Taking Sides: SOUNDGARDEN vs. nirvana

But soundgarden is the more talented band.

"Fell on Black Days," which was also in 7/8 WTF" --OTM!!!

Try "The Day I Tried To Live"... 15/4, and rules harder than anything on Nevermind.

Or "Limo Wreck" (15/8)

Or "Rusty Cage" (19/8)

TEH INTERNET sez 7/4. Same as "Outshined."

hee hee... I haven't conducted interviews of Seattle area thirtysomething lady ex-scenesters, but I'm willing to wager that Chris Cornell's a better lay than any Novoselic. Or Grohl or Cobain for that matter. Just going with my gut here.

still, 4th of july, day i tried to live, and limo wreck are better than all of Nevermind.

1. "Come As You Are" shares the same bassline as "Eighties" (although, as I never tire of pointing out, "Life Goes On" by The Damned used that bassline before either of them);

2. The video for "Black Hole Sun" (where all those people keep turning into the guy on the cover of "Turn To Red") is the best Killing Joke video ever.

Am I right?

Oh, FWIW: [Killing Joke >] Nirvana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soundgarden

Who can tell?

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AIDS gave him his chance in the spotlight, but now it's time for him to give AIDS to someone else.

Nirvana tallies:
+2 for Incesticide
+1 for In Utero
+1 for championing bands like The Raincoats and Pixies
+1 for the hilarity of Tom Grant
+1 for breaking "alternative"
-1 for perpetually inviting Neil Young "Needle and the Damage Done" quotes
-1 for everything Dave Grohl's done since
-1 for making Courtney Love famous
-1 for inflicting angst as the dominant expression for a generation

Total? Nivana 2, Soundgarden 0.

That's a steaming pile of horse hockey, as I was already old in the 90's.

How can you be a Nirvana fan and still be so spectacularly homophobic?

Soundgarden = bigger Killing Joke fans than Nirvana.

Are you sure you weren't just getting old?

I was born old.

Dave Grohl is a better drummer like John Bonham is a better drummer, i.e. he comes up with great drum parts, kids learn to play drums by listening to him, and non-drummers love him too.

Therefore, they're both good, but Nirvana wins.

Oh please, I'm not homophobic. I was obviously being over-the-top. Besides, AIDS is not limited to the homosexual community. Why, with promiscuous trendsetters like Magic Johnson, we might all have AIDS someday. *eyes twinkle cinematically*

Surely there should be a stiffer penalty for this crime than a single point.

NOTHING was going to keep Courtney Love from fame. Nirvana and Kurt just happened to be along for the ride. And if he'd stuck around he could have learned a lot from her.

I still think if it weren't for him, Courtney'd best known as a mediocre chick rocker and one-time singer for Faith No More.

Aw, crap. Now I have to be, like, this thread's CLove apologist.

Alex: she only just got fat, so no fair.

Alex and js: "Dignity-unencumbered" kinda goes along with fameseeking-at-all-costs. Which she was and is. It's not as though she was nameless before she shacked up with KCobe.

A straight answer on what Kurt could have taken a note on:

Courtney Love, rock lyricist >>> Kurt Cobain, rock lyricist

That's not really a knock on Kurt, btw. She's just that good. With words. Always was. She's nuts, and sloppy, but she's also sharp as a tack and some kinda genius.

Nick Broomfield to thread.

*intentionally uncorrectd typo

Dave Grohl is a better drummer like John Bonham is a better drummer, i.e. he comes up with great drum parts, kids learn to play drums by listening to him, and non-drummers love him too.

This cannot be stressed enough. He may be a great drummer, but the Foo Fighters is bubblegum Nirvana and I cringe whenever I hear the guy speak/sing/get interviewed etc.

But anyway, Nirvana > Soundgarden. I like Soundgarden but trying to listen to their whole body of commercially released work is like wading through waist deep tar.

