50 Cent feuds with Kanye, further proves to be absolute dipshit

</tongue in hypocritical cheek>

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Yeah i call b.s.

It's no easy feat making Kanye West seem humble, but somehow 50 Cent has managed it.

"The New Orleans disaster was meant to happen....

Oh dear.

I suddenly think of Chuck Klosterman. Don't ask me why. I think I'm going kookoo but I think one of his articles focused on that Lakers vs Celtics divide? Never mind, you didn't heat me, move along. Bye!

I just learnt that on the History Channel. Most of them are black. I wonder what they think about this feud? They probably don't care.

an ill-fated attempt to stir up controversy? pretty much says it all right there.

"What Kanye West was saying, I don't know where that came from."

Watch out, Kanye! You said something and then 50 Cent was all like "yeah, I don't really know about that!"

But wait, this is a long-running feud: apparently 50 also has a theory about how other people's success all relates to him and how important he is! That's even more threatening than when Chubby Checker was going around saying he invented dancing! Or when Vince Neil or whoever said grunge was responsible for killing hair-metal, and then he went out and shot Kurt Cobain over it! Beef beef beef!

Christ: is the AP doing publicity for 50's movie, and just leaning on some really shitty "RAPPUHS FIGHT MAYBE KANYE SHOOT 50" bullshit?

"if i give dem some bling, i don't got enough for my 10th hummer"

wtf lol welcome to one month ago but yr still wrong!

my quoting jay-z is more a reflection of my belief that jigga still outshines fifty.

CURTIS '50 CENT' JACKSON, ACTOR/ RAPPER PORTRAYS
'MARCUS' IN FILM, SAYING: "There is a lot of pressure on (U.S. President George W.) Bush as president of our country. A lot of things going on, this doesn't happen so often all the things that have happened under his presidency. (Reporter: You were both born on the same day?) Yes we were, and we are both gangsters. "

"There's no point in throwing out facts that I can prove." - Kanye West, in reference to his belief that the Government created Aids to kill black people in Africa.

I guess there is no point in throwing out facts if you don't want to be taken seriously, and are just pandering to naive emotionalists who disregard reasoning and favor rhetoric.

The lack of reasoning behind everything he said is what was illogical about it. Logic IS reasoning. Not only were his conclusions not backed up with any premises at all, but his conclusions were false. Sure, there were two different captions that said one thing about a black family and one thing about a white family, but to say that it was orchestrated that way or even a subconcious slip of rascism would be false. They were from two different sources. That's called a coincedence, and is the simplest and most probable explanation for the occurence. If a rational person can't find the remote, he would probably assume that it's underneath a sofa cushion or the like. An irrational person disfavors simple explanations for things, and usually seeks to find a complex and grand conspiracy behinds things that can usually simply be explained. Kanye is an irrational person (or at least he was for the few minutes he was on the telethon).

"We already realized a lot of the people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way, and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us."

This statement doesn't hold up as well. There were some National Guard serving in Iraq, but there is no report AT ALL of those in the U.S. shooting those they were sent to assist. The National Guard were there to do good and try to protect people. But, once again, Kanye favors over exegerration. Pure rhetoric.

As far as the whole George Bush doesn't care about black people, I don't even think I have to waste my time commenting on that. It's no different than saying "Liberals hates America". It's an appeal to emotion that satisfies people with predetermined beliefs. It's just giving certain dumbass people what they want to hear. It, in no way, is meant to make a serious case for anything. It's just a stupid soundbite.

I like his music alright, but he keeps proving time and time again that he's not the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

That's called a coincedence, and is the simplest and most probable explanation for the occurence.

Is it a 'coincidence' that so many people assumed that race was a reason those captions were different? Is it possible that, you know, maybe there is a back story to people being sensitive to that sort of thing in this country? Did you honestly not see imbalance in the coverage of people in New Orleans?

