Thread to post DAILY miscellaneous questions/comments/musings REgarding: The Fall

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You don't have to like them - you just have to understand why they're cool.

Say what you will about the Fall ....

― Dave225, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Here's mine for the day:
How is "I Am as Pure as Oranj"?

..And what are the best Live records?

― Dave225, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just bought a fall album, and I think its busted coz the vocals aren't comprehensible!

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave, Throwing Copper. heheh

― helenfordsdale, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The video with the paintings, that was good too.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Throwing Copper

I knew as soon as I reread my post that someone would give such a reply. So lame it's funny!

― Dave225, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The best Live record is their latest (as always!), the sci-fi epic V.

― Andy, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Does that mean I can rip Ed K.'s face off to prove he's really one of David Icke's lizard men? Dude!

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

search for the nme group interview with shane mcgowan, nick cave and mark e smith. very funny.

― fritz, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Best Fall live is "Fall In A Hole" from NZ in the early 80s. "A Part Of America Within" is also tremendous. "Seminal Live" is to be avoided. There are 150 others that I have not heard.

― dan, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Andy, I TOLD you that _V_ has NOTHING to do with science fiction. Don't make me send you another mean e-mail about this.

I don't listen to the Fall enough.

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pay Your Rates!!!

― electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wait now, who are they again? I think I must be on the wrong side of an ocean or something...

― Dan I., Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"I Am As Pure As Oranj" is... not awful, but pretty inessential. First- Brix-era live Fall doesn't really do it for me. (Curiously, second- Brix-era live Fall is really fun, if _The Twenty-Seven Points_ is any indication.)

The best Fall live records are the aforementioned _Fall in a Hole_ (New Zealand, '82, includes the mighty and never-studio-recorded "Backdrop") and _Live 77_ (the earliest extant tape of the band--muddy but INSANELY GOOD, with Mark E. Smith completely out of his skull). The also aforementioned _A Part of America Therein_ is pretty great too, and it comes on CD as a twofer with the phenomenal _Slates_ EP.

― Douglas, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kinks covers for all!

― Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(after a quick Google..) hey, now I feel ignorant as fuck! woo.

― Dan I., Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Smith has spawned his own entire subgenre of singers who would not be singing at all if his phrasings hadn't struck them as just the thing. Also, M.E.S. invented rap.

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought Lou Reed invented rap.

― David Raposa, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i heard they covered a groundhogs song, does anyone know (a)which one (b) what record is it on (c) is it any good?

― , Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey Luciani, bafflin' smoke signals?

― dave q, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love LA

― tav, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the Fall are great.

I have setlist from the FAll's last concert in Dublin, signed by all of them! that must be worth about €0.50

― DV, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The lineup of 81-82 (Hanley and Burns on drums and Scanlon and Riley on guitars--"Hex Enduction Hour","Lie Dream of A Casino Soul") was very powerful and probably the best Fall ever.

― dan, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What have you got in that paper bag????? Is it a dose of Vitamin C?

― electric sound of jim, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(re: 2 posts back) yeah i saw em! 2x! christchurch town hall & university of canterbury, mid-82! man it was choice.

― , Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"He Pep!" renders Bis completely redundant.

― John Darnielle, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

By the time you read this, The Fall would've already released two more albums.

― Lord Custos, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So what's your coverage ratio on the Fall? I'd say I own about 25% of their records. Closer to 75% if you only count original, studio releases.

― Dave225, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have a friend who listens to only four hardcore punk acts I've never heard of. But I played him the fall, and he liked them, so now he wants to listen to The Fall also.

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gimme the lead!
Gimme the lead!
Gimme the lead!

― RickyT, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Some good Fall sounds like Howling Wolf or Beefheart playing Neu or Faust songs, and nobody else as ever sounded like that.

― dan, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i don't like men who hit women. making great music doesn't redeem you.

― di, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

....
....... Who wants ginger snaps? ....