Why? Because he's talented? Ambitious? Intellilgent? Grounded? Humble? Knows his music and isn't a smacked-out fuckup like his old roommate? Gimme a break.

Soundgarden were still light years better than Nirvana.

Soundgarden gets 2 points for sounding like this on purpose and you disliking them for it. Also they were punker.

Evil Muppet Kim Thayil defeats surviving Nirvana dorks merely by retreating to Evil Muppet Kingdom to smoke pot and eat pad thai.

Aha, no. There are plenty of talented, ambitious, intelligent, and grounded musicians that release great music and don't have my resentment. Dave Grohl isn't one of these. Also, your statement is really quite flawed, as most successful musicians are talented and ambitious. And humble? I'm sure he's intelligent enough to know that people such as yourself will gobble up a humble veneer like a fine steak. Additionally, who gives a shit whether "his old roomate" is a "smacked-out fuckup like his old roomate"? It's all about the music, baby! Unfortunately, the music Grohl's done with the Foo Fighters is shite.

"Well, no, actually they merely question the link between HIV and AIDS, not that AIDS doesn't actually exist. "

I admire your attempt to phrase such a belief in a manner that doesn't make it look completely fucking insane, but unfortunately you didn't succeed.

My kneejerk answer would be NIRVANA, OBVIOUSLY, but I wonder if NYC Alex hasn't got some sort of a point. I haven't heard soundgarden in years, I do remember them being a really good heavy rock band. Nirvana are kind of like this band who have pinpoints of total awesomeness, but the rest of their output, I've completely forgotten.

"Tad" haha fucking hell, they were pretty terrible (I had a coupla their albums, also saw them live, w/Nirvana supporting, believe it or not!) All I remember is "Behemoth", and of that, only the "motherfukcer" bit. If you took the best bits of nirvana live, and combined them with the best bits of Tad live, on-form Mudhoney would still have blown them off any stage ever x 1,000,000.

I don't think Courtney Love is or was a particularly astute lyricist. Perhaps she was better than Kurdt, I dunno. Nothing she wrote sticks in my brain now. I kind of doubt she'd have meant shit outside the UK (where she was a rockcrit favourite in certain circles) were it not for the nirvana connection, tbh.

Maybe I'll pick up a copy of "badmotorfinger" on the way home tonight. I haven't heard it in years.

I quite like the foo fighters when I hear them on the radio, but their new single sounds awfully familiar in parts, like they've started self-quoting.

So what was your response?

Dave Grohl is a better drummer like John Bonham is a better drummer, i.e. he comes up with great drum parts, kids learn to play drums by listening to him, and non-drummers love him too.

To me, Dave Grohl, at least with Nirvanna, is more a good drummer like Charlie Watts is a good drummer - he's solid and plays the right thing but nothing he does ever makes me prick up my ears (at least not until I heard him with QOTSA)

John Bonham was actually a fucking awesome drummer. He'd have stolen every show if he wasn't behind two other ridiculously over the top cats.

Anyway, I think Soundgarden's songs kick ass more musically, but Nirvanna does a better job of creating a convincing aura. Soundgarden's aura is sorely lacking.

Agreed! But in an accessible way, not a Billy Cobham way, you know?

So... When does the Pearl Jam vs. Stone Temple Pilots battle start, since again, we're living through the back-of-the-bus high school arguments for me...

Evil Muppet Kim Thayil defeats surviving Nirvana dorks merely by retreating to Evil Muppet Kingdom to smoke pot and eat pad thai.

Truest answer so far.

Aha, no. There are plenty of talented, ambitious, intelligent, and grounded musicians that release great music and don't have my resentment. Dave Grohl isn't one of these.

...in your opinion. Incidentally, this thread ain't about Dave Grohl.

Also, your statement is really quite flawed, as most successful musicians are talented and ambitious.

I can name loads that aren't.

And humble? I'm sure he's intelligent enough to know that people such as yourself will gobble up a humble veneer like a fine steak.

