simon reynolds talks about wiley, dizzee, and grime in general at stylusmagazine.com

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he talks about why my record wasnt as good as dizzee's and why he didnt like it as much
whatever you say, mr reynolds, i know my album was BIG

― wiley, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Wiley, when is your next record coming out?

― Lion-O (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

ive got at least three albums worth of tunes already done, just putting it together right now, but really, im waiting to see if any labels are gonna be interested. depending on what response i get, i will decide whether i am going to put out another album of bare cheese and pop-fluffery or if i am going to put an album out that shows what i can really do

― wiley, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Mr Wiley I thought your album was good as 'Showtime'. As for new albums, put both the bare cheese one and the more experimental one out, on the same day. Try and make them available on bleep.com or similar as well!

― Panthro (blueski), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

i dont have enough money to put both albums out on the same day, my good friend logan sama has put the word out to labels that i want to get signed (this depends on whether anyone listens to kiss at 2 in the morning though) but i will have to wait and see if anyone wants to sign me or let me waste yet more time. i think my album was as good as showtime. i dont know why i keep rapping though. what is bleep.com? all i know is white labels! dont talk to me about downloads!

― wiley, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

I'd love to hear that last sentence on a track! I'm still optimistic about the idea of people going it alone on the internet - sell your own work on your own site, build up the fanbase. It might be too niche to make real money but it'd be something. If you want the yacht you have to make the cheese for other people, but no shame in that. Problem is even that won't sell so well when it's young black British artists trying to sell to the masses in the UK, even when it's Americanised glitz. So maybe underground IS better ultimately?

― Mumm-Ra (blueski), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

why do you think dissensus envies ilm, wiley?

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

i dunno, really. dont most people think its the other way round? that ilm envies dissensus? i think it might be cos big boy writer simon reynolds posts there a lot and thinks ilm has jumped the shark, as the americans like to say, or it might be that dissensus envies ilm cos ilm has a sense of humour innit? dissensus treat everything really a bit too seriously and over analytically, plus theyre like a cult, a closed circle, they seem to be a bit incestuous, and theyre always congratulating each other on everything each other says. theyre a bit cliquey and stuffy really, so not much beef there. theres no war, like there is in e3. if i met someone from dissensus, i would have to say that really, sufferer said he dont know you. dissensus is like being in a library, ilm is like being in a playground. thats how i would put it.

― wiley, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

You can't even download that two-month-old Stycast anymore: why are we starting a thread about it now?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Wiley, the video for "The Avenue" sees you buy a comic book to read. Have you ever considered visiting ILC?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Wiley, when you say you like Pies, are they savory pies or are they sweet pies? Cuz i like both, but i was hoping you were talking about a good sweet fruit based pie. Ha! Fruit Based Pie, that sounds like Dizzee!

― biz, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

tell me what ILC is and i might consider it
at the moment, i havent decided yet, but i am thinking of going to either the arctic or alaska maybe, im gonna see how the inuit people live and if they like the eski sound, i might do the first ever eski dance outside of england there. i wanna get some huskies too

biz, you get airpie for asking a question like that, but still, i like all types of pies, mainly jamaican patties though

― wiley, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

here is the stycast -
http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2TK1JNQZQSJSG1PHG0GVRR0YLK

― the ghost of bliss blogger, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Very strange to hear critics speaking. They sound like dudes in the kitchen missing the party.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

"if i met someone from dissensus, i would have to say that really, sufferer said he dont know you."

!!! Inspired.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

dissensus is like being in a library, ilm is like being in a playground. thats how i would put it.

That's not a bad summation, W, except I would add that ILxors generally work on the premise that the library can be a playground!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

dizzee is the worst "artist" to ever release an album in human history and i blame it on you internet faggots

ps: stylus more like GIRLS ALOUD GAY FAN CLUB

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 05:59 (twenty years ago)

also wiley i dont know who you are but you are probably shithouse or "shizzle in da hizzle"

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

wiley.... dude, props.. the uk grime (call it waht you want) sceen is smashing it now...dizzy has recorded with lil jon... sway is set to smash it, roll deep are working the charts like crack dealers in a hackney squat... you boys ain't missed a trick and ok, in my opinion those tunes are a lil on the cheesy side... hearach avenue!!! you boys getting paid... pies was a sic tune.. love that baseline...!! drop that album mate... people know you are a big player in the industry and need to be heard!!! and as for while lables.. feel fee to hit me up!!!!!!

