interpol really are sellouts

"depths" is right. The depths of derivitaveness and abject clilché.

about interpol?
that's a good question...

hopefully, no one @ this point.
carlos d, perhaps?

me, nah....thanks.

-- okok (oko...), October 1st, 2005. (later)

Well, they must have sold at least 30,000-40,000 in the UK alone, because the album just missed the top 20.

Whos next, the departure?

done and done!!
and they sold out, too...
but, only people who REALLY like them are going to imaginary shows, they know all the imaginary words, and know all the imaginary dance moves they've made up!! it's, like, Interpol but without all that craptastical "music" they make!! instead, they use gtrs and drums!!!
it's like an avante-imaginary scene in my head!!!!

but, without all that fucking pseudo-mussed hair and bo-ho-bullshit clothes! it's great!!!
did i mention the temp's always 77 degrees?
yeah, slight breeze outta the north...

Buy Interpol prints!

http://photo.conn75.com/music/interpol_171204.php

Ta.

And to think some people have a problem with Indymedia!

1. GO TO BED

2. KILL YOURSELF

by "1997" I assume you mean "1985"

Antics will always be a better album than Bright Lights, you buncha sad indie boys

(/zing)

no, they stubled upon the formula in July, 1996.
they apparently liked it so much they continued it's use.

so, to answer yr question NO, but they did eventually get to suckin some ass!
whereas, SOME bands have that formula down pat from Day 1.

Now are you talking about Corgan, Flowers or the Interpol guy? Or indeed, 90% of music?

they stubled upon the formula

I like the idea of stubbling upon the formula, aka the George Michael scenario.

the two albums are practically identical except for the tempo you ninnies

Oh, and using tortured-undergrad-isms like "catering to the mainstream" mean fuck-all here. Same 'em for your dorm room or your local coffee shop.

it's all rawk n roll.
or so i hear...

and for the record, if the Killers or Interpol could even manage a Geek USA or Cherub Rock, hell, even a Starla or Bury Me, i'd change my mind on em, pronto!

that said, i doubt that'll happen. not enough LSD.

Great screen name, by the way. No jokes. (Y'know, I've never even tasted Nutrament, what's it like?)

Space, no one is going to engage you even half-seriously if you keep spouting idiocy. Your whole goddamned argument is held together with staples and duct tape.

Alfred's dead-on here - if Antics were just the sound of an amplified vacuum cleaner, it'd still be superior to Bright Lights just for the absence of this sophomoric, wince-inducing line

The problem is the way these groups are received and the people who celebrate groups like Interpol -- they include far more than "the kids," guys. Sure, some don't realize these weren't Interpol's innovations to begin with -- they never heard Joy Division, etc.

But the bigger issue is the misreading of what that means. Relying on someone else's template to the extent Interpol does means what Space Is the Place talked about--the artist's ability to reflect themselves into the song (a good point, btw)--becomes that much harder to achieve, though not impossible. And that's because so much of the song reflects someone else.

You saw this in the early 70's when even the best Beatles-facsimiles like Badfinger struggled mightily to forge an identity of their own. The result is usually a lot of really enjoyable music -- but that's about it. Until the artist either breaks out of that mold (as did Talk Talk w/ The Colour of Spring and Spirit of Eden) or really exploits a certain naturally-fitting element of the template (like Badfinger's Pete Hamm did w/ intensely desperate and personal lyrics), it won't transcend. It can't -- we've heard it before.

But that doesn't mean it's not fun to listen to. Hence, Interpol.

See, I have problems with the "but."

Some problems with artistic intention as a criterion for judging art: We can't know what those intentions were; the idea that art is a direct expression of an artist's intention is simplistic, ignoring the materials with which the artist works (language, instrumentation, record companies) that impact on the finished art; formal constraints (Bach writes great music within a set of tight rules).

Appreciating art is subjective, but reasoning about it needs some logical consistency.

Orbital

see, here's the meat of the arugement!! art and commerce collide and RARELY does it work out that they both come out winners. usually it's one or the other, seldom both. and if you make art with idea of commerce to follow, then yr doing it for the wrong reasons. oh, it's still 'art' but it's notion behind it that's the reason for the season! but, then again, maybe that's my idea of 'art' coming into play. i think that art's whatever you want it be, noise/harmony- flipsides of the same coin. now, which is gonna make more $$$? easy, harmony. but, which is more 'art'? noise? well, yeah...but it also takes some amount of creativity to make a harmony, too!

and here comes another part of the argument-
'better to toil in obsurrity and make great things some people love or be in the lime-light and make mediorce things that many people love'. the middle ground's the target, make enough to sustain and keep creating without having to "work" for a living. BUT, there are those among us that feel that 'just making it' isn't good enough and need MORE $$$. so,super-stardom's the target for many...

there's no winning the 'cred' aregument because it's a endless cycle of 'how do you define "selling out"?'.

me, i define it- is it acceped by a mass amount of people in a generic way, who don't care where/how it came about?

btw- i sold off all my indie cred, it was dropping in value. sell it while it's hawt...

Maybe The Strokes were important after all — just not the way some imagined at the time...

off by quite a few hundred thousand.

A strangely familiar number, that. Almost like I've read it somewhere aloud.

Organic: Discovery.
Not Organic: Human After All

I suppose organic an also be used interchangeably with "warm."

THEM: "Yeah, last week we saw Interpol with Bloc Party opening."
ME: "How were they?"
THEM: "Bloc Party were great and Interpol *SUCKED* -- it was embarrassing!"
ME (to self): "Heheheh."

But perhaps it was just their pizza.

Another word that's been beaten to death. Can't we just say "live-sounding"? That at least still has some meaning.

"Interpol's new album is totally live-sounding."

I saw them twice this year, and both times they were very proficient. But nothing more than that. Charisma and charm they have (had) not.

Chuck Berry: "No, I wouldn't have had time. The commercial value of songs is a great instigator."

And the appeal to metaphysical notions of aesthetics, particularly concerning INTERPOL of all bands, is absolutely ridiculous.

This thread has been fun to read.

and the fucking delightful hair,too...

...and this is being highly charitable. They were dull as dishwater live.

Except that not everything is.

But more to the point, you can't use "live-sounding" in a review without it coming across completely awkward.

Use as much flowery language as you want in a review, I'm talking about ILM.

Rembrandt to thread. Also Mozart.

-- monkeybutler (pdenniso...), October 4th, 2005."

ahh, but weren't they paid by royalty to create? kind of a 'keepin it in the court' sorta deal? i'm forgetting the real term right now, but there's a distinct difference there.

my point was this- if yr making any sort of "art" (loosely defined) w/ the notion that this will be something that makes you money, and NOT because it makes you feel something about said "art", then yr in dubious standings within any artistic scene...and "intergrity" is forefitted almost instantly.
now, if it does happen to garner acclaim and $$$, all the better, mind you. Warhol had is SO right by not putting ANY sort of 'feeling' into it, and letting you make it up/or taking it for what it was. much like "art", it's whatever you make of it. not so much what you make FROM it...

see, you get into such foggy places with this arguement...
such as 'how do you define success?', be it artistically or financially. the lines blur and people bend the "rules" all the time...

then there's always- who gives a fuck about art? let's dance!

So happy for Carlos D. Who would've thought he'd end up in three prestige pictures only 8 years after leaving Interpol to pursue acting? pic.twitter.com/aX5PkURfSK

— Nicky Smith (@MUGGER1992) January 18, 2018

i saw them play w The Cure a year before this thread started. luckily they hand't sold out yet so i was able to sneak away from the lawn seats and get a closer view for when The Cure played. amazing show

great revive