― Dave225, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

http://home.sprynet.com/~grover/tumbleweed.gif

(tumbleweed)

― Dave225, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two months pass...

Just saw this today (maybe it's old news)
Fall Live RAs

― Dave225, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Groundhogs song they covered is 'Junkman' off 'Split'. I can't tell you which fall record it is one though as I've never heard it, and therefore can't tell you if it's any good. Have a look on Allmusic.com

The original Groundhogs song is tremendous though.

― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I read "Pan" recently, which is a Novella half by critic Camden Joy and it is all about the fall and it is GRATE!

― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I finally listened to (nearly) all of Middle Class Revolt the other day, not just Behind the Counter, Hey Student and Shut Up like I normally do. It's good.

― dan, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK then. "Various Times" is the greatest song ever written. FACT.

― Robin Carmody, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

eleven months pass...

"oh! brother" is oddly touching. also: suprisingly 'pretty' reverb-smeared guitar bits in middle.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 20 April 2003 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

Well, DAILY I don't know about, but I will use this thread to muse that the reissue of Hex Enduction Hour is imminent, and these are the bonus tracks on the second disc:

Peel session #5 tracks: Deer Park / Look, Know / Winter / Who Makes The Nazis?; 7" single tracks: Look Know / I'm Into CB; live tracks: Session Musician / Jazzed Up Punk Shit / I'm Into C.B. (Stars On 45 Version) / And This Day / Deer Park / And This Day (Revisted)

So that makes two versions of hitherto-unofficially-released "Session Musician" in as many reissues (the first is on the new A Part of America Therein, 1981.

Overall Peel Session box set still due in March.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, hold that thought, this is the corrected tracklisting via here:

The second disc contains bonus tracks: Deer Park / Who Makes The Nazis? (Peel session 5); I'm Into CB (b-side of Look Know 7"); and live tracks - Session Musician / Jazzed Up Punk Shit / I'm Into C.B. (Stars On 45 Version) / And This Day / Deer Park / And This Day (Revisted) [from 1997]. The 2 other Peel session tracks - Look Know & Winter - and Look Know (7" a-side) were removed at the direction of Mark E Smith.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

As always the rejoinder yes Mark hit his girl, she bashed his head in w/a typewriter (I believe), she prob won, he'd have to've killed someone to impinge much on the greatness of the Fall

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Only took you three years to respond!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Only in public

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean that thing put me off a bit at the time but then I finally met some girls and I couldn't get any of them to care

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF FALL REISSUES, FALL COMPILATIONS, AND FALL LIVE ALBUMS THAT I COULD PUKEMASTER ALL OVER DA PLACE.

What the fuck is so great about this DELUXE! EXPANDED! edition of Hex Enduction Hour? You get Peel Sessions versions of two songs that are already on the regular album--are they so radically different that this is terribly exciting? One track that was on the Hip Priests and Kamerads LP--why not just reissue that? And then A BUNCH MORE FUCKING FALL LIVE SHIT. Big deal!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That new best-of is pretty good, though.

― haitch™ (haitch), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha! You tell 'em Tim. A person can only take so much of this before they snap.

― Bimble..., Tuesday, 4 January 2005 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

In my case, as I only ever had Hip Priests and Kamerads from many years ago and then a CDR burn of Hex more recently, I don't mind this at all! Also, I like the Castle reissues for the liner notes, odd photos and things they found...it's a very enjoyable presentation, actually. So bring it on.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

If Mark E. Smith had not destroyed the Fall's discography, this deluxe reissue would not have been necessary (not that it seems really necessary anyway). They could have just kept simple singles comps like Palace of Swords Reversed and Hip Priests and Kamerads, or something equivalent, in print.

And again, all that's on the 2nd disc is more Fall live shit (to add to your collection of seventeen Fall live albums), two different versions of songs already on the regular album, and ONE extra track. ONE!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

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