Ponderous word-choice in Pitchfork's review of the new Boards of Canada

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The macro of Boards of Canada's music is so well ordered, so complete, that the stories of the constituent parts are incidental.

Macro as a noun? What the fuck is this guy talking about?

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

"Fucking PONDEROUS, man."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

They recorded the album entirely using Excel.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Why is that all italic? Hmm...

Here's another gem from the same review:

That feeling of nature's green as gold, the stream of sunlight through fluttering leaves, the communion with the environment that always involves a confrontation with death. There's a reason people bring weed with them on camping trips.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Ctrl-Shift-F7

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

And then re-recorded it using a calculator for that "old" sound.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

"Fucking PONDEROUS, man."

What?

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

GOOD GOD I HATE PEOPLE.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

That feeling of nature's green as gold, the stream of sunlight through fluttering leaves, the communion with the environment that always involves a confrontation with death. There's a reason people bring weed with them on camping trips.

This is just bad editing; that period should probably be a semicolon.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

It reads better if you include the sentence before that:

Boards use of guitar on tracks like "Chromakey Dreamcoat" and "Hey Saturday Sun" makes explicit something about the band's sound that was always just beneath the surface: the connection of the music to the pastoral tradition of British folk. That feeling of nature's green as gold, the stream of sunlight through fluttering leaves, the communion with the environment that always involves a confrontation with death. There's a reason people bring weed with them on camping trips.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I just don't understand what weed has to do with anything.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

no dan, its bad writing.

the only way to edit that is to strike out the teenage attempts at Walden (though the semicolon would help).

Unless that is just a long lost 10,000 Maniacs line that the teenage me would have been charmed by.

bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Ctrl-Shift-F7

Scrolling down I read that as "Ctrl-Shitfit"

disco violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

This isn't a bad review.

I've read far worse on there, punctuation errors or not. I understand what that 'weed' paragraph is getting at fine.

login name (fandango), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

That feeling of nature's green as gold, the stream of sunlight through fluttering leaves, the communion with the environment that always involves a confrontation with death. There's a reason people bring weed with them on camping trips

I was impressed especially by the phrase "nature's green as gold" until I did a Google search and discovered that it's lifted from a Robert Frost poem:

Nature's first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

true..those phrases are far more Frosty than Waldeny, now that you point that out.

bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

and why exactly did music criticism turn into poesy? this is why I only look at the score.

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Mark Richard-San plagiarizing Robert Frost: HOW COULD YOU????

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

am I the only one disappointed that the review of Animal Collective's "Feels" wasn't a massive opus of a review modelled after Whitman's "Song of Myself"? Oh MAN that would have been tight!

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Er, you guys do see the big semantic difference between the Frost line and the Pitchfork line, don't you?

It's florid and teetering perilously close to overwrought but Brent-D-talking-about-Radiohead-circa-2001 still wipes the floor with this in the "if I wring my hands hard enough, a review will magically appear" stakes. I've also not seen anything on the site in recent years as astoundingly offensive as that infamous Air review.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

is "ponderous" a good word-choice either?

(btw, i got the casey kasem reference. hope i get some points for that.)

sublime frequency (sublime frequency), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Good lord. I'm always depressed by these "let's attempt to pretend this review is embarrassing" threads, partly because they're really the home territory of Chris Ott, but mostly because they seem to reveal how often people just read "wrong," whether negligently or just deliberately. I haven't even read the full review yet, and these picked-over sentences make perfect sense. It's not really florid, and it's not really teenage-Walden: it's a string of three passing example references intended to put some specific associations to the "pastoral tradition of British folk." They're specifically written in a passing yadda-yadda-yadda kind of way, just a few steps this side of putting them in parantheses and adding "you know, etc etc" around them; this is the work that "that feeling" start is doing. They are, in order: a Frost reference (and geez this isn't a "steal" -- it's one of the most famous poems in America and he's talking about pastoralism, it's an obvious shorthand reference), the sunlight-through-leaves bit (the go-to "you know the kind of thing I'm talking about" image), and then a third one (examples in threes, please) that actually opens up into something that turns back to BoC in particular -- the undercurrent of darkness or sprirituality that usually comes along with that pastoralism. (And geez NOTICE he talks about that undercurrent being MORTALITY, which is exactly what the Frost poem he's already referenced in ALL ABOUT.) And then, following the unpacking, it gets neatly packed into a snappy turn: people take weed camping because they're bringing some slightly more tripped-out spiritualist element into the pastoral experience.

