the greatest four-record run in hip-hop history

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Bigger And Deffer
Walking With A Panther
Mama Said Knock You Out.

Hating on Panther is played.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

Reasonable Doubt -> Vol. 1 -> Vol. 2 -> Vol. 3

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Outkast - Atliens to Speakerbox/Love Below

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik to Stankonia

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Nonsense.

Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Tical
Return to the 36 Chambers
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Liquid Swords

(Yes, there's five, and yes, liberties have been taken, but this trumps EVERYTHING.)

jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

First four Outkast is hard to argue against. First four Public Enemy, depending on how much you like Yo! Bum Rush the Show and Empire Strikes Black, could contend, too.

Its morph 'em to pun cute (Matt Chesnut), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Vol. 2 -> Vol. 3 -> Dynasty -> Blueprint

Also Billy Pilgrim OTM, TRG not so much.

I know people who would argue for Nas.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

Paid in Full -> Don't Sweat the Technique

disco violence (disco violence), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Blueprint 2 > Vol 2! also, Vol 1 > everything!

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

instinctive rhythms of blah blah blah
low end theory
midnight marauders
beats, rhymes, and life

Sym Sym (sym), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Of the Heart, of the Soul and of the Cross: The Utopian Experience
The Bliss Album...?
Jesus Wept
Vibrations of Love & Anger & the Ponderance of Life & Existence

amon (eman), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

outkast & jay-z are much better, but a good starting four here:

licensed to ill
paul's boutique
check your head
ill communications

Gregory T (tubesocks), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

Sym Sym OTFM.

mclaugh (mclaugh), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

Panther > Beats Rhymes And Life

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

My first thought was Tribe, then I remembered how uneven and even dull a lot of the first album is (the one with the long-ass title I can't remember right now); and don't get me started on Burps, Duds, and Death.

I woulda said De La Soul (3 Feet High thru Buhloone Mindstate is a run of remarkable consistency and power, but Stakes is High is not in that league.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

Straight Outta Compton - Efil4zaggin - The Chronic - Doggystyle...

(if you count production credits as valid...)

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

Operation Doomsday
King Gheedorah
Viktor Vaughn
Madvillain

but nothing can beat the Wu-Tang golden streak

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

wrong:

Schoolly D
Saturday Night
Smoke Some Kill
Am I Black Enough For You

xhuxk, Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

straight outta compton
ameriKKKa's most wanted
death certificate
the predator

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

Jay-Z or Missy. Wu-Tang's an weird case cuz technically those are "solo" record although Enter to Iron Flag is an pretty impressive run for the "group" records.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I actually prefer Billy's and Al's choices to my own (for the reasons Alfred mentions) but Tribe's is still one of the good ones. Most of my favorites died after an album or two. Maybe T.I. or Dizzee are in the middle of theirs.

Sym Sym (sym), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

If we are counting Wu-Tang solo records then the Bootcamp Clik stuff Black Moon > Smif-n-Wessun > Heltah Skeltah > OGC (with Digging in the Vaults substituting for the last if you want to be picky) kills most everything else.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

Outkast takes it from ATLiens on and arguably starting with Southern...
Tribe and Ice Cube(Eisbar's picks obv) are a wash at 2nd place imo and Wu...even if I'm counting solo joints, Tical cripples the whole dealie sry.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Dynasty isn't very good.

Gavin, Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

Can I Borrow a Dollar, Resurrection, One Day It'll All Make Sense, Like Water For Chocolate is better than Tribe's run because LWFC>BRL (both a dragging down the average, though)

hmmm...

