Q magazine are just being gits now.

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This months "John Lennon" tribute issue, with free CD. two different covers.

Tracks are the same on each, apart from one has an exclusive BadlyDrawnBoy track, and the other has an exclusive Elbow track.

So, if you love both BDB and Elb, you have to buy both. John Lennon fans would presumably be unbothered.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

BUYERS OF Q DESERVE ALL THEY GET.

― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

Dude: Solesuck.

― Don King of the Mountain (noodle vague), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

Capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and controlled and which is characterised by competition and the profit motive.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

What is the exclusive Elbow track, please?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

q magazine sux0r.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

So, if you love both BDB and Elb, you have to ~~buy both~~ make some changes, seriously.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm not saying I am that person, btw...

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

"now"

― vinegar (Koens), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

Q magazine is a strange beast searching for identity.

It's sister EMAP title Mojo is a much stronger brand, and has more authority. Indeed since Mojo's launch in the mid 90s it gradually has stolen a large chunk of Q's older readership.

Q magazine has downshifted to a younger demographic profile, but it's casual style doesn't agenda set, merely apes NME for new artists and serves up establishment 80s/90s big name artists and a few rock icons from 60s/70s. Dull conservative predictability is the name of the game.

If the NME is written for 17 year olds in Walsall or Doncaster according to Conor McNicholas, then what is Q written for? 27 year old Coldplay fans working in a Call Centre in somewhere like Leeds or Milton Keynes?

Q the magazine of choice for Virgin radio listeners?

Strange that such a useless magazine sells more copies than any other UK music magazine.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)

not that strange, more predictable

― okokoOKOKO, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

well, those two things and plain baffling/dissapointing

― okokoOKOKO, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

It is more widely available.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

I assume there simply are many, many twenty-sth Coldplay fans with shit jobs in provincial towns.

― vinegar (Koens), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

WTF?? Q Magazine is a bigger seller than NME?????? I did not know that.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

This thread begs the question: when were they ever not gits?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

Never. Not once.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

It's aimed at the Geirs of this world.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

Geir Profile = Mid 30s Norwegian bloke with a liking for traditional melodic rock & pop music.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

gary mulholland still writes for it. it still has it's moments.

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

What is the exclusive Elbow track, please?

The CD is all John Lennon covers:

Badly Drawn Boy - Merry Xmas (War Is Over)
Elbow - Working Class Hero

― Matt Slack ((1903-70)), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

"Working Class Hero", what a fucking terrible song

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

i think you answered your own question?

xpost

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

I think that was a statement?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Ah yes, "Working Class Hero" with its real lyrics, i.e. "fookin' 98 per cent tax/Wish I was back in Weybridge/On the green with Brucie, Lynchie and Tarby/Shoot the miners" etc.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

Tommy Roe's song "Working Class Hero" is about a million times better

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

there must be musicians you like who've done worse things than vote tory, marcello?

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

I buy Q for the captions.

― Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

NRQ's post heralds the sadly inevitable entrance of Mike Love into the thread...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

.. who never voted Tory ever.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

He was, and is, a staunch Republican, which is arguably worse than voting Tory, though not much different.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Voting for the Natural Law Party is an even bigger crime than voting for the Tories

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Particularly when you're really voting Tory on the quiet (George "Taxman" Harrison).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

i think 'taxman' kind of gave away the game viz. george's voting record (that said, would i be all 'yay! 95% tax'? no, i wouldn't, even if i was rich).

― N+RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

especially if you were rich, that is the thing about capitalism.

― vinegar (Koens), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

yes, it's terrible! imagine all that money being spent on schools and hospitals when it would be far more gainfully used stuffing tons of colombian gross national product up one's nose!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

The CD sounds more like an instrument of torture than, you know, a "musical treat". The idea of listening to elbow playing working class "hero" is actually making me feel slightly sick.