Anyway please don't blame Mark Richardson just because you didn't pay attention in ninth grade English.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Nabisco OTM (only when I took ninth-grade English, I learned about semicolons, hence my editing comment).

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

btw, i got the casey kasem reference. hope i get some points for that

Cheers.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

a Frost reference (and geez this isn't a "steal" -- it's one of the most famous poems in America and he's talking about pastoralism, it's an obvious shorthand reference)

My use of the word "lifted" was unnecessarily provocative - I didn't mean that he literally plagiarized it. I recognize that it was an allusion - and clearly an appropriate one to the feeling he was talking about.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

I just don't understand what weed has to do with anything.

then you should smoke some listen to some boards of canada

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

then you will see what it has to do with EVERYTHING, mannn

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Threads like this depress you, Nabisco? That in itself is depressing.

Forget about the pastoral bit -- what about the use of the word "macro"? I just don't understand what he means.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

you do understand what it means, although you also recognize that it's incorrect grammar. The specific arguments against the review in this post, I agree with nabisco about -- yeah, they make sense. That doesn't change the fact that I hate record reviews like this. I don't want to read some shit that sounds like it was meant for a literature class, making allusions to poetry and speaking more about abstract emotions and imaginary imagery than the actual music. I still hate this review.

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

maybe he means "scope" or "expanse"? it makes a sort of sense even if it's incorrect.

xp

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

i thik its a fair allusion and a good attempt at a clever way to handle a review. but if i had edited it, i would have required another try on the phrases after the frost allusion and cut the weed reference (though, its a fair enough point..just rubs me wrong).

i do want to read reviews like this. but they arent easy to write damned well so i don't end up loving too many of them.

bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

The expanse of Boards of Canada's music is so well ordered... ?

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

ok, "breadth"

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

In this instance, "macro" means "the big picture".

At what point did inferring meaning from context become a lost art?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

one of the most famous poems in America

And also I imagine an immediate choice for

POO: Worst Frost poem.

Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

In this instance, "macro" means "the big picture".

At what point did inferring meaning from context become a lost art?

I think the point is: something equivalent to "the big picture" would be better in this case.

Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

xpost

But Jesus, Mickey, it's like three tossed-off image references. And there's a term for pieces of paper that talk talk about "actual music" instead of emotions and images: they're called "sheet music."

Nigel, you're right: that word is going to be a little confusing to anyone who's not kind of already-immersed in the ways people talk about electronic music. The way Mark's using it, in context, is the traditional lay sense -- "macro" as the largeness, the totality, versus "micro" as the details, the constituent parts. He's saying he doesn't care much about the details of the group, the stories and the who-does-what, because the totality of the music feels complete and impressive in and of itself, without specifics attached.

(The possible point of confusion with that is that during recent years there's been the development of the term "micro" -- like in "micro-house" -- to talk about what electronic music-makers do with the small details of their work: the timbers and placements of little clicks and washes, the intricacies of the textures and filigrees and tweaks. Calling that stuff "micro" suggested a complementary "macro" level, having more to do with the overall shape of the music, its movement and build and release and such. And so when I saw the quote out of context I thought maybe Mark was referring to that.)

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Pardon me, "timbres."

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Shiver me, "timbres."

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

And there's a term for pieces of paper that talk talk about "actual music" instead of emotions and images: they're called "sheet music."