It's not a matter of me gobbling up anything. I own exactly one album by the band. I just think Dave has a lot more going for him than his sorely overrated dead ex-bandmate.

Additionally, who gives a shit whether "his old roomate" is a "smacked-out fuckup like his old roomate"?

Droves of graveside groupies who believe the hype.

It's all about the music, baby! Unfortunately, the music Grohl's done with the Foo Fighters is shite.

...in your opinion. Once again, the Foo Fighters aren't the thrust of this thread.

"Well, no, actually they merely question the link between HIV and AIDS, not that AIDS doesn't actually exist. "
I admire your attempt to phrase such a belief in a manner that doesn't make it look completely fucking insane, but unfortunately you didn't succeed.

I just clarrified your accusation. I'm not trying to dress up anything. Once again, I don't subscribe to the theory either, but at least get your facts straight before you damn them.

My kneejerk answer would be NIRVANA, OBVIOUSLY, but I wonder if NYC Alex hasn't got some sort of a point. I haven't heard soundgarden in years, I do remember them being a really good heavy rock band. Nirvana are kind of like this band who have pinpoints of total awesomeness, but the rest of their output, I've completely forgotten.

To be fair, in listening to Soundgarden's back catalog over the last couple of days, they had a lot of not-entirely-crucial bits as well. Still better than Nirvana, though.

"Tad" haha fucking hell, they were pretty terrible (I had a coupla their albums, also saw them live, w/Nirvana supporting, believe it or not!) All I remember is "Behemoth", and of that, only the "motherfukcer" bit.

Tad Doyle was an entertaining guy, but yeah -- Tad were largely dreadful, pardon the pun.

Anyway, I think Soundgarden's songs kick ass more musically, but Nirvanna does a better job of creating a convincing aura. Soundgarden's aura is sorely lacking.

Hugely differ with ya there. Superunknown is fucking ALL aura.

they rocked the Sabbath Vibe........but Also the Weed and Pad Thai Vibe.

Musically, Soundgarden were passable, rocked decently enough, better than Pearl Jam or the gawdawful Mother Lovebone, but there wasn't really an urgent need to buy their stuff as long as record stores still carried Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath ("non-influences", uh-huh) discs, not to mention contemporaries like Kyuss or Trouble.

Nirvana similarly wallowed in misery, but at least Kurt Cobain put his money (and his shotgun-barrel) where his mouth was. Plus they had better tunes. Nirvana wins.

hahahahhahahahahahhaha awesome

i dont like cornell at all, never have, but i dont know that much about soundgarden to honestly pick nirvana.

Soundgarden I like all right, Superunknown is a good album and Badmotorfinger has its moments (actually they have good moments all over their catalog), but you know, they never really sounded anywhere near as heavy as they were trying to. I like their psych rips way better than their unconvincing attempts to rawk out - largely they're just sorta flat-sounding.

No shit. I made one comment about Dave Grohl and you decided to respond to it. Again, you're making another useless point. You derailed the thread as much as I did.

"I just clarrified your accusation. I'm not trying to dress up anything. Once again, I don't subscribe to the theory either, but at least get your facts straight before you damn them."

I didn't make the initial accusation. I did however say that your clarification doesn't change the fact that the theory is batshit insane. Learn to read.

Well, it's my thread to derail. Dick.

What the fuck? Well if you feel that way then don't criticise me for allegedly taking this thread on a tangent. If I were you I wouldn't respond to this post, the hole you're in is already deep enough. Christ, get a grip.

Have fun children

Outshined vs Drain You. I''l pick the latter.

Soundgarden lost at Badmotorfinger. I was one of those snotty 20 year olds who dropped the grunge when all the jocks started growing their hair long. Fact of the matter is, Superunknown was probably their best album, but I didn't really hear it other than the singles.

Nirvana? It's so hard to voice an opinion on them now. I never want to listen to them. I guess that says something.

Huh?

Gotcha. Though I'll admit I was kinda hoping to get schooled on why In Utero mattered more than I though it had...