there are a lot of cd's i bought when i was younger, which i didn't enjoy at first, but grew to love through constant, repeated exposure. i didn't have as much money than, and i didn't buy as many cd's, so i had time to give individual records a lot of play time, in a way that i wouldn't really bother with now.
i listen back now, and i feel that a lot of the tracks i grew to "like" are actually quite poor, and i just started to enjoy them because they became comfortably familiar, and certain things about them would eventually lodge in my brain. now i feel that maybe my initial response was correct. for some reason, i think that my judgement *now* is sounder, but perhaps it isn't? and perhaps it has nothing to do with "judgement" at all, just a shift in what i look for in a good record over time?
are you good at making the distinction between bad music that you have "learned" to like, and good music that takes a while to reveal its charms? does such a distinction exist?
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)
― enjoy bell woods (sjjd111), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)
thinking about it in reverse, two examples: i remember absolutely hating "when doves cry" growing up -- it was too "weird," deconstructed somehow so that it didn't even seem like a song. i probably needed about ten years' distance before i could listen to it and appreciate how good it was. similarly i hated "let's go all the way" by sly foxx, i think because it was so impossibly catchy. i'm don't think if i've heard it since then, but i can also appreciate that its very damnedable catchiness means it's "good." depends what you're looking for.
on the other hand, and perhaps more to your point, one of my college roommates listened to a lot of metallica. eventually it caught -- i don't see myself running out to buy master of puppets, but i wouldn't change the channel if "harvester of sorrow" came on, either.
― Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
― Roe Joe, Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)
There's also the possibility that I won't know enough about a genre to fully appreciate it. For example, is Kompakt immediately intriguing to someone who doesn't know much about dance musics? I kinda doubt it. With a fair amount of listening though, I think it can really grow on you...which I'm sure is why so many music writers out there have totally flipped out over it in the past few years. Enough people said "this is something you should be listening to" and it finally caught on after enough "study."
For me, I have to be aware of my moods...sometimes if I really dislike something on first listen for no apparent reason, I almost make myself go back and listen to it a couple more times because I must've had something up my arse that day. Of course, this doesn't always work. I hated The Arcade Fire the first time I heard it and gave it five or more listens because everyone else was constantly listening to it. It still doesn't strike me as very likeable, very interesting, or very special...
― bobby lasers, Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)
and the stereo in the car worked this strange way: every time we stopped, it stopped, too, and when we drove on, the CD always started playing from the 1st track.
i think in these 2 weeks we heard the 1st track for like 3000 times.
3 years later, back home already, i got so fecking nostalgic about those times and these 2 weeks in particular that i ordered this (not exactly brilliant) CD and even played it to myself while alone.
so i don't think you can actually like something that you have heard 3000 times, but you can subconsciously connect it with something good in your memory, or just get used to it. get used.
― nique (nique), Sunday, 9 October 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)
So you can't trust a first listen, but there has to be SOMETHING there to draw you back -- you can't just listen to every band in the world ten times until you're sure you do or don't like them. If I don't like a band from the first listen or two, I don't go out of my way to listen again. I have heard a lot of music, but of all the music I like, at least 90% of it I have liked from the first listen.
― Roe Joe, Monday, 10 October 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 10 October 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)
― wombatX (wombatX), Monday, 10 October 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)
― Dan Gr (certain), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)
Presumably this is a subtly different phenomenon from growing older/gaining in experience so that you like music you didn't used to?
Also there are songs which you are forced to listen to over and over again because they're popular and everyone else plays them. Then there are songs which you force yourself to listen to over and over again because you're sure there must be something in them. I think both options can lead to liking a song.
It's also partly about trust - there are some artists whose ability to make good music I trust more than my ability to tell good music on first listen. After I got into Hounds of Love by Kate Bush (which was not very difficult at all, at least the first half), I made sure I persisted with The Dreaming even though I didn't like it at first because I knew she could never release a bad album.
Similarly with King of the Mountain - even though I was a little underwhelmed at first I stuck with it because I know she knows what the fuck she's doing.
Somehow this has turned into a post about Kate Bush.
― Dr J, Monday, 10 October 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)