That argument is a gigantic pile of horseshit and you know it.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

You make good points, Nabisco.

Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Granted, Dan, it's roughly as horseshit as the argument it's arguing with. But when someone's leveling "too poetic" charges at a review for, umm, throwing out exactly one reference, one image, and one abstraction to talk about what "pastoral" means, I can't imagine what they're asking for, apart from, I dunno, an endless page of zeroes and ones "reviewing" the CD.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Nabisco, if you really want to give yourself a headache, go read the P-fork threads on the Last Plane to Jakarta sometime!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

that should be LPTJ boards

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

I kind of hate to beat a dead horse, particularly in an instance where the review in question isn't (IMO) guilty of this, but sometime it would be nice to read a review of a piece of music that spent some time talking about the components of the music in musical terms (ie, tempos, key changes, time signatures, chord progressions/harmonic shifts, deceptive cadences, arrangement/range considerations, song structure, etc etc etc). Even drawing parallels to other artists or to previous works by the same artist, or contrasting styles with another artist has you talking more directly about the music.

Again I reiterate that I don't think this criticism applies to this review. There are a bunch of music-specific things that someone could write about beyond "How Song X Makes Me Feel: A Poem At The Fifth-Grade Level", however, and as you say it's just as spurious and unfair to broadly describe anyone wanting to read actual music analysis or description as wanting "an endless page of zeroes and ones 'reviewing' the CD" as the misreadings/criticisms of Mark's review on this thread are. Except the semicolon thing, because I said that and I'm perfect.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

ILM: Where critics critique critics.

moley, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

for five years now, ahem

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Dan, isn't that what Amateurist was calling for a while back?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it was. I'm pretty sure that I agreed with him the few times I chimed in on the discussion; if I didn't, it was more a "you're right but don't be such a cock about it" thing than a "your entire thesis is laughable and your mother is ugly" thing.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

I mean, is it really asking too much to say, "I like it when music critics know about the mechanics of the medium they are critiquing and use that knowledge when they review things"?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Dan I think we are both basically happy-medium moderates on this front, but maybe straying to opposite sides of center. What I feel like I see lately is a situation in which anyone who tries to use criticism to talk about senses and evocations -- even ones as simple as what "pastoral" means -- opens himself or herself up for endless mocking from a chattery inner circle: e.g., ILX. And so the pressure becomes to talk about concrete things in the sense that music geeks talk about them: whether something sounds more like this band or that band, whether they're influenced by X or Y, whether something really falls into the limits of this or the other genre, whether this album is better than or worse than A or B or C. I fear this not only because it can get boring, but because it can get completely insular: it becomes a web of music-geek comparisons and associations and semantics that aren't meaningful to a lot of potential readers, because they don't refer outside of the music-discourse world to touch on something on the real world. So I get peeved when something like Mark's nice abstraction and "camping with weed" references -- which really do ground the band's music in an appropriate and recognizable real-world space, one you don't need music knowledge to latch on to -- gets the wizard's cap treatment.

But yeah, you're right: I'd definitely like to see more attempts at actually talking about musical form itself. (Look at Dominique's Delia & Gavin review on Pfork today -- he starts differentiating between keys and modes!) I wanted to try this over the weekend -- talking about the kind of elaborately formless songs people start writing once their bands have been around for a few decades -- but I couldn't quite isolate the structures going into it.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

I pretty much agree with you Dan, and the argument for reviews that use specifically musical terms (and criticise music qua music)has been churned through on ILM plenty of times in the past, by Amateurist especially if I remember right.

There are 2 problems here: firstly, that there are too many smartarses looking to criticise P-fork at any opportunity; and secondly that BoC don't do much more than refine their own sound on each album release. I don't have a problem with the latter, but the peeps that indulge in the former better be impressive writers if they don't want to look like moaning wankers.