I can't believe we're still having this conversation but I don't see what was illogical or irrational about what Kanye said. He's speaking what a lot of people, including myself, believe, and it doesn't have shit to do with him disregarding 'the truth' as you see it.

The National Guard were there to do good and try to protect people. But, once again, Kanye favors over exegerration. Pure rhetoric.

I assume you mean NO not Iraq, but how do you know what happened there? How do you know that they were just 'protecting' people and how do you know who they protected? From what I understand the governor explicitly said that people looting would be stopped by the national guard - although the REASONS for the looting were not clarified, i.e. we're starving and need food.

You're looking for Noam Chomsky?

1. The poor were the most affected by the hurricane due to lack of funds, transportation, communication, etc
2. The majority of poor people inside New Orleans were/are black.
3. There was a public perception of a lack of concern from the administration for the people stuck in New Orleans.

Seems reasonably logical to me. It'd be more logical to say "poor people," but that'd raise fewer eyebrows because very few people really care about poor people because there's the public perception that there will always be poor people and that having someone poorer than yourself helps justify your station in life. I mean, 50 Cent is obviously a better musician because he moves more units, and a better person than those in New Orleans because he improved his position in life at any cost.

Kanye was NOT the only person expressing the opinion he expressed. After Katrina, a whole barrage of dumbasses, and more than a few intelligent people (unlike Kanye) were expressing all kinds of opinions. The blame game was going on in full effect and everybody had their two cents. A lot of people choose to use facts and reasoning to express their opinions. My point is that Kanye choose to not be rational and instead just say things like a black family is looting and a white family is searching for a food, which fed already angry people with a reason to be even more irrationaly angry, when in fact the MOST PROBABLE reason for the captions is a coincedence seeing as how they came from TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES.

My point is that lots of people were expressing intelligent opinions about Katrina, and Kanye wasn't. The two captions wasn't the media portraying race in a certain way, it was a coincidence. The national guards weren't sent to NO to shoot black people. There is no proof that George Bush doesn't care about black people. Arguments about a lack of Government failure were articulated much greater by other people. Don't listen to some idiot singer who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Oh, and I can't stand Noam Chomsky. But, that's a whole different argument.

George Bush doesn't care about black people.

Seem OTM to me....

I would strongly suggest looking up the definition of "rhetoric".

the comments section for the site that originally published the 50 cent story are great.

http://contactmusic.com/new/comments.nsf/viewcomments?open&restrictcategoryto=news__50%20CENT%20SLAMS%20KANYES%20BUSH%20IS%20RACIST%20COMMENT

the republicans who now feel compelled to go out and buy 50 cent cds are in for a big surprise.

These would be sweet rap group names.

Dan Perry OTM...Kanye basically, just what? said a simple sentence...it's not rhetoric. It's a sentence stating an opinion.

Next time I will take the time to write my own argument from scratch, knowing that I have articulate reponses like, "rote dipshit race bull" ready to make me rethink the worthiness of the argument and possibly modify it. What an incentive you have created and an out of place question mark to top it off?

(a) poor black people are only poor because they're lazy-ass unwed-mother welfare-dependent niggers, just like you kinda-think but don't want to sound racist by saying out loud,

You caught me red-handed! Though we'll meet again, killer of my brother Klansmen! *shakes fist*

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(b) but don't worry, the good ones who get married aren't poor, so it all works out

Usually nowhere near as poor as the ones who have children out of wedlock, no. That's kind of what the article pointed out.

(c) don't worry, you don't have to feel guilty or think of ways to help make this situation better, cause it turns out government makes it worse, and the most helpful thing you can possibly do is to be an asshole about the whole thing.

Although I don't think "guilt" should be the motivation for helping black people in general, I think help is good. Government usually sucks at it though.

In what way is a question-ending question mark -- to wit: " . . . if you're going to blast ILX with rote dipshit race bull could you at least have the decency to write it yourself, instead of pulling someone else's dipshittery off the web? -- "out of place?"

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), November 4th, 2005. (later)

Most OTM comment of this thread.

