Christmas Comes Early to a Cursed, Blackened Earth....or.....THE STORES ARE FILLED WITH NEW RELEASES BY KILLING JOKE AND GANG OF FUCKING FOUR!

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Albeit neither boast any new material, but no matter.

I fully expect this thread to be chock full of froth-mouthed loathing and palpable disdain, so don't let me down, you pablum-drunk Hillary Duff disciples.

XXV GATHERING is a live album documenting last February's Anniversary shows in London, wherein your humble narrator got irretrievably intoxicated (so it's a damn good thing this album and the impending DVD are coming out so I can remember bits of it). The sound is crystaline and terrifying and will invariably give your grandmother a coronary if you wave it in her direction, so travel with caution.

I'd normally frown dismissively at an album like Return the Gift. What in blazes is the point of re-recording one's old material (unless you're going to do something radically different with it?) Be that as it may, if the live version of "To Hell with Poverty" presented on their website is any indication, this album could very well VIGROUSLY PENETRATE ONE'S EARS IN A VISCERAL MINDRAPE!

Suffice to say, I'm well pleased.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

alex in nyc when people parody his schtick, you know.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Viral marketing?

Old School (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

"VIGROUSLY PENETRATE ONE'S EARS IN A VISCERAL MINDRAPE!"

thanks but no thanks!

N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Slate had an article on the re-recorded Gang of Four album by Simon Reynolds here:
http://www.slate.com/id/2127526/

I was going to post a comment on the article, but my dog woke me up & 4:30 AM this morning & my brain is mush. I did kind of think this was a sketchy paragraph- I don't so much buy this "you must maintain your punk credentials" thought process.

As it happens, like those Soviet commissars reborn as industrial barons in the '90s, most of Gang of Four "crossed over into enterprise" (as their post-punk fellow traveler John Lydon once sang it) after the group disintegrated and have thrived in the business world. Bassist Dave Allen's long résumé includes stints at Emusic.com, Intel's Consumer Digital Audio Services Operation, and the Overland Entertainment Division. Drummer Hugo Burnham plunged into the corporate heart of the music industry, working for EMI Music Publishing, Warner Bros., and Island before starting his own management company, Huge & Jolly. Until recently, King was the CEO of World Television, a webcasting/corporate TV/news production/event-management company. On the face of it, it's disconcerting that King, author of the savagely mordant lyrics to songs like "Capital (It Fails Us Now)," should have become a sharp operator in the realm of shareholder meetings and venture financing. (At one point, the first part of his e-mail address was "investorrelations"!) Then again, what were they supposed to do during the '90s, this bunch of smart, university-educated guys? Likewise, with Return, why shouldn't Gang of Four exploit their own legend and literally capitalize on their moment in the retro sun?

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm totally psyched about "A Denny Lethargy Christmas"!

Lion-O (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

The sole problem with the GO4 thing is the fucking offensively insipid and ghastly remix CD. The rerecordings are inconsequential, really

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

That version of "To Hell With Poverty" ain't inconsequential. It's better than the original. Haven't heard the rest yet but the tracklist looks promising. Another point Reynolds made in that article is that they can put the rerecorded versions out on their own label.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Someone I know had Jon King as a boss for a while. Apparently, as that extract suggests, management bollockspeak exited his mouth like most people exhale air

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

in RIUASA it says 'entertainment!' was recorded to sound the way it does (eg NBG) out of some quasi-political decision about form, so the re-record could potentially actually rock.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Someone I know had Jon King as a boss for a while. Apparently, as that extract suggests, management bollockspeak exited his mouth like most people exhale air


hahaha. Management Bollockspeak should be the title of the remix disc.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

The only remix I'm curious about is Tortoise's Paralyzed.

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

You can listen to "Return the Gift" here:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=24334472&Mytoken=6A212AA6-6839-40A7-90A78473E190AF61586630062

Whatever GO4's motives for recording it, the new album is a good representation of their current live sound. They rocked last Friday in Athens, and nobody at that show appeared to be bothered by their reincarnation as a nostalgia act. Michael Stipe and Vanessa Briscoe Hay of Pylon got to do backing vocals for "I Love a Man in a Uniform" and looked pretty excited about it.

Brad C. (Brad C.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

"'entertainment!' was recorded to sound the way it does (eg NBG) out of some quasi-political decision about form, so the re-record could potentially actually rock."

