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Beach Boys singer Mike Love sues Brian Wilson, but it’s nothing personal
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Mike Love is suing his cousin and former Beach Boys bandmate Brian Wilson, but Love’s lawyer hopes the lawsuit won’t mar their good vibrations.
Love filed the lawsuit in U.S. federal court Thursday accusing Wilson of promoting his 2004 album, Smile, in a manner that “shamelessly misappropriated Mike Love’s songs, likeness and the Beach Boys trademark, as well as the Smile album itself.”
Love’s lawyer says it’s nothing personal.
“Mike has a lot of affection for Brian and they have a good relationship and cordial relations,” said Phil Stillman, who has represented Love since 1992. “There’s obviously some problem with the way Brian’s (associates) have promoted the albums.”
Stillman added: “They remain family and the co-founders of a very important band in rock ’n’ roll history.”
The Beach Boys never completed Smile, and it was regarded as a lost classic until Wilson opted to finish it himself. The album earned international acclaim and marked a dramatic return for the 63-year-old singer-songwriter, who had kept a low profile for years.
Love objected to a promotion in which 2.6 million copies of a Beach Boys compilation CD were given away to readers of Britain’s the Daily Mail on Sunday newspaper. The lawsuit said the giveaway undercut the band’s sales.
The lawsuit seeks damages, including “millions of dollars in illicit profits,” and seeks at least $1 million for international advertising “to correct the effects of ... unfair competition and infringing uses.”
Love formed the group in Hawthorne, Calif., in 1961 with Wilson, Wilson’s brothers Carl and Dennis, and Wilson’s friend Al Jardine. They went on to record hits such as Good Vibrations, Wouldn’t It Be Nice and California Girls.
Love has the exclusive legal right to tour under the Beach Boys name.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't that compilation from Brian's solo works? Yeah, some Beach boys songs, but from Brian's solo 'live' albums.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Like the rest of ILM, I'm behind Mike all the way on this one, as I always am

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Of course you are.

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Defend the Indefensible: Mike Love

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

How did I miss out on that thread, that is SO my thread!

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

You didn't know about that thread? I would have sworn that you had posted on it, but maybe it was just a mirage. Oh wait, I know, filling in for Dadaismus was Marcello.

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

We often sing from the same hymn sheet - hymns of Love

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

why mike why

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Mike Love's money is the root of all eveil

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Does Love have any real case here? Sounds kind of flimsy to me.

darin (darin), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

THERE IS HOPE FOR FEUDING SIXTIES WHATEVERS:

Yoko Ono apologizes for ‘June with spoon’ comment aimed at McCartney
NEW YORK (AP) — Yoko Ono has apologized to Paul McCartney for insinuating that his songs are trite.
Accepting an award on behalf of John Lennon last month, Ono said Lennon had sometimes felt insecure about his songs, asking “why they always cover Paul’s songs and never mine.”
“I said, ‘You’re a good songwriter, it’s not June with spoon that you write.”’
After reports of the apparent slight circulated, Ono apologized in the latest issue of Rolling Stone magazine, now on newsstands.
“I certainly did not mean to hurt Paul, and if I did, I am very sorry,” she says.
McCartney has sometimes clashed with Ono, Lennon’s widow.
She objected when McCartney reversed the traditional “Lennon-McCartney” songwriting credit on his 2002 album, Back in the U.S. Ono’s spokesman accused him of attempting to “rewrite history.”
McCartney had earlier complained that Ono wouldn’t let him take credit for Yesterday, a song written entirely by McCartney.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Unlike Mike, Yoko is "ILM-friendly" tho

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Love has rights to the Beach Boys name, so if Brian is distributing Beach Boys CDs, then yeah, Love has a case I would think.

Brakhage (brakhage), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

But who owns the songs?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Neither Brian or Mike I would have thought

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

http://www.brianwilson.com/media/words/larry_king.html

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

KING: How did you deal with having a lot of money?