― raptordj, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

cue 200-post thread on dissensus about how sway isn't proper grime it's just rap innit (cont p 94).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

hip hop, grime, esko... its all rap init... just good tunes!!!

― raptordj, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

well i know that and you know that, but the learned chaps at dissensus don't.

just out of interest, what do you make of plan b?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

dissensun and plan b are not in my vocab.... educate me !!!!!

― raptordj, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)

dissensus is here if you want to go and have a look at it.

surprised you don't know about plan b? "sick 2 def" on run the road 2? it's the standout track!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

plan b is acoustic-rap shitness.

― patrickbateman, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

this is the best grime thread ILM has had in an age.

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

500 more argumentative plan b posts by lunchtime please!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

to be honest, i dont think the plan b track is complete shit, i just dont think it has a place on run the road 2. its as if you bought a stooges album and found it interrupted mid way by a donovan track. there are also at least three better tracks on RTR2 - kanos mic check, jme's serious, and lady sov's a little bit of shhhh. the rest is pretty much garbage.

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

little bit of shhhh is awesome.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

wiley, where do thing it went wrong for so solid?

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

not to be pedantic, but sway ISNT grime!

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

see i told you!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

but its true marcello!

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

no i think you'll find true was spandau ballet.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

the plan b acoustic track is TERRIBLE! when i saw him at x central he did his entire set on an acoustic guitar and it was one of the worst things i've ever seen. a pity because he's pretty good otherwise.

i like the doctor & davinche track on rtr2 best. oh yeah and the no lay even though it's pretty much unorthodox daughter redux.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

I am a sad person and I really really want to believe that was really Wiley and that everybody responded to him calling him Wiley 'cause they knew for certain that it was really him.

Showtime was more emotional than Treddin', or at least milked the emotions that speak loudest to me, but I think Wiley's got a masterpiece in him

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Is this REALLY Wiley? I mean, like, REALLY?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was Lemar.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

yes it's really me, wiley, i think the problem a lot of people have believing that its me is cos they just cant get along with wiley, even though i try really hard.

― wiley, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

personally i think plan b is a decent rapper, its just when he starts playing that awful jingle jangle guitar bollocks that i rapidly lose interest. hes worse than fucking wyclef or k-os. he might be the first acoustic wasteman.

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Produce other people's records, dude, you're good at it. Leave the rapping to other dudes. Make them sound wicked.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, I think Wiley's personality on his album came out better than a lot of other MCs out there e.g. Kano may be pretty or whatever but there's something missing there also - some sense of real emotion maybe? Dizzee's got it and that's a big part of why he's blown up. Also Wiley is a funny guy, as is Sway.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

wiley, i own only one grime record, 'boy in the corner' by someone or other. do you think i'm typical in this, and if so, why? i liked the record, but didn't play it all that often after the first few weeks. this might just be me, though. if i should but another grime record, which should it be?

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

if people are honest, they will admit that humorous, clever, gregarious and bear-like as wiley is, hes only good at spitting one verse at a time. he was great on 2 for, hes great on the radio, hes great one verse at a time. but give him a whole song to man all on his own, and you have the makings of dissapointment. to be honest, the guy is doing too many songs at the moment with other people, its hard to keep track, and well i dont really want to as theyre just not that good. but generally, he should only do one verse at a time. maybe im cynical but i dont have high hopes for his new album, going on what ive heard so far. someone give this man some money to make an instrumental album though. PLEASE. warp, rephlex, someone please do it!