How about I Wish My Brother George Was Here, No Need for Alarm, Future Development, Deltron 2020? That's pretty solid, except that FD never got official release until years later. And if you can count crews like Wu-Tang together,Hiero gets you I Wish My Brother George Was Here, 93 to Infinity, Fear Itself and No Need for Alarm, which is looking unfuckwitable.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

Run-DMC>King of Rock>Raising Hell>Tougher than Leather.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I posted the first 5 Wu Tang joints in the other 4-run thread, too! Serendipity? While they're solo releases, you can't deny that RZA's influence is like a big film director's thumbprint all over these things. Tical, while not overwhelming, is a pretty consistenly fucked up listen, and it's certainly a lot better than Tical 2000.

Schoolly D
Saturday Night
Smoke Some Kill
Am I Black Enough For You

I can't disagree with this one. Who woulda thunk it?

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

Looking at my Gucci, it's about that time to start a Schoolly D Reissue Petition thread?

I wish Schoolly wouldn't whore himself out to that piece of shit show with the talking meat character.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Hey man, Schoolly's gotta eat.

The biggest problem with Schoolly D reissues is that Smoke Some Kill would have to omit Signifyin' Rapper because of the whole Led Zep / Abel Ferrara brouhaha. It's like cutting ears off the Mona Lisa, I say.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

I second the motion for a *pure* Schoolly D re-issue series!

And I'm sticking with my Wu picks above, primarily because the RZA's production makes them fair game, but De La Soul, Tribe, and Jay Z are STRONG contenders.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)

Intoxicated Demons -> Street Level -> Stone Crazy -> Musical Massacre

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

I thought about those beatnuts albums but reckon street level is pretty weak, so nah.

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 27 October 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

wu totally counts because of all the overlap with the rappers in addition to the already-mentioned RZA production.

also, i don't get what's so great about ATLiens? it really underwhelmed me. am i missing something?

regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 27 October 2005 06:32 (twenty years ago)

I'd say the first four PE albums qualify, even though the first one sounds a bit dated these days and the fourth one is slightly patchy. but only slightly - there's some tremendous stuff on apocalypse '91.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 October 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Apocalypse '91 is easily PE's most underrated album. PE loses out on account of "Yo, Bumrush the show". Tribe, The Beastie Boys, De La Soul, Ice Cube, Eric B. and Rakim, BDP, Jay-Z and several others all have 2 or 3, but I can't think of anyone who's laid down 4 classic albums in a row.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

Explain dislike of Yo Bum Rush The Show plz.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

Ironman
Supreme Clientele
Bulletproof wallets
Pretty Tony

You fucking idiots!

Dr J Bowman, Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

my vote for wu too.

criminal minded>by all mean necessary>ghetto music>edutainment deserves consideration.

also, yo bum rush the show is utterly classic.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking about the BDP run, but it runs into trouble in slot 4, too. Same thing happens with EPMD.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

also, the piece of shit show with the talking meat character is utterly classic and the 4th quest album is poopy.

and edutainment is really quite good.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik to Stankonia

I'm sayin'. Nobody is fucking with those four albums.

Eh, "street level" is great, it's "musical massacre" which is cack other than the two singles, 2 songs and the interludes.

I suppose Wu-Tang + the solo albums just about count. How about Dr. Dre..? From the D.O.C album to "efil4zaggin"(+"100 miles and runnin'" ep) to "the chronic" to "doggystyle"..and that's not even mentioning "str8 outta compton" and "eazy-duz-it", although neither are quite in the same league as the above four.

I sorta agree with Eric B. & Rakim too even though the first 3 are patchy with 6-8 unfuckwithable high points each. "Don't sweat the technique", though, rules. Maybe Ice Cube too

As far as greatest-four-record-run-in-rap-12"s-history goes, then Spoonie Gee owns this thread and it's end of story, son. You can take "spoonin' rap" up to "spoonie is back" or "street girl" up to "you's not just a fool" and it doesn't matter. The man dropped marvellous 12"s throughout each specific era from '79 -'88/'89.

Ellis, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Gang Starr from "step in the arena" up to "moment of truth"..?