B. WILSON: I was very, very financially secure my whole life. I have been very lucky to say that.


KING: So even through the depression everything, you took care of yourself?


B. WILSON: Yes, I always had that money in the bank. yes.


KING: How do you explain that, Melinda? Normally you would think when someone goes on the downward spiral everything goes down.


M. WILSON: He had people -- well, actually, to be honest with you, after the Landy years it wasn't great. Because Brian wrote the songs he continues -- he gets paid for the songs, and the amazing part about the Beach Boys catalogue is that it doesn't take a dive. Probably the Beatles, Beach Boys, maybe the Rolling Stones that each year a new generation finds the music and it increases.


B. WILSON: Our catalogues keep moving. The Beach Boy catalogue moves. We get a substantial amount of money from Rondor Music, A&M Records owns. They bought the catalog from my dad.


M. WILSON: Well, actually, your father sold it to them.


B. WILSON: My father sold the catalog to A&M.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Yes and in doing so, sold Mike Love's contributions to those songs, something which people seem to conveniently forget

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Larry King is such a dick:
B. WILSON: I can still hear things like, "I'm going to kill you," but I don't hear very many other kind of thoughts. Just usually negative thoughts or negative...


KING: Ever hear them while you're singing?


B. WILSON: No, not when I'm singing, no.


KING: When you're writing?


B. WILSON: No, not then, either.


KING: When, then, would you hear them?


B. WILSON: When I'm not singing or writing.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

KING: When your father got home from the vacation and he learned that the $250 was spent on things other than he left it for, was he mad?

B. WILSON: No, because we played him what we wrote and he started smiling. He goes: "That's great. That's a great song." I thought he was going to go: "Get in the bathroom you're going to get beat with a belt.," you know, like he usually does.

(LAUGHTER)

yeppp!, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

didn't ( dad wilson )murray sell "sea of tunes " publishing then brian won them back.

retrogurl, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
Beach Boys bury the hatchet
Surviving members make first appearance in 10 years

Wednesday, June 14, 2006; Posted: 8:18 a.m. EDT (12:18 GMT)

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The surviving founders of the Beach Boys -- Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine -- made their first public appearance together in 10 years Tuesday, standing atop the historic Capitol Records building in Hollywood.

The trio gathered to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the landmark "Pet Sounds" album and the recent double-platinum certification of 2003's "Sounds of Summer: The Very Best of the Beach Boys." The trio was joined by veteran band member Bruce Johnston and former Beach Boy David Marks.

"It's always good to do this while we're living," Jardine quipped to reporters before the event, in which band members were presented with framed plaques each containing two platinum vinyl records.

Plaques also were issued posthumously to Wilson's brothers, Carl and Dennis -- both original Beach Boys members.

The reunion of the Beach Boys came after decades of animosity between Love and Wilson, who are cousins.

Love sued Wilson in November, saying Wilson "shamelessly misappropriated (Love's) songs, likeness and the Beach Boys trademark, as well as the 'Smile' album itself" when Wilson was promoting 2004's "Smile." Love previously sued his cousin in the mid-1990s, seeking more songwriting credit on the band's back catalog.

The two shared a friendly rapport Tuesday, standing side by side and patting each other on the back. In thanking his bandmates, Love lauded "my cousin Brian Wilson, for his incredible abilities that gave us all this amazing life."

When asked if all hatchets have been buried, Love pointed to his back.

"The hatchets are right here," he said with a laugh.

Loved added that between the band members "there's issues that arise, and you resolve them over time."

Of the reunion, he said: "We've been together, just in different configurations and different situations. But this is a great one because everybody's in a celebratory mood, everybody's on their good behavior and everybody's enjoying the fact that our records have been recognized even 40 years after we first put (them) out."

A second greatest-hits compilation, called "The Warmth of the Sun," is planned for release next spring, Love and Wilson said.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

yay, ANOTHER greatest hits comp. how many does that make?

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

"When asked if all hatchets have been buried, Love pointed to his back.

