― corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)
― Andy Kershaw, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)
― Reggie, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)
― corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist Scientist in occultation, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)
― Reggie, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)
open back up, suckah.
― the law (wolves), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)
haha you're new here, aren't you?
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)
― ianinportland (ianinportland), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)
totally. i know several hipsters/recordcollectors of a certain age who are all about jugband/blues/katmandu fieldrecordings and who pay no attention to new stuff anymore. burnt-out/less time to devote to new stuff(the old stuff isn't going anywhere)/etc. it is my future, probably. i'm halfway there.
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)
― Gavin, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)
In Jim Jarmusch's latest movie, "Broken Flowers," a graying former ladies' man played by Bill Murray has a strange companion with him as he searches for some old girlfriends, one of whom may have borne his son. He's gloomy but intrigued by the quest, and his mood is matched by the passenger in his rental car: a CD of brooding and mysterious music, a little funky and a little slithery, a bit like a 1970's blaxploitation soundtrack and a bit like dense modal jazz. He never seems to know what to make of it, but he clearly likes it.
The music is a particularly obscure vintage made in Ethiopia in the late 1960's and early 70's by a jazz innovator named Mulatu Astatke, and thanks to "Broken Flowers" and an acclaimed series of CD's, his music has enjoyed a little renaissance lately. A prominent figure in Ethiopia but barely known to Western listeners, Mr. Astatke makes a rare United States appearance tonight at Joe's Pub with the Either/Orchestra, an avant-garde jazz group that has championed him.
From the moment Mr. Jarmusch first heard it, about six years ago, the music got under his skin, he said, and he began seeking it out wherever he could find it. "When I was writing 'Broken Flowers,' " he said by phone from his home in the Catskills, "I was listening to a lot of his music, and I was thinking, 'How do I get this music into a film that's set in suburban America?' It even led me to make the character of Jeffrey Wright of Ethiopian descent." In the film, Mr. Wright's character, Mr. Murray's next-door neighbor, gets him started on his journey and hands him the disc. Several songs by Mr. Astatke are used prominently in the film, and are on the soundtrack album, released by Decca.
Mr. Astatke, a vibraphonist and bandleader, had a suitably cosmopolitan upbringing for a music that blends jazz with funk, Latin music and traditional Ethiopian five-tone scales. Born in 1943 in the western Ethiopian city of Jimma, he was one of the few musicians of his generation to be educated abroad. He went to the Trinity College of Music in London, where he studied clarinet, harmony and theory, and in the early 60's attended the Schillinger House of Music in Boston, now the Berklee College of Music.
"My whole idea," he said by phone the other day from his home in Addis Ababa, "was sort of fusion with Ethiopian and jazz and modern music. I started at Berklee this idea of the 'Ethiojazz' business. From there I came to New York and I had this group, and what I wanted to do, I did it there."
His group in New York, the Ethiopian Quintet, was mostly Puerto Rican. He recorded two albums in the 60's on a small New York label, Worthy. He jammed with Dave Pike, who was Herbie Mann's vibraphonist at the time, and remembers his time here fondly.
"We had all these big bands," he said. "And the Village Gate, the Village Vanguard, the Palladium - there were all these clubs around at that time." He was surprised and delighted to learn that the Vanguard is still in business. "It's still around?" he said. "Fantastic! Wow!"
Mr. Astatke returned to Ethiopia in the late 60's and took part in a fertile musical scene there in the waning years of Emperor Haile Selassie, who was deposed in 1974. Establishing himself as a jazz ambassador, he brought the Hammond organ and vibraphone to Ethiopia. "I changed the whole Ethiopian music," he said without shyness, "combining jazz and fusion with the Ethiopian five-tone scales. Since then my name has been on the very, very top of the Ethiopian musical scene."
The music of that period, influenced by American funk and soul, is being collected in "Éthiopiques," a series of albums on the French label Buda Musique, which since the late 90's has run to 20 volumes. Mr. Astatke's disc, Vol. 4, is its best seller and has seen a bump in sales since "Broken Flowers" was released in August. It is now selling about 1,800 copies a week, said a spokeswoman for Allegro, the albums' American distributor; that is equivalent to the sales of a new album by a world music star like Youssou N'Dour.
Last year the Either/Orchestra, led by the saxophonist and composer Russ Gershon, performed in Addis Ababa and met Mr. Astatke. The group has since brought him to the United States for concerts twice, the first times Mr. Astatke had performed in New York in many years. After performing at Joe's Pub tonight, they will go on a brief Northeastern tour, traveling to Boston, Philadelphia, Washington and Colgate University in Hamilton, N.Y.
Mr. Astatke said he had been following news of "Broken Flowers" by e-mail ("I'm very far away") but had not yet seen them film in its entirety. He added, with a laugh, "I'm going to see it in New York."
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)
― Voodoo Child, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)
-- scott seward (skotro...), October 12th, 2005.
In a general sense I think probably since high school I've been only about 1/4 interested in whatever's going on right now in the States and 3/4 interested in stuff from the past and/or from elsewhere. I kind of take this attitude like, if something really great is going on, one of my friends will let me know about it, but I tend not to like most of the new stuff I check out. Whereas older music feels like it's already a bit pre-sorted, and the worst stuff has probably fallen between the cracks.
I still have friends who make fun of me for listening to "world music" at all though, which is kind of stupid, especially since I don't generally listen to anything that could be classified as "world beat" (usually signifying a very deliberate and ham-fisted mashup of cultures) so much as I like to check out juju or samba or whatever. I think the pretty obvious line of reasoning, which I'd guess most of ILM agrees with, is "why limit yourself to one part of the world?"
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 13 October 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)
But I would say that reggae / dub / dancehall etc accounts for about 50% of my listening time.
― paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 13 October 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 13 October 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)
― TRG (TRG), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)
― Matt Carlson (mattsoncarlhew), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)
― corey c (shock of daylight), Friday, 14 October 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)
― acb (acb), Friday, 14 October 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)
so, what do we think of charlie gillett, iain anderson, nick gold etc. being "racists who just want to own and control black culture" as a certain contrarian music writer once said?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 14 October 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 October 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)
Nah, that was Terence Trent D'Arby, The Christians and Londonbeat!
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)
I thought they were a bunch of beat-up middle-aged rockers who heard about this acid-house rave dance thing and decided to have a go at making some.
― acb (acb), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)
I wouldn't dare suggest that anything is always the case with anyone, I only meant that it does happen a fair bit among people who grew up as rock fans... I'm sure people end up listening to whatever it is they end up listening to through as many different paths as there are listeners, but the rock -> ever more particularized type of music (be it "World", Roots, Jazz or whatever) is a particularly well-worn path.
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 14 October 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)
The Beatles ("Tomorrow Never Knows", "Norwegian Wood", "Within You, Without You"), Led Zeppelin ("Friends", "Kashmir", "In The Evening"), The Kinks ("See My Friends"), The Rolling Stones ("Paint It Black"), The Doors ("The End"), Peter Gabriel, &c.
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)
― RockIstSci, Friday, 14 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)
So in that way it's like any other genre.
Still, "I'm sure people end up listening to whatever it is they end up listening to through as many different paths as there are listeners" is correct, ie the genres exist within listener's mind. If I were to turn up at a party (comprising mostly middle-class Westerners) in where the music played was raï or kroncong, I'd think "oh, world music heads" and put (sub)cultural prejudice into full effect; if it was joik I'd think "haha ironic fuXors"; if it was Bulgarian voices I'd think "cool, 4AD fetishists". All wrong, of course.
― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 14 October 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)