I don't know if this is true but the idea that G04 deliberately opted for a production that didn't 'rock' as a political stance sums up them and their era perfectly.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

management bollockspeak exited his mouth like most people exhale air

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I find this entirely plausible; but I still think he deserves some sort of Lifetime Sarcasm Achievement Award for screaming "WOOO!!!" repeatedly during live renditions of "Natural's Not In It."

xero (xero), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Alex, are you in the picture on the back of the KJ CD? Is it likely you'll be visible on the DVD?

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if this is true but the idea that G04 deliberately opted for a production that didn't 'rock' as a political stance sums up them and their era perfectly.


-- Soukesian (byakhee2000nospa...), October 11th, 2005.

yes. yes, it does, doesn't it! and my, what results their decision not to rock brought us. truly an act of commitment.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

file under 'i knew this was an alex in nyc thread before i opened it'!

hi alex!

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

"my, what results their decision not to rock brought us."

Well a badly produced album, for one. Preferred Bauhaus at the time, still do.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Out of curiousity, where do I get the edition w/the remix CD, of questionable merit as it is?

Also, did anyone else get the version with the dollar bill in it? Fucking brilliant.

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

or could someone oblige my lame indulgence and please post the yyy's remix?

firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Said it before, will say it again -- the essential Gang of Four album is the Peel Sessions comp.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

John, you bought this? What is your verdict?

(I think the remixes are available on the second disc of the double-CD British release, and are to be released in the US later on as a separate item.)

xero (xero), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

These versions are good, but I don't know that any are better than the originals ("Poverty" included) and there are some questionable decisions. Most prominently, the change to the guitar riff on "What We All Want"--it's as if Gill doesn't understand what makes that groove so great!!! Also not real into his guitar sound in general on this album (though the playing is up to his former level)... And I'm all for losing the 80s production on "I Love A Man in Uniform," but I sure miss the female backing vocals. Also, that last song... ? is that one so essential, compared to, say, "Outside the Trains Don't Run on Time"? Or was it too embarrassing to admit they had only 2 LP's, 2 EP's and one single's worth of songs to remember?

These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Alex, are you in the picture on the back of the KJ CD? Is it likely you'll be visible on the DVD?

I'm in there somewhere. Haven't seen the DVD yet, but I'm hoping to catch a glimpse of my drunken self therein. Will post accordingly if so.

Picked up Return the Gift, and while it's not essentially, it does rock rather fucking furiously.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

It should have been called Return the Git

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

i have listened to both discs of "return the git" and it is frankly a bit of a waste of time. i like the taut, afraid-to-rockness of "entertainment!" and ... well, i don't need new versions of any of their songs.

also, the hot hot heat remix of "damaged goods" is perhaps the shittest thing i've ever heard in my puff. (ladytron's "natural's not in it" is ok, mind.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

has anyone come across any decent new interviews with the band, though? i'd really like to hear king's own take on what he's been doing for the past two decades and how he squares it with the band's stance, etc etc.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

There are a good few if you google. Jon King, AFAICT, has never discussed his later career, and really why should he? He does keep saying, with slight variations, that revisiting the work of his younger self has been interesting and often pleasing (there IS oil under Rockall!) -- which I read as making the point, subtly but unmistakably, that he is not at all that person now. Which is fine and to be expected, but in that case I'd be more interested in hearing from the 2005 one, if there's still an artist in there in addition to a performer and a really fucking smart business guy. He also keeps saying that he's discovered, somewhat to his own chagrin, that he's become really angry again, without quite specifying about what.

xero (xero), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

you know it occured to me tonight.

i am jealous of alex.

i wish i had a band that had meant everything to me for the last 25 years, and were still capable of releasing totally relevant music all this time later.

i wish i had that same uncontrollable joy whenever new product found its way into the release schedule.

as much as i still love certain bands from my youth (pun alert), i cannot think of one that still gives me the same adrenalin rush that alex so obviously still enjoys, in fact i cant hardly think of one band that is still a going concern.

its a breathe of dirty alcohol stained air, and for that i am totally jealous.

thanks, ya lucky bastard

m.e

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

He also keeps saying that he's discovered, somewhat to his own chagrin, that he's become really angry again, without quite specifying about what

gaah!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

like those Soviet commissars reborn as industrial barons in the '90s, most of Gang of Four "crossed over into enterprise"

I'd like to just point out that this is a spectacularly idiotc simile.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Or even idiotic.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I think it's an amusing simile on the most superficial level, but beyond that it totally fails. The Soviets in question were in positions of power in the previous system and adapted to the new capitalist structure, whereas these guys went from subversive (ok I know what's subversive and what isn't is always a dubious call, but in any case you couldn't argue that Gof4 was in lock-step with hegemonic cultural trends) to more mainstream business pursuits.