"The hatchets are right here," he said with a laugh."

Why is it Mike Love cannot stop being an asshole for even 5 seconds?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

He's still irradiated with Stamos-Rays.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Who's gonna hear this shit? The ears of a dog?

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41765000/jpg/_41765302_bb_wire_203.jpg

Brian G (Maltodextrin), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Mike everyone knows you're bald.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Brian Wilson joins the ranks of people who have been photographed with Mike Love's awful hats. And Al Jardine is starting to resemble Roger the alien from "American Dad."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Brain and Al remembered that REAL BEACH BOYS WEAR STRIPES.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

This sounds like a bad idea. Brian should keep on doing his thing, not involving Mike Love, who just wants to play braindead surf-rock.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

its just a comp, I doubt BW will ever make any music with Mike Love again. He's said as much.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

yes, there is no word of any new material. I doubt very much they could pull something like that off at this point.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

I can't remember the last piece of music Mike Love and Brian Wilson worked on together - its been at least 25 years, right...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Al is not a real Beach Boy.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

"I can't remember the last piece of music Mike Love and Brian Wilson worked on together - its been at least 25 years, right...?"

Yeah pretty much. Brian sings ghostly backing vox on "Getcha Back" from '85, and I think that part was recorded way before then.

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

oh come on Steve. why not? is David Marks the REAL Beach Boy?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

David Marks is a commie.

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

I would have thought Geir to be more of a Mike Love follower, given Love's frequently avowed preference for melodic songs with comprehensible lyrics!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 15 June 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

It is nice to see David Marks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 15 June 2006 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

"Yeah pretty much. Brian sings ghostly backing vox on "Getcha Back" from '85, and I think that part was recorded way before then."

Supposedly, Brian sings a backing vocal on the Spanish version of "Kokomo" which was 1988, I think? Brian definitely did not sing on the hit version, though. Then there is the commercial promo for Baywatch Nights which featured Brian along with the other Beach Boys, if that counts. Well, Brian's definitely on screen with Mike at the same time, anyway, and he seems to be singing. That was made in the 90's sometime.

James datapanik (voltstax), Thursday, 15 June 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

Note the body language in that picture above; Love leaning away from Jardine, Wilson's arm around Love but Love does not reciprocate.

Subliminal ML message: "I'm in charge."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 15 June 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

http://clatl.com/atlanta/in-the-beach-boys-mike-love-a-hero-or-villain/Content?oid=3930863

buzza, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

http://clatl.com/imager/b/magnum/3930864/f983/Music_feature1-1_19.jpg

buzza, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:56 (fourteen years ago)

"Don't Go Near the Water" was our environmental song. We would have called it "Don't Fuck Up the Water" if we were Canned Heat.

lol

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)

"You're still hitting those high harmonies after all these years?" ???

fit and working again, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

Canned Heat!
"We would have called it 'I Fuck Around' -- if we were Canned Heat!"

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

good thread concept

buzza, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)

haha, I was going to post that same canned heat quote.

the wheelie king (wk), Friday, 9 September 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

the "beach boys" are playing a free show in Denver (near where I live) on sunday. it's a 9/11 commemorative event. sounds painful in about ten different ways.

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

Seems have to have done a complete U-turn on SMiLE over the years, hasn't he?

Turrican, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)

really like the writer's name: CHAD RADFORD

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)

aw, mike seems cool

i gather from the interview he wrote a line on good vibrations

brownie, Friday, 9 September 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)

have you heard his #1 hit song, Kokomo, which his cousin Brian Wilson was not involved in

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)

But John Philips was - one of the few rock dudes even creepier than ML

Lee547 (Lee626), Friday, 9 September 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

Is Love really that creepy? He just seems really lame and square. Dennis was waaaay creepier (hooking up with Love's daughter, hanging out with the Manson family, etc)

the wheelie king (wk), Friday, 9 September 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)

I dunno - listened to some of Summer in Paradise a few weeks ago. Pretty creepy.