Nöödle Vägue (noodle vague), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Who's gonna write the new formalism for rock crit then? I remember there was some talk about it. I'm putting on reading glasses and dusting off my Cleanth Brooks manuscripts as I write this.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Excuse the x-postial repetition, but I couldn't be bothered to type it out again.

Nöödle Vägue (noodle vague), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I really need to read some Pitchfork when I get home tonight; lately every review that's been linked from there that I've noticed has been:

A) written by someone I've talked to here;
B) awesome.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

NB one of the things I find interesting about Richardson's writing is that he used to write so predominantly about electronic music -- i.e., stuff without a lot of concrete "human" qualities to talk about -- that he got very good at just casually talking over its evocative qualities. He had the normal knowledge of what everything sounded like, and which comparisons to make, but he'd work through that and pretty non-poetically get to the other stuff: "this track sounds like rain falling," "this track reminds me of carnivals," etc. Because those sorts of associations are, so far as I can tell, the way people actually think about good electronic music, and talk about it with their friends -- only there's a lot of risk and embarrassment in actually taking it out into the public sphere (cause what if your personal associations are, like, lame?).

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Shockah: Lazy Internet Types Call Out Pfork for Being Impressionable Teens;
End Up Sounding Poorly Prepared Themselves!

Dare (Dare), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

Dan, what publications do you consider to write in the style you prefer?

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

I read Rolling Stone out of habit (I got a subscription back in 1997 when I still halfway cared about the artists that appeared in their charts that's probably going to run out this year). I used to really like Spin in the late-80s/early-90s. Beyond that... I like most of the published writers who post here but I don't actually follow anything, be it magazine, website, newspaper or blog.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

I really need to read some Pitchfork when I get home tonight; lately every review that's been linked from there that I've noticed has been:
A) written by someone I've talked to here;
B) awesome.

If you read it today, you'll find a review of someone you've talked to right here. Tee hee.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Nice!

(BTW: Rereading Mark's review makes the editing point strike even more close to home for me; everything is well-argued but the grammar is haphazard.)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

ILM: Where critics critique critics.

ain't nothing wrong with that.


to chime in on the whole "well, how should we write today" discussion:

after taking about a month off from writing or editing anything (and granted i was already lazy before that), i have a tendency to agree with Dan and Nabisco in looking for some more knowledge. At the same time I still need to stand up for my old argument for the more floral style. (which is, theres no use in writing something if it isn't amusing to read, because most serious music buyers don't much care for a critics take anyway). of course ballance is the key. I salute the various Pitchfork writers for often being the more exploratory writers out there. At the same time, I question how editing gets done because some pieces really do seem half-baked.

(to de-rail this thread even further)again we have seemed to stumble on the question of "what is the critic's role?". untill we get that figured out, the best way to write shall remain paradoxial.

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Slightly off-topic concernng the argument here which I find slightly tedious.

Does Pitchfork have an editor? How could the following two faulty sentences which disturb my flow of reading be posted?

When music possesses such an uncomplicated immediacy, the story of how it was made and by whom it is less crucial.

Boards could previously could be counted on to offer a display of crisp, forceful drum programming to jar you out of your narcotic haze ("Telephasic Workshop" and "Gyroscope").

I tend to agree with the general image the review conveys of the album (pastoral, sluggish, dreamy, repetitive) though I think that it is the one where they have perfected their sound and it is therefore their best.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

you corrected the first mistake there, mark but not the second. that's pretty weird. i just got the album and relistened to it. it's premier cru boc, that's for sure. i really love how they integrated the guitars in their sound. they sound tired. fitting perfectly with the analog synthesizers which are so fuzzy in comparison with digital ones. the tracklisting with the fading characters is fab. in the beginning i thought it was me who had touched it with my fingers so that the printing had worn off. best album of 2005 for me, still. if this does not break them i don't know what will.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Pitchfork writers in insecure-as-fucking-hell-and-not-being-able-to-let-it-go shocka.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)


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