More specifically:

(a) As noted, "could you at least..." is a question.
(b) If you want us to read someone else's article, post a link; don't just copy and paste as if you're talking.
(c) Stop leaping to touchy "he called me a racist" distinctions. I didn't say a word about you (you didn't write the article), and I didn't even say anything about the authors of the article -- I said that the article itself winds up telling Americans what many of them would like to hear.

Thanks for a great demonstration of the how "the racist card" works, though -- such a handy way to write off people who disagree with you as shrieky hysterical racist-callers, and effectively distract all attention from the points they were making!

As to those actual points, I'll repeat: yes, the article claims a correlation between black families and higher economic success. Anyone with any understanding of statistics would know that there's a difference between "correlation" and "causation" -- something the authors here manipulatively skip over. (One reason to link stuff instead of just pasting it: so we'd know who those authors were, and where their statistics come from.) The article pretends what lots of people would like to believe -- that there are "good black people," who are doing fine, and "bad black people," who are doing poorly because of their own behavior. But nothing at all about that correlation actually suggests that. Think about this for even one second, and it displays itself as absolutely comical: the article draws this totally-fucked conclusion that if black people were just polite and had families, they'd have higher incomes. Wouldn't you think it'd occur to them that the correlation might also go the other way -- that people living in environments of poverty often see their family structures destroyed? Isn't this the same thing that happens with poor white people? Don't these two things relate to one another in kind of a complex cycle, a cycle that has a long history and a really complex nature, a cycle way more complex than "all they have to do is get married and have jobs, and then it'll be fine?"

This has been a tactic in the U.S. for ages. First, someone pretends (as James would likely do) that there are only two possible causes of black poverty -- either it's white people's fault for being racist and oppressive, or it's black people's fault for having a "culture of dependency" or a "culture of poverty." (Exactly the cliche that article is trying so hard to uphold.) This is essentially bizarro: is it maybe-just-maybe more complex than that? Is it possible that there are bad things in black culture that are born out of situations that were born out of racism -- a whole complex mish-mash of responsibility on all sides that in the end amounts to, you know, our culture and our situation as a country?

So yes, that's what I said: this article takes a flat-out ridiculous misleading statistical "conclusion" and then uses it to tell Americans exactly what will make them feel better -- that some black people do poorly because they "choose" to do poorly, that the "good black people" do fine, and therefore people's success is all in their own hands and we don't need to worry about it anymore. This is such over-simplistic idiocy that it makes me almost ill.

OTM...I'm one lucky motherfucker, for real.

I didn't say a word about you (you didn't write the article), and I didn't even say anything about the authors of the article -- I said that the article itself winds up telling Americans what many of them would like to hear.

But...

"(a) poor black people are only poor because they're lazy-ass unwed-mother welfare-dependent niggers, just like you kinda-think but don't want to sound racist by saying out loud,"

Who is "you" aimed at? If by "you" you meant "some Americans" I hope you see how it sounds incredibly ambiguous and aimed at a singular person (who is never identified).

(One reason to link stuff instead of just pasting it: so we'd know who those authors were, and where their statistics come from.)

I said the author at the end of it was Willaims and he lists the study in the article.

tell Americans exactly what many of them would like to hear: that (a) poor black people are only poor because they're lazy-ass unwed-mother welfare-dependent niggers, just like you kinda-think but don't want to sound racist by saying out loud

I'm taking it as pretty clear that the "you" refers to the "many Americans" being told what they want to hear. Sort of like in the following sentence: "I told him what he wanted to hear: 'You're good at your job.'"

This argument did kind of veer off into weird terrain, and I'll admit that I didn't do a good job of keeping it leveled at exactly where I stood. I shouldn't have even brought the whole idea of racial integration and "race as a concept" because it can be easily twisted, and it kinda brought the wrath of smart asses with nothing of value to add to the debate.