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

instrumental grime would be dull as it is - too minimal. but then again without an MC spitting overly complicated lines there is more scope for developing the music more.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i know. its a sad realisation but youre right. i still like listening to grime instrumentals on their own though (not all, but a fairly large amount). im sure wiley could make some great instrumentals that stood up on their own without the need for an MC.

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

does no one else think that great as wiley is, half the time he just sounds bored as an MC? especially on the recent 12"s hes been putting out, the guy sounds like he cant wait for it to end! that was the good thing about 2 for, he sounded lively. not that hes been the pits or anything for the past few years, but i think his MCing did lose something when dizzee left. he lost maybe his best sparring partner.

― lethalfizzle, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

but then again without an MC spitting overly complicated lines there is more scope for developing the music

did somebody call me? ;-)

personally in the early days i went much more for the instrumental grime stuff than the vocals. the music really did seem to be coming from nowhere. for instance, it would be great to have a cd album including all the various mixes of "ground zero" which i still think is one of the best singles of the millennium thus far, and i'm not just saying that because wiley started this thread.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 13 October 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

spandau ballet is 1000x better than this wiley faggot

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I do sympathise with the Dissensus point of view on certain things...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but Spandau Ballet were better than Wiley.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

see? even dom knows the truth

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

Spandau Ballet might have been better than The Truth, I'll grant you that.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/thriller/images/091a.jpg

― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

The Truth were well-used in The Hidden

― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

Wiley to my knowledge has never killed his own.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

wiley has killed thousands of people just by being crap

this is a totally serious post btw

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

I bought Wiley thanks to some ILX poll. in the end, i did get four bucks from Amoeba for it.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 13 October 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

funnily enough, while i dont want to get caught up in the dissensus-ILM wars (haha), someone on dissensus has just made a post saying how they think wiley will outlast everyone in grime (he probably will) but they ruin it by prefacing how they think wileys new album will catapult him to new heights beyond the scene. AS IF! this is never happening people! sorry wiley! youre a visionary producer, but your songs generally fall quite a bit short. xxxpost- i agree with marcello on the instrumental grime thing, and i think theres more than a few wiley productions that can stand up quite easily on their own. the b-side of ground force for example is absolute genius.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 13 October 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

No problem with instrumental grime tracks (well it depends on the track) but I appear to be the only person in the history of grime fandom who doesn't think Wiley's "Ground Zero" is the pinnacle of the form. Is it me? Am I crazy?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

i dont think its the pinnacle but it IS good.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

It's better with vocals, and there's a billion better Wiley 8-bars. Well, at least 10.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

ice rink is better.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

ice rink is better.

does no one want to talk about the actual stycast?

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

I appear to be the only person in the history of grime fandom who doesn't think Wiley's "Ground Zero" is the pinnacle of the form. Is it me? Am I crazy?

u must think ur still slumming it on dissensus! i dont recall anyone on ilm having a good word to say about 'ground zero'. sounded suddenly awesome with vocals tho yeah

given the lack of similar fuss over equally worthy wiley riddims at the time, i think it's fair to assume ppl just latched onto the title and went off on a poignant one. ideally we shd all do a macabre blindfold test and see if 9 out of 10 cats choose 'ground zero' over i dunno, 'colder' or 'morgue' as their most delightfully evocative riddim of 9-11

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

does no one want to talk about the actual stycast?

I can't believe that bloke sits down and edits the songs into the file but doesn't edit out his mumbling, waffling, dead-end questions, stutters and interviewees opening their mail loudly into the microphone when they get bored with waiting for him to finish a question.

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 14 October 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...

Just in time for the funeral, a wreath arrives in the mail: the promo of Semtex’s Grime Wave mix-cd, forthcoming on Sanctuary, “hosted by D Double E,” and containing all the big bangers from last year… Brought back a mighty memory-rush, but also a sense of that-was-then, been-and-bygone finality.

Never before have I de-cathected from a beloved genre so abruptly, swiftly, completely. It happened a little less than a year ago, and ever since the interest level has stayed level--hovering just north of nil.

http://blissout.blogspot.com/

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 7 September 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

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