Alright, here is a thread to propose Great UK punk (1976-8) albums...

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And someone else can say "no"

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

"no"

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

We've done this already.

― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

(Check the trackback for context)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

X-Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolescents

― Googley Asearch (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

Hazel O'Connor - Breaking Glass (might as well be)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)

I don't really think there were that many, as it was all about the singles... but...

Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

borderline post-punk really, the 'cocks ("sixteen again" e.g.).

anyway:
Chas and Dave - One Fing An' Annuver (1975, deemed "the first punk album" by Charlie Gillett)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)

The Kinks debut (1964) was the first punk album.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

Vibrators - Pure Mania

― zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

If the Buzzcocks are "post punk" with Another Music in a different kichen", then there was never any punk ever.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

we should extend this a couple years to accomadate The Germs and Crass

― Googley Asearch (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

Actually...

Punk 1976-8 Vs Punk 1979-81

― Googley Asearch (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm tempted to add Crossing The Red Sea With The Adverts, but it's been a while and the memory might be defective.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

it wasn't that great.

anyway, Machine Gun by Peter Brotzmann pwns this thread.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

even though there's only one brit on there and it was recorded in '68.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

No, I think Crossing The Red Sea should be here. The 'lost' Subway Sect LP *would* have been here if Bernie Rhodes hadn't been such an arse.

Pink Flag of course.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

NADIR'S BIG CHANCE, f3wlz.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

Pink Flag isn't really punk. The Harvest imprint is a big clue.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

John Lydon, while stating that he 'shies away' from listing bands he likes as it ends up being used 'against' him, suddenly offered up The Adverts as 'always great' or thereabouts.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

.. in this months Record Collector, I forgot to say.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

Do It Dog Style - Slaughter And The Dogs

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Dancing In Your Head - Ornette Coleman (A&M Horizon, 1977)

Herb Alpert, what a guy! Drops the Pistols but signs Ornette!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

Lurkers - Fulham Fallout
Crass - Feeding of the 5000
Damned - Damned Damned Damned
Sham 69 - Tell us the Truth
Boys - s/t

Plenty of great UK punk albums came out in '79 but that's out of range unfortunately.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

None of the ones you mentioned was much cop either.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

So what was any cop, since you've dismissed virtually every answer on this thread, Mr Contrarian?

Yawn.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

"Damned Damned Damned" is great!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

It's not, though, is it?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

I like it!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

Not as much as I like "machine gun etiquette", mind.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

Music For Pleasure micturates on both.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

pfff.

(actually, maybe you're right.)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Of course 'Pink Flag' is punk. Art punk obviously, and so were the Kinks. 'Chairs Missing' however is emphatically not punk. The live side of 'Tell Us The Trooof' is great- if the Ramones really had been dumb that's what they would have sounded like.

― snotty moore, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)

if there's art, then it ain't punk.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

Damned Damned Damned was more than fine for its moment, but great? Nah. Music For Pleasure was just an awful sprawling misconceived mess, wasn't it?

Everyone's being too cool to mention the first Clash album, so I will.

Live At The Roxy WC2 has period charm, and a couple of great moments: Wire, X-Ray Spex (when Lora Logic was still in the band; vastly better version of "Oh Bondage! Up Yours!")

I'd also make a hesistant case for Eddie & The Hot Rods Teenage Depression.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

"That's life" was a concept album. By Sham 69. So, punk and not punk at the same time.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

And someone else can say "no"

Guess what I'm saying "no" to.

I nominate "short circuit live at the electric circus".

Also "singles going steady"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

if there's art, then it ain't punk.

Strongly disagree. Punk - Art = Sham 69 = dead end.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

And the first two Stranglers albums??

― zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Presumably the first clash alb, Pash?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Music For Pleasure was just an awful sprawling misconceived mess, wasn't it?

Nope - Lol Coxhill, who is more punk than anyone else mentioned on this thread thus far with the exception of Brotzmann, is on it.

Stranglers were pub rock ambulance chasers.

Punk - Art = Sham 69 = dead end
I wouldn't disagree with that. Do you remember when Pursey did go arty, with the Peter Gabriel-produced singles and sub-balletic leaping about on Something Else?

But then I think punk was a dead end, and it was only when Art was added that it became post-punk, and therefore interesting.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

The moment when punk mutates into post-punk (British variant) is the audience section of track one of Alternative TV's The Image Has Cracked.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

But the buzzers album predates that, surely?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

it is arguable whether the buzzcocks were ever truly punk. they were clearly on a different track from their peers from spiral scratch day one.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

Stranglers were pub rock ambulance chasers.

I don't agree. The Stranglers were cleary part of the punk movement, and they were one of the most popular bands who received the 'punk' attribute from the press. Also, they were punk in every sense of the word, except their age and their organ.

― zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

They were originally the Guildford Stranglers and formed in 1974. They were about as much part of the punk movement as the Dooleys.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

The Stranglers were clearly part of the punk movement.

No, I never felt they were. They always stood at a distance from the rest. And yeah, I think there was opportunism on all sides (band, label, music press) where they were concerned: there wasn't a lot of music actually being released, and they jumped into the void pretty damned quickly.

The moment when punk mutates into post-punk (British variant) is the audience section of track one of Alternative TV's The Image Has Cracked.

I always felt that Phase 1 of UK punk (the interesting open-minded art-school crossover bit, which happily accomodated stuff like Spiral Scratch) ended when ATV released "How Much Longer".

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

it's pretty easy to say punk was bad when you construct your definition of punk so as to carefully exclude everything you think is good.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't that the idea of punk?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

They were originally the Guildford Stranglers and formed in 1974.

Yeah, I know. But they had some gigs with other punk bands in '76-77, they had some Pistols-size scandals, and OK, they kept a distance, but these are still not strong arguments against that they could be called a punk band.

― zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

Hang on. The Stranglers existed in 1974 so are as punk as the Dooleys,

Lol Coxhill and Ornette Coleman existed in 1974 and earlier, and are?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

...as punk as....err.....fuck?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

**it is arguable whether the buzzcocks were ever truly punk.**

A long and tedious argument about what is/was punk is definitely to be avoided. I had too many of them back in the day to care for another one, BUT....the Devoto-era 'Cocks are pretty much the epitome of punk to me.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

I didn't start the fire.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

**They were originally the Guildford Stranglers and formed in 1974. They were about as much part of the punk movement as the Dooleys. **

Why? They WERE part of the punk movement. They made punk records, they played punk gigs. Just because they existed before means nothing. *Becoming* punk IS punk!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

The Stranglers were about as punk as Slik recording a song called "The Kid's A Punk."

Subs, Rejects, Upstarts - now THAT was punk.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

Why?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

Because they were REAL not POOFY ARTSCHOOL PONCES and they sang about the KIDS on the STREETS and LIDDLE TOWERS read Garry Bushell in Sounds he knows the truf.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

i agree, Billy Joel was the punkingest.

― Lee F# (fsharp), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Siouxsie & the Banshees - The Scream

Unless it is considered too interesting to be "real" punk (which some apparently think is a style and not a genre).

― These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

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