― Tom, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Curious to hear your thoughts on Pure Garage 5 if you've heard it. Pure Garage has been my primary source from the beginning, and there's a good bit on this new one that seems to be hinting at some new rhthmic space, kind of a side-to-side smear of the more typical up-down bounce. Should be interesting to see how that plays out, if at all.
― Andy, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― a-33, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― OleM, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I also have a strong suspicion that Chris Mac did the "Shake It" remix, but there's no telling.
― cooper, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The soca-style beat is also, if anyone's looking for a non-garage example, the main rhythm in the instrumental section of The Beta Band's "Broke", as I realised to my bemusement last night.
P.S. Andy I haven't even seen Pure Garage 5 around yet, but I was so annoyed at how E-Z managed to make a bunch of largely good tunes sound mediocre on #4 that I wasn't planning to check it out. Is #5 an improvement?
― Tim, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andy, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― tav, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― cooper, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
As for techstep? Yeah definitely, if we're talking about my own personal vision of the techstep that never quite happened - more cinematic, more ambiguous in its emotional terrain (eg. Hidden Agenda's "Dispatch #2" etc.). Nu-Dark Swing at its best sounds a lot more open-ended than techstep did/does though, which doesn't necessarily make it better, but certainly they're quite different in feel. I like in particular though how Horsepower Productions sound as much like a 2-step take on micro-house as any other tech-derived sound.
On the whole though I'd prefer if artists were taking their cues from the ragga side of things (eg. "Down Down Bizzniz" itself, which I absolutely love to bits) rather than HP's more subtle work, as I don't know if many others could pull it off with such success - subtlety in these styles is always a double-edged sword. Of course HP have already read my mind - "Log On" ties these two strands together.
(as is patently clear, I could quite happily talk about UKG all day)
― Paul, Saturday, 23 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
This is the thing I love (well, *one* of the things I love) about "Down Down Biznizz": the way the drums sound almost quite random and off-the-beat, like they're being played live by some enormous robot-ape. That energetic live-feeling (also present on "Boo!") gives it a captivating sense of urgency which I luv.
One bit that I didn't end up including in the article was a discussion of how, whereas in 2000 the beats didn't really change that much but every track *had* to have a b-line interlude, in 2001 there was much more focus on not only new riddims but also an attention to much more intricate and interdependent beat-bass interplay. "Down Down Biznizz" did inspire that bit on isotopes though. The whole thing sounds like it's literally disintegrating before your ears. (also on the Ayia Napa comp, UGC's "Mic Tribute (UGC Remix)" - a minefield of beats and percussive bass hits that is so deleriously well- programmed I inexplicably get quite emotional listening to it)
On the pop end of things, most of the tracks that did well in the scene I loved. What annoyed was hearing so many crappy obligatory remixes on all the non-UKG pop and dance singles I have to review. Sunship in particular irritated me with his range from brilliance (Mis-Teeq) to mediocrity (Posh), though at least he saves his best work for the most deserving. If I were to make a criticism of the pop end generally, it'd be that the really uncompromisingly "up" stuff sounds a bit forced now. I far prefer the pop + dark groove undercarriage approach of "Gotta Get Thru This" or The Underdog Project's "Summer Jam" - both as catchy as "Rewind" if not more so, but equally aware of the advances made elsewhere in the scene. Even the MisTeeq-Sunship stuff has an air of ravey hysteria that's a few steps removed from, say, "Flowers".
Thanks for all the recommendations, though! I'll be looking for them all.
― Tim, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I think one of the most interesting things to happen so far - say the last 8 months - is the backlash against the hard'n'dark - El-B, even, has been cranking off bouncy not-dark 4-beat things in the past couple of months. I've heard people like Francis James and Matt Jam Lamont complaining about the MC crews and how they play jungle in their sets, construing it as selling out.
What's really going on here is another turn in the ongoing young vs. old battle in UKG. Originally there was Grant Nelson, Ramsey & Fen, Tuff Jam, etc. (though Grant has adapted to the new dancehall style - and obviously Todd Edwards, but Todd doesn't seem to give a rat's ass what goes on in the UK - or what anyone else is up to at all. Ever heard him dj? 60 minutes of his own tracks.). Then we have the jungle implosion and the resulting shift into garage, producing the mass move into 2-step in '98. The next assault to the old guard has come from the MC crews (an idea borrowed from hip-hop!) - So Solid, Pay as You Go (the EZ radio show where he interviews them has some poorly-concealed jealousy - PAYG:"yeah, we've only been doing stuff for 2 or 3 years" EZ:"mate, it took me about 11 years to get where i am now, ha ha ha.")
Now there are people getting involved who are much younger than the original UKG crowd, which Reynolds described as being ex-ravers who tended up toward 30. PAYG are all under 23, the message boards are overrun by young folks who have the symptomatic SMS-corrupted spelling. They're all discovering the older garage, the material from '97, '98, '99 even. They've never heard any of the old jungle that's being thrown down, so they think this is the freshest stuff out there. It's a lucky way for UKG to hold its productive tension, and hopefully this will lead to a hip-hop-like permanent establishment for the genre.
― cooper, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
wot is going on with oris jay?! he's gone off the deep end, v. v. dark indeed recently. check "acid flex", "said the spider" etc is this the blunt darkcore emergence you'd been fearing above? i mean it's incredibly fun in a mosh way but not for long. in general is it me or are all ukg's offsprings slowly starting to codify?
― bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 28 September 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)
hope I'm wrong
― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:33 (twenty-three years ago)
All the D'n'd remixes are a must - these guys absolutely rule right now, reaching effortless ever-mutating heights of Bump'n'Flex. Everyone's raving about their excellent Blazin' Squad + Elephant Man remix, but I'm puzzled as to why no-one seems to big-up the '4 On Da Floor' remix of Beverley Knight's "Shoulda Woulda Coulda", surely the sexiest, sleekest, most gorgeous slice of nu-speed garage so far. (In fact, it's so good that they've ripped themselves off on the 2 Man Gang remix, which is also great).
Also, be sure to check out Sticky's mix of Slum Village's "Climax": fierce speakerquaking bassline ballet. On the other hand, his latest, bollywood-tinged "Golly Gosh" (somewhat disappointing to these ears), can be found herehttp://www.ukgmp3s.cjb.net/along with a new Fyrus track.
― Mind Taker, Sunday, 29 September 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)
Babu Storms - ElectricityBlowfelt ft. Slarta John - Back Up Back Up (Mr. Shabz Remix)
Both fantastic dancehall-garage biznizz.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 29 September 2002 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)
SEARCH: Paleface - "Dutty"
SEARCH: Flo Dan - "Big Mic Man"
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:36 (twenty-three years ago)
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― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)
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― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)
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― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)