These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

You could make a somewhat better (if still basically ludicrous) analogy comparing gof4 to those avant-garde artists who became bureaucratic functionaries after the Russian Revolution, but that would be a bit less current...

These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Jon King's new job (click "meer")

”Radical changes in consumer behaviour and expectations driven by rapid technology change make new forms of brand communications essential,” King says. “Print, the web, video and audio content must now be designed to operate as integrated campaigns and delivered to users wherever they are in a format that suits them.”

“Creative story telling now has exciting and distinctive new possibilities for expression.” Kirk Cheyfitz, CEO of The Publishing Agency, says, “Jon brings unique visibility, talent, creative energy and experience to us. His arrival also marks the first and most critical step in our transformation from a publishing agency into a true multi-channel creator of brand stories in all media.”

“Today, with media changing rapidly, clients need a partner that can engage and excite audiences with brilliantly told stories in print, on the web, on mobile platforms, on DVDs and in any other medium now known or shortly to be invented,” Cheyfitz said. “Jon is the perfect practitioner for this time of change.”

xero (xero), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

To hell with poverty, indeed!

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

It appears that there are two different versions of that Killing Joke album (UK and US?) with substantially different tracklists.

If you'll excuse the expression: What's That For?

Presumably all the tracks from both albums will be on the DVD when it eventually comes out?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

No there isn't (i have both the US and the UK versions, `cos I'm that kinda pathetic). There's also the DVD, mind you. That has a different tracklisting.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Why rationalize a turd? "Return The Gift" is nothing but a nostalgia disc - uniformly inferior versions of mostly great songs. I don't think they had any subtle, subversive reasons for making it (contrary to what Slate suggests), and as much as I want them to have a comfortable retirement and all that, I don't really care if it's good for them financially because they can put the songs out on their own label. Write some fucking new songs and put those out on your own label!

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

OTMFM

xero (xero), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

whats all this about spilling coke and faith no more?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

how the fuck do killing joke get to release 2 albums a year? how many copies does alex buy of each?

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Thursday, 20 October 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Ahem. I have heared (most of) the re-recorded album (GO4)

Statement: These guys are not the guys they porported to be back in 1978.

Opinion: They weren't those guys back then either.

It's easy to nail your predispositions to the tree, when you're not actually subject to their restrictions, like they were later.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 October 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

I normally think it's unfair to hold someone to account over the political stances they may have taken twenty years ago. But in the case of miserabilist gits like the G04, I'm more than willing to make an exception.

Soukesian, Thursday, 20 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Oh, absolutely, go for it.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 October 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

As I wondered on another thread: The 'speech' part of "Love like Anthrax" : Has that changed? Or I imagining it?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 October 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

Are outmoded brand communication strategies what King is really angry about now?

(Come to think of it, is HE the bastard behind the Arctic Monkeys 'buzz'?)

Soukesian, Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

Ah, he might have put into place, Brand new brand communication strategies

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

not impossibly ... he surely had kind words for the Arctic Monkeys single on Steve Lamacq's BBC radio roundtable a few weeks back

kfw, Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

"No there isn't (i have both the US and the UK versions, `cos I'm that kinda pathetic)."

Interesting. On re-checking Amazon I se that you are (of course) correct - although I'm sure they did have different tracklists when I looked a couple of weeks ago. Can't remember anything except that both were the same for the first half and one was one track longer - might one of those have really been the DVD tracklist? Can't seem to find a tracklist for that.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

The new version of Anthrax has Gill ruminating over what the song meant to them in 1979. It's a bit pointless because he doesn't say much different, though his beaten-up, world-weary voice is a bit of a shock. Worth hearing anyway.

Cracks (Crackity), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

how many copies does alex buy of each?

Well, the 2003 album came in three different editions -- Yank, UK and Japanese -- each had their own bonus tracks, so yeah, like the dick I am, I have all three versions.

No such luck this time.

On re-checking Amazon I se that you are (of course) correct

See that you don't doubt me again. Hahahaa.

The skinny on the DVD tracklisting.....

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 October 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

Blimey, if they'd made a really seriously concerted effort, do you think they could possibly have fucked up any more of those song titles?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)


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