half raised their hands, but only three actually filed formal complaints. But in this case, as all others, one person objecting is more than enough. And also, according to the story this was after the headlining band apparently threatened not to play unless the club owner refused to press charges. So it's pretty clearly the cops were doing their darndest to get someone to swear out a complaint against Kinsella.

― SixStringDan, Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

...Tim Kinsella is probably the best current lyricist in music.

son, stay off the drugs.

love,

dad

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

The Kinsella clan ain't so bad!

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Monday, 12 September 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

If Scott Stapp disrobed, none of his fans would mind.

― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Monday, 12 September 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

everyone else, however, would melt like the Nazis in Raiders of the Lost Ark

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 12 September 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

Well, you know, the rapture and all...

― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Monday, 12 September 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

"DON'T LOOK AT THE DICK, MARIAN."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 September 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

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""took his pants off and exposed his genitalia and penis to the crowd."

His genitalia AND his penis? "

He's a herm! Which is, by the way, illegal in Oklahoma.

― js (honestengine), Monday, 12 September 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

But buying a ticket to a rock show is not an expression of consent to see people's cocks
I always wondered what the fine print on those Ticketmaster tickets was about.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), September 10th, 2005.

hahahahahaha

― ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Keep music evil.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Did Marilyn Manson have to register as a sex offender after rubbing his balls on that security guard's head?

-- ng-unit (kurious_orang...), September 10th, 2005.

no, suburban detroit welcomes that kind of thing

― ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Monday, 12 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Would he have to register as a sex offender in both Oklahoma AND Illinois?

― madras, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

"But buying a ticket to a rock show is not an expression of consent to see people's cocks, so that's kind of the risk you run."

But I've bought tickets to off-broadway plays that have featured scenes with dudes swinging pipe all over the stage, and naked ladies parading about - What's the difference between these two scenarios? Why would an "expression of consent" be required for an artistic performance that involves an exchange of money for entry? Would someone have legal recourse to complain about nudity in a play?

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

The problem isn't the law, the problem's the enforcement. Some rock drummer dropping his drawers onstage is leagues away from someone flashing you individually on the subway; that's a violation, the other's just, you know, nudity, and there's nothing particularly wrong with nudity in and of itself.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

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