I'm getting certain people saying that Kanye's gist was that George Bush doesn't care about black people because of the response to Katrina, and other people saying that's it just a general statement that he, well, doesn't care about black people and it doesn't necessarily have to do with Katrina at all. So, based on that, I don't see how Bush showed a lack of caring about black people based on Katrina. I've brought up faults with the response to Katrina such as Blanco's refusal of Red Cross Aid and Nagin's delayed response to evacuation. Initial decisions made by local and state Government (who, in disaster situations, as I said earlier, are the ones who are supposed to deal with the short term, with FEMA acting as long term calvary) officials were key to this whole fiasco, and they have nothing to do with George Bush at all, or his lack of caring for black people. The fact that FEMA is a medicore group of people and run by dipshits has nothing to do with George Bush's lack of caring for black people.

I think Kanye generally believed that this situation was racially motivated and indicative of the powers that be lack of caring for black people (though he didn't bring up FEMA, or Nagin or Blanco; only Bush). I think, in this instance, he was wrong. Not only wrong, but his message was irrationally conveyed. Though I think a lot of you have made some good points, I don't see anywhere where you have led me to believe otherwise.

This is my last word on the whole shabang.

i respect 50 cent as a theologian

Theologians, they don't know nothin'

fifty cent is the greatest social critic of the 21st century

Kanye is not stupid, neither is he dumb.

Producers: Please stop using that snare from the JV-1080 Hip Hop expansion board.

From AP:

50 Cent Rescinds Diss of Kanye West

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK — Stepping back from statements he made in 2005, 50 Cent recently apologized for a simmering racial feud he started with fellow rapper Kanye West.

"I now realize that I am not responsible for Kanye West's success." 50 told his mother. "That would be Outkast."

Explaining his recent change of heart, 50 Cent revealed that he needs time to focus on more pressing feuds. "Tupac and Biggie fans were looking for someone who hadn't died, and I was the first thing that came along. I feel that Biggie and Tupac only had success because of me."

D+++++

I thought this was gonna be bumped cuz of the whole "50 Cent Bets Career, 'If Kanye Sells More Records... I Won't Put Out Any More Solo Albums'" thing

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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5js70Pg-YwaXHm1MNMbAsMo1B8UPg

Kanye Leads 50 Cent in CD Sales Battle
By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY – 27 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — 50 Cent may be getting hip-hop's equivalent of a gold watch next week.

Early reports have Kanye West beating 50 in their much-hyped battle of album sales: West's "Graduation" is on pace to sell about 575,000 to 700,000 its first week out, while 50 Cent's "Curtis" is on track to do 550,000, according to Billboard magazine. As of day one, Kanye had sold 437,000 copies to 50's 310,000, according to Nielsen Soundscan.

diamond-encrusted gold watch?

lol at both being outsold by KT fucking Tunstall in the UK

I had no idea 50 Cent said that Hurricane Katrina was an act of God until this thread was brought back up! Dimmer than dim!

is 50 really going to stop making solo records now?

I'm sorry. I meant to say the New Orleans disaster, not Hurricane Katrina. Yes, Katrina caused it, but many factors outside "God" could have made it less of a disaster.

Blueski, if I can castrate 50 Cent and get away with it, he probably will.

I think he took back the whole "I'll retire if Kanye outsells me" thing shortly after he said it, but media outlets keep bringing it up. He's been pretty upfront in the past year or two about the fact that he's only contracted to do 2 more albums, and he's going to do one more new LP in 2008 and then a greatest hits record. So I don't think he'll stop after Curtis but will stop not long after that.

I'm pretty sure that he'll outsell Kanye worldwide as well, if not in the UK and US.

please to make bar graph demonstrating the European market's reaction or lack thereof to Kanye's Euro-pandering when solid sales figures start rolling in.

Will do boss.

'Dear Europe, give a black man a chance, love Kanye'

Perhaps Kanye should be the next celeb to do those Asda adverts? Shove him in the cheese counter, have him banter with the shoppers.