They should ask me to record the piece for their CD. I'd rewrite the lyrics so they went "working class asshole with a kotex on his head".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

John Lennon? Working class?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

What were the lyrics to the original theme from Budgie? They were miles better than "WC Hero."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

working class hero is a joke

― Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

"lower-middle class asshole with a kotex on his head", then.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Full track listing:

Imagine (Live) - Madonna
I Am The Walrus (Live) - Oasis
Instant Karma! - Paul Weller
Beautiful Boy - Feeder
Come Together - Sugababes
I'm Only Sleeping - The Vines
Look At Me - Joseph Arthur
Isolation - Maximo Park
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away - The Subways
Mind Games - HAL
Nobody Told Me - Willy Mason
Don't Let Me Down - Stereophonics
Mother - Kubb

and either

Merry Xmas (War Is Over) - Badly Drawn Boy
or
Working Class Hero - Elbow

― Matt Slack ((1903-70)), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Unless I'm being unfair, and they've done it in the style of their cover of "Independant Woman" ?

(This is where you go OH THat wasn;t Elbow, that was Knee! (or whoever)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

dear fucking god. they should be shot. I'd rather hang than listen to that.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

"Independent Woman, "Working Class Hero" - what's next, "Young, Gifted and Black"?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

um, horrifying.

― Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Tha captions have gone downhill too. They used to be very funny.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

You mean, "Steady girls, they're married", underneath picture of ugly band - that sort of thing?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

""Independent Woman, "Working Class Hero" - what's next, "Young, Gifted and Black"?
-- Dadaismus (dadaismu...), October 4th, 2005."

Roffle Haus

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Imagine (Live) - Madonna

i just sicked up in my mouth a little

― foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Last time I bought Q (over a year ago) I remember getting a mini-mag inside it that was for some mens magazine that was being launched by the parent company. What were they telling me about their readership?

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

They were telling you it was mainly made up of males. It can't have taken you a year to work that out, surely?

― snotty moore, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Sting talking to Amazonian Indian with plate through bottom lip - "Can I have me CD back?" That kind of thing, Dadaismus.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

i don't know if lennon actually voted tory - as i recall, in one of his last interviews he said he never voted in his life.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

REVOLUTION IN THE HEAD BY IAN MACDONALD CHAPTER ON "TAXMAN"

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

i'm looking at that chapter now, doesn't say a thing about JL's voting proclivities.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

WHATEVER FECKIN CHAPTER IT'S IN THEN

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

imac's comments on 1968 are not as left-inclined as you might hope...

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

imac had no hope.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

did IMac have any actual evidence that JL voted conservative?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:54 (twenty years ago)

imac had no hope.

Projection, Marcello.

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

i believe goldman also mentions it somewhere in his book.

remind me how imac died again?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Without threating to do away with himself on public messageboards for years and years and distressing everyone around him with his behaviour? Taking his leave in an sadly unfortunate but nonetheless dignified fashion?

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

i believe that he committed suicide.

if you want to try to understand both imac and me better, read this.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

On the subject of the Beatles' voting proclivities, weren't the lyrics to Day in the Life drawn from that day's Daily Mail? Just saying...

― M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

Syd Barrett reads the Daily Mail.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

I read that several times at the time he died. I know very well what you think about Imac, I just disagree. I think there's quite a bit of evidence to show when he comitted the act (and who should be condemned out of hand for that? the views he held in life are another matter) he did have hope, he believed he was going on to the next stage of his spiritual journey. If that is so, I don't call that being or dying without hope. I gather this (ie Imac's entrenched opinions and depression) is important to you in all sorts of ways relating to your own attitude to life and yourself, but I don't think that's a good reason to throw such a casual and crass comment the way of someone who is admired by a lot of people for his writing. I'm sorry if I was harsh up there. This is a big topic.

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

On the subject of the Beatles' voting proclivities, weren't the lyrics to Day in the Life drawn from that day's Daily Mail? Just saying...
-- M Carty (mcarty...), October 5th, 2005.

yeah right. simon heffer: 'i'd love to turn you on.'

penman on imac is a great and important piece of writing. dunno if i agree. i think penman sort of scared himself with it.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

So how does that make IMac different from, say, the 7/7 bombers? Didn't they also believe that they were going on to the next stage of their spiritual journey and that they were going to be shagged by 240 virgins in heaven? Didn't they also die with hope? Doesn't make it right, or justify it. All IMac is now is an abstract, an example of where not to go with one's life. Just like Kenneth Williams or Kurt Cobain.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

ok, so he might not have killed anyone else with him, but he definitely wanted to kill any hope of any future of music. if i'm going down, music's coming with me!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Did you just type that? The first few sentences up there I mean. Wow.
As to your last two sentences, well, ok, that's if one believes the ultimate good is in simply continuing to exist as most of us do. Which I do. If I held different religious/spiritual points of view I might not, who knows. Talking about suicide vs harming others, seriously, there's nothing I can say to you that you don't already know if you're not playing the idiot.

