To put it in context: in America there've been all too many young radical public figures who have died suddenly at the hand of some crazed "lone gunman" (for instance: MLK, JFK, and RFK). Such mysteries have never been solved, so I think it isn't so far-fetched to put Lennon in the same category.
Yes, I know all the smarmy wise-asses on this board will find it irresistible to make sarcastic jokes at the expense of a serious discussion. But I urge you to investigate the facts and all possible scenarios before commenting here.
Links to articles on this topic:http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htmhttp://www.john-lennon.com/theassassinationofjl.htmhttp://www.mackwhite.com/lennon.html
Thanks for your consideration.
― Torry Hotprune, Monday, 19 September 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)
"It was a tragedy of Kerkegaardian pointlessness."
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:28 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)
1. To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, ***as for political reasons***
― Torry Hotprune, Monday, 19 September 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)
um, that sounds a little unlikely seeing as sean lennon was 5 years old when his dad died!
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)
Anyone can say that, and still be killed by a loonie - especially someone with a high public profile, since such people are known to draw loonies to them. Besides, wasn't 1980 a bit late for getting rid of this "young radical"?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)
and thats the truth ruth
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Monday, 19 September 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)
― Torry Hotprune, Monday, 19 September 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)
I think Sean sounds like a bloke who's got a lot going for him.
― Chris "Chris" Martin, Monday, 19 September 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:56 (twenty years ago)
― Magic Alexx, Monday, 19 September 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 19 September 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)
ah-ha!
"(Chapman) was no more or less ardent a Beatles/Lennon fan than anyone of his generation. His real rock hero was Todd Rundgren, a cynical studio craftsman who could not be further from Lennon in artistic sensibility."
Todd Rungren in Melody Maker:"John Lennon ain't no revolutionary. He's a f------- idiot, man. Shouting about revolution and acting like an a__. It just makes people feel uncomfortable.
"All he really wants to do is get attention for himself, and if revolution gets him that attention, he'll get attention through revolution. Hitting a waitress in the Troubador. What kind of revolution is that?
"He's an important figure, sure. But so was Richard Nixon. Nixon was just like another generation's John Lennon. Someone who represented all sorts of ideals, but was out for himself underneath it all."
If I had the time and energy I'd make a conspiracy website about how Todd Rungren plotted the murder of John Lennon and that Todd's falling out with XTC was really because of Andy Partridge discovering old files where Todd explicitly plans John Lennon's murder. If it was chronologically possible I'd say that Making Plans for Nigel was originally called "Making Plans for John" and was about the process that Todd and the Reagan administration were currently in when brainwashing Mark David Chapman to kill Lennon. Turns out Rock and Roll needs more fan-fiction.
― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)
if lennon had been killed in 1972 it'd be a bit more likely, but in december 1980
So, Chapman was a little late to work. This brainwashing stuff wasn't an exact science yet you know.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)
why i be shootin at t-dawg rungen back on 86 was coz i asked him "yo are yo wesside? yo be down with da swindon town?" and he said "yo dawg i be with you cause i am wesside 4 life"
then mah homeboy c-money moulding said "yo a-train that t-dawg aint wesside, that biatch is eastside"
so i goes into that muthafuckas studio and shoot up da place. then i finds out that he be fuckin with mah album "skylarkin at da hoes"
also i should add that john lennon meant shit to a gangsta like me and da XTC crew
― gangsta andy partridge, Monday, 19 September 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)
http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/notorious_murders/celebrity/shakur_BIG/4-2-Officer-David-Mack.jpg
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:22 (twenty years ago)
What about BOB MARLEY?!http://www.bobmarleymagazine.com/articles/blunt.htmhttp://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/research/marley.html
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)
http://www.edromanguitars.com/guitar/gibson/images/fool.jpgnote: this guitar is a reenactment by a professional stand-in guitar.
Full story here
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:29 (twenty years ago)
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:56 (twenty years ago)
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)
― I Oppose All Rock and Roll (noodle vague), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)
― I Oppose All Rock and Roll (noodle vague), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:45 (twenty years ago)
― retroman, Monday, 19 September 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)
― Torry Hotprune, Monday, 19 September 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)
― I Oppose All Rock and Roll (noodle vague), Monday, 19 September 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)
Like Obi-Wan!
― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 19 September 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)
Sure, I have to agree. Just a bit moot. What if?
And then what?
ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT!
Somebody call Johnny Cochran. Oops, dead too.
Every lead is a dead end.
― crat-rat 24, Monday, 19 September 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)
He's been taking people out on a daily basis for years now. And its all done with surprising skill, using a myriad of techniques. You'll never be able to trace it to him/her (unless it's officially an act of God, of course, and even then he/she doesn't get taken to court)
And the scary thing is that he/she is so indiscriminate. His/her MO is hugely diverse and his/her motive is almost unfathomable(he/she works in mysterious ways, you know - what a giveaway!)
Obviously his/her motive for Lennon's assasination goes way back - "We're bigger than Jesus", "God is a concept by which we measure our pain", "Imagine there's no heaven" all must have led to one seriously hacked off deity.
He/she just bided his time and then wallop! No more "spokesperson for a generation"(TM).
― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Monday, 19 September 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 19 September 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)
― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Monday, 19 September 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)
http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/index.asp
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 19 September 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)
― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)
― adsgagf, Monday, 19 September 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)
― ryannyc (ryannyc), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)
― gangsta andy partridge, Monday, 19 September 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)
He hired that guy to fuck Yoko, he realised she was uglier than hell. So the poor bastard had to fuck Yoko. Then, he was killed.
John is living in Brazil, surfing in Copacabana.
― Elvis is Dead, Monday, 19 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, it wasn't an accident. I think that's been established.
Or was it?
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 19 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)
― CUSTOS JNR, Monday, 19 September 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)
Wow, I never thought I'd say this, but Todd Rundgren OTMFM!
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)
Dear Todd,
I like you, and some of your work, including "I Saw The Light", which is not unlike "There's A Place" (Beatles), melody wise.
1) I have never claimed to be a revolutionary. But I am allowed to sing about anything I want! Right?
2) I never hit a waitress in the Troubador, I did act like an ass, I was too drunk. So shoot me!
3) I guess we're all looking for attention Rodd, do you really think I don't know how to get it, without "revolution?" I could dye my hair green and pink for a start!
4) I don't represent anyone but my SELF. It sounds like I represented something to you, or you wouldn't be so violent towards me. (Your dad perhaps?)
5) Yes Dodd, violence comes in mysterious ways it's wonders to perform, including verbal. But you'd know that kind of mind game, wouldn't you? Of course you would.
6) So the Nazz use to do "like heavy rock" then SUDDENLY a "light pretty ballad". How original!
7) Which gets me to the Beatles, "who had no other style than being the Beatles"!! That covers a lot of style man, including your own, TO DATE.....
Yes Godd, the one thing those Beatles did was to affect PEOPLES' MINDS. Maybe you need another fix?
Somebody played me your rock and roll pussy song, but I never noticed anything. i think that the real reason you're mad at me is cause I didn't know who you were at the Rainbow (L.A.) Remember that time you came in with Wolfman Jack? When I found out later, I was cursing cause I wanted to tell you how good you were. (I'd heard you on the radio.)
Anyway, However much you hurt me darling; I'll always love you,
J. L.
30th Sept. 1974
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)
― Deluxe (Damian), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)
Lennon died because he was black.
― Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)
― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)
― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
― Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)
― I Oppose All Rock and Roll (noodle vague), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/12/nyc_radio_the_n.html
would love to know if there is a genre or archive of radio scans in general, and that would maybe be a better thread to throw this down on. but it's really captivating & atmospheric to listen to.
― inimitable bowel syndrome (schlump), Friday, 15 October 2010 11:14 (fifteen years ago)
Like Hinckley, MDC was a brainwashed CIA hit man, no doubt, y'all!
― iago g., Friday, 15 October 2010 13:45 (fifteen years ago)
About that radio scan... the one part where the guy calls in and says they shouldn't release the name of the killer- was that Chapman?
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 15 October 2010 15:37 (fifteen years ago)
wow @ radio scan, that's awesome
― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 October 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)
love that radio scan
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 1 December 2013 07:11 (twelve years ago)
and yeah, duh - of course he was assassinated. give me a break. does anyone REALLY think chapman acted alone?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 18 August 2014 01:25 (eleven years ago)