Ellis, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

And 8ball & MJG from "comin' out hard" up to "in our lifetime"

Ellis, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

No love for Run-DMC? Is that just because they made the same album four times? Y'all are revisionists...

js (honestengine), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Nah, it's because "tougher than leather" sucks apart from "beats to the rhyme" and "king of rock" only has 2 or 3 good tracks.

Ellis, Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Which 2 or 3? Always sounded pretty solid to me.
I never connected with *Tougher Than Leather* though.

(Actually, isn't the party line that the second album sucks and the fourth one is one of their best? That never made any sense to me.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

I wish I owned every album everybody's mentioned (except maybe the Beasties, even though I actually do own all four of those).

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

We would like to posit that the first 4 Ice-T albums are classic.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

i believe it's Outkast, but i offer the following in competition:

Do You Want More?!
Illadelph Halflife
Things Fall Apart
Phrenology


natlawdp, Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

I suppose Wu-Tang + the solo albums just about count. How about Dr. Dre..? From the D.O.C album to "efil4zaggin"(+"100 miles and runnin'" ep) to "the chronic" to "doggystyle"..and that's not even mentioning "str8 outta compton" and "eazy-duz-it", although neither are quite in the same league as the above four.

I sorta agree with Eric B. & Rakim too even though the first 3 are patchy with 6-8 unfuckwithable high points each. "Don't sweat the technique", though, rules. Maybe Ice Cube too

This about sums up my thoughts, equivocation and all. I think if it was best six-record run everyone would agree it was J-Zed

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

dmx: debut through to the great depression.

i will also say aye to missy, debut to under construction, but i feel the last one may be a weak link.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Gang Starr + 8ball & MJG seconded.
Ellis I think the 4th beatnuts album is their best!

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 27 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

I second/third/whatever Eric B and Rakim, Beastie Boys, Tribe, Public Enemy, and I guess Biggie when Duets comes out, if it doesn't totally blow

DJMonsterMo, Thursday, 27 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

"Explain dislike of Yo Bum Rush The Show plz."

It's not that I dislike the album. In spite of not aging particularly well, it's a solid debut from one of my favourite groups ever. There are some really great moments on this album, but it takes more than just a few great moments to make a truly classic record. In '87 the PE sound still hadn't fully coalesced, and Flav is a bit over the top in places. To be honeset, I'd probably rate this album higher if not for what came next.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 27 October 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

From the D.O.C album to "efil4zaggin"(+"100 miles and runnin'" ep) to "the chronic" to "doggystyle"..

doesn't the Michel'le album come in and fuck things up after D.O.C? I've never heard it, just guessing.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 27 October 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

My first thought was Tribe, then I remembered how uneven and even dull a lot of the first album is (the one with the long-ass title I can't remember right now)

i've been listening to 'peoples instinctive travels in rhythm' so much recently; i think its my favourite...

foxy boxer (stevie), Friday, 28 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

straight outta compton
ameriKKKa's most wanted
death certificate
the predator
-- Eisbär (llamasfu...), October 27th, 2005. (llamasfur)

That's ALMOST right...except the run is actually:

Straight Outta Compton
Kill At Will (yeah EP but way classic)
Amerikkka's Most Wanted
Death Certificate

That's the actual run, plus Kill at Will >>>> Predator...

Schooly D is good too, but man Chuck you really like Am I Black Enough For You? that much?...that was when I got off the Schooly bandwagon....

Also...Jay-Z and Public Enemy are good ones!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh crap! How did we miss this...so if Ice Cube counts for NWA & solo stuff, then how about:

Scarface:

Geto Boys [or Grip it on that Other Level,same thing basically]
We Can't Be Stopped
Mr. Scarface Is Back
Till Death Do Us Part

Also:

Born to Mack
Life Is..To Short
Short Dog's in the House
Shorty the Pimp*

*IF This is any good, can't remember...but the first three are all great.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Gotta be Ice Cube, surely?

baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

x-post
The general writing about Run-DMC says that their 2nd album (KoR) is shoddy and the fourth (TTL) is where they fell off.