Lee547 (Lee626), Friday, 9 September 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)

two lane blacktop with mike love would have been something to see

buzza, Friday, 9 September 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)

The thing is Mike seems to think people think he's lame and square because he doesn't think drugs are cool. I don't think drugs are cool, either, but that has nothing to do with it

Lee547 (Lee626), Friday, 9 September 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)

Dennis was waaaay creepier (hooking up with Love's daughter, hanging out with the Manson family, etc)

by all accounts, Mike was just as much of a lech as Dennis, the two often "competed" in the womanizing sweepstakes

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

Hi Shakey,
The problem is that the people who write these things weren't around, and are operating on second- and third-hand accounts. The complete picture, like reality, is a composite. Every person's view — even in the group — is different. When outsiders start looking in and offer conjecture, things get abstract. Also, kiss my ass.
Your friend,
Mike Love
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/33257579/Mike+Love+Mike.jpg

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

^^^hitting some high harmonies there, I assume

you will always be wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqerjyWcSH1qjhphb.jpg

I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 September 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP73ZMGiXC8

thats a bass, motherfucker (hypehat), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:53 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Summer 2013 Tour

Brian Wilson will be touring with Al Jardine & David Marks for a series of shows that promise to be the musical highlight of the Summer. Following are scheduled dates – please check back often as new dates are added!

July 20, 2013
The Grand @ The Golden Nuggett
Atlantic City, NJ

July 21, 2013
Stage AE – Outdoor Stage
Pittsburgh, PA

July 23, 2013
Kresge Auditorum
Interlochen MI

July 25, 2013
Fraze Pavililion
Kettering OH

July 26, 2013
Ravinia Fesetival
Highland Park, IL

July 27, 2013
Weesner Family Ampithheatre
Apple Valley MN

October 20, 2013
Greek Theatre
Los Angeles CA

buzza, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 03:00 (twelve years ago)

the Beach Boys will be the opening act

Lee626, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 03:58 (twelve years ago)

three years pass...

This one's a doozy.

http://observer.com/2016/06/for-the-love-of-mike-love-its-time-to-destroy-the-legend-of-brian-wilson/

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 3 June 2016 16:41 (nine years ago)

I barely give a fuck who Mike Love has his picture taken with, or what political candidates he supports, or how he may stumble in public speeches; he is a gentle and kind man whose heart is in the right damn place, and he supports many worthwhile causes related to the environment, conservation, and spiritual enlightenment. Have any of you ever met Ric Ocasek or Todd Rundgren, or even, for that matter, the great Lou Reed? Have you ever talked to a waitress or stewardess who had to deal with Paul Simon?

I have met a pile of so-called pop stars, and in terms of being a decent man with a decent heart, Mike Love is pretty goddamn high on the “good guy” list. Most of you just hate him because he’s in a band called the Beach Boys without Brian Wilson. You think that the fact that he keeps the Beach Boys going is somehow denigrating of or defiant of the great achievements of that band, but it’s just the opposite; Mike Love has kept the Beach Boys, a vital American institution, alive and working in the face of great odds and even greater derision.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 3 June 2016 16:45 (nine years ago)

I barely give a fuck who Mike Love has his picture taken with

Weirdoes usually. We have the thread to prove it.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 3 June 2016 16:51 (nine years ago)

Somebody should probably break it to that dude gently that the Beach Boys probably wouldn't have become a vital American institution without Brian Wilson, and Mike Love is most likely selling tires in that alternate universe.

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 June 2016 16:57 (nine years ago)

But but but he's an 'extraordinary musician'! Now, I have often defended Mike on this board and probably on this very thread, but that is ridiculous.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 3 June 2016 16:58 (nine years ago)

I'd like to hear a 'good guy Mike" story.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 3 June 2016 18:07 (nine years ago)

I don't know why you need anecdotes about his beneficence when you can see it written all over his resting 'Oh, goddamnit...' face.

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:22 (nine years ago)


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