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

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Imac wasn't Hitler ffs. Seriously, once again, projection.

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

didn't he have a family and friends? was his suicide, therefore, not harming others?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

Of course. But he may have felt that that he was more harm being alive, as many of those who are depressed do, I'm sure you understand that. Mixed up, otherworldy, engaged in profound thoughts, too far gone to be considerate of others and delinate some perspective - who knows what was going on his head. I would say that I think there are bigger things, and possibly worse things, than selfishness. If he was thinking of ultimate truths etc. etc. these things can take on a major importance above and beyond normal things, and why shouldn't they, at certain times in one's life?
Yes, I wish he would've pulled back from the act. I wish everyone would. But there's more here than just being dismissive because it satisfies one's own troubled mind.

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

What could be more selfish than suicide? Suicide is about caring about what other people think of you. What could be less selfish than suicide?

Now there's an ultimate truth for you.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

Suicide is about thinking you care about what other people think of you, despite what they actually think about you.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

penman on imac is a great and important piece of writing. dunno if i agree. i think penman sort of scared himself with it.

i agree with you. it's amazing as pure writing, and an incredible argument against suicide - but penman didn't really know macdonald at all. it's pure speculation.

marcello do you dismiss all religious/spiritual beliefs so callously?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

Suicide is about caring about what other people think of you. What could be less selfish than suicide?

This doesn't follow.

Anyway, I'll shutup about what I know nowt about.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)

after 7/7, could you blame me if i did?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

if you can't see the difference between someone taking his own life and terrorists murdering dozens of people i don't know what the fuck i can tell you.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

um, omit "the fuck" from that above post, i came off as more belligerent than i wanted to. but even if IMac did want to "kill any hope of any future of music" he certainly didn't come close to doing it; the only ppl who took his "music has gone steadily downhill since 1970" argument seriously already believed it.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

look at word magazine, or q, or mojo, or uncut, or the success of nick hornby, and you might think that imac's argument prevailed in the end.

you asked me about religious/spiritual beliefs. i answered you.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

i think you're cheapening imac's line by associating him with that stuff. of course i disagree with the notion that MIDI killed real music, but the book is a fucking stormer, he argues well and sincerely, and even an opponent can recognise that his values are important, even if he misplacedly associates them with certain eras of songwriting and musical technology.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Hitler "argues well and sincerely" in Mein Kampf.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

really? the idea that the jews are destroying europe from within is 'argued well'?

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

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No he doesn't. Tropes don't work unless you know what you're talking about.

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

well, IMac was a better writer than any of those guys - that made the argument a lot more compelling and interesting when he made it. and where hornby et al seem to go along with that line out of mere reactionary laziness, for macdonald his entire reason for existence seemed to be at stake (and i thought this when i first read the book, long before he died). so certainly a great writer, even if i wound up disagreeing with most of what he said (and he's hardly the only good music writer to hold such views - i just read a greil marcus interview where he gives the impression he thinks it's been all downhill since punk ended!).

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

(x-post: yes, IMac was def a better prose stylist than hitler!)

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)

Hitler presents premises, argues them methodically and, within accepted logistical boundaries of abstract discourse, brings them to a logical issue. Whether those premises are sound to begin with or whether the proposer proposes to act upon them in subsequent real life is a separate issue.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

i haven't read mein kampf. maybe you're right, but i doubt it.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

READING MEIN KAMPF IS HOW NAZI GERMANY STARTED

― Frogm@n Henry, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

WRITING!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

READING MEIN KAMPF IS HOW NAZI GERMANY STARTED
-- Frogm@n Henry (vl@hm.com), October 5th, 2005.

Ironically, it was more down to not reading Mein Kampf.

― Don King of the Mountain (noodle vague), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, I'm not buying Q, as it has a feature on James Blunt, and a nice pic of him, his gf and the queen.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

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