King Of Rock was Rush-released (haha), and there was a problem with the master tapes where the vocals got seperated from the drums or something. They had to piece it back together by hand, so the whole album to this day sounds a little "off" and gets slagged a little.

Tougher Than Leather was dogged for a long time as the moment they jumped the shark, but I think people are coming around to it. There's only like three or four stinkers on it.

I couldn't BELIEVE Pitchfork's review of the Run-DMC reissues. Slagging the fucking blueprint drafters for sounding "dated." Against who? The complicated flow of Young Jeezy? Like Fork would say the same thing about the Ramones or the Stooges? Criminy. The reissues are immaculate and sound as timeless and indispenible as ever.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah for fucking real.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

I mean I'm hardly one of those "everything they released was classic, Raising Hell is perfect!" people, but that was just outta control. Their first album gets an 8.1 and everything else gets even worse?!

...unless you're a historian or a rich person, save your money.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

in a weird way I feel bad for Pitchfork writers who have names and individual identities but 90% of the time when reviews are discussed, they're conflated with PF as an entity.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Well I don't have anything against Breihan but I think telling Pfork audiences that the first four Run DMC albums aren't worth their time is pretty lame.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I thought the DMC reissues thing was okay, but I think they do hold up way better than that writer does...plus....RAP ALBUMS IN BEING SORTA INCONSISTENT SHOCKAH...which obv. now has been totally rectified by current day hip hoppers! jeez, those DMC albums are very solid in comparison to most of the 19 track behemouths nowadays.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, those records changed the word.

I like this line
[I]Lyrically, it's nothing special[/I]

Yeah, no one's ever built a chorus out of even the most tossed off line in a Run-DMC song.


Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Since we're talking about an individual writer's perspective

Rating Cam'ron, Beanie Sigel, Three 6 Mafia and The Game higher than RAISING HELL is like ranking the Epitaph roster over the first Ramones album.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

>In '87 the PE sound still hadn't fully coalesced, and Flav is a bit over the top in places.

Agree that the sound is a little too minimalist/droney, but Y!BRTS has my all-time favorite Flav rhyme:

"I got to the beach, the ground was all sandy/Girls on my jock like ants on candy."

And I'm surprised to see Chuck naming Schoolly D like that - I thought that would be left up to me. Am I Black Enough For You? is a great album - even the follow-up, How A Blackman Feels, has three or four very solid tracks on it. He kinda lost it on Welcome To America, though. Still wish I'd gone to see him, with his band, at (long-defunct Newark, NJ punk/hardcore club) the Pipeline in 1988...

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Kill At Will came out after Amerikka's, it's packed with remixes of album tracks

I realised on the weekend that you can slot Eazy-Duz-It into both Cube and Dre's runs of classics too

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 31 October 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

bumping my own thread 5 years later because this is now so obviously

The College Dropout
Late Registration
Graduation
808s & Heartbreak

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:10 (fifteen years ago)

i think i would still take first four outkast albums and MAYBE first four missy

J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:16 (fifteen years ago)

kanye makes better albums than jay if you're being really meticulous and pedantic about it

J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:18 (fifteen years ago)

Jay makes great albums but never made four great albums in a row

i mean, i still stand by Kanye and my original LL post; but gonna give some extra props to Scarface, e-40 and Too $hort now that I'm a little more familiar with their catalogs than I was in '05

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:20 (fifteen years ago)

UGK prob would've been a top 3 or 4 pick in this if there wasn't the five year gap after 'ridin dirty'

J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:22 (fifteen years ago)

that's still a good run!

even ilx isn't immune to ugk revisionism, hahaha

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:23 (fifteen years ago)

well it is, but there's still a real significant drop off to 'dirty money' for the purposes of this thread

J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:24 (fifteen years ago)

Kill My Landlord
Genocide & Juice
Steal This Album
Party Music

Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), Saturday, 23 October 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)


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