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Die, Hipster, Die

There's so much to hate about that most loathsome subspecies of Philadelphian. You're not one of them, are you?


"Hipster: twenty-something stroketard whose style of clothing conflicts with their demeanor, thus resulting in a spicy pseudointellectual with more flavor-of-the-month conversations than a Long Island prostitute."

-Urban Dictionary

God bless the crazy, malnourished, bespectacled, follically challenged, hipper-than-thou little fucks.

Seriously. All the Pitchfork-addicted, soy-latte-drinking, Vice-reading, "Oh my God, my haircut's so intense and I wish I were in Williamsburg instead of NoLibs ... shit! The New York Times thinks we're the sixth borough-ew! That's, like, so mainstream, I'm outta here"-thinking, Converse-wearing, Silk City-loving, kitsch-obsessed, anally retentive muppets.

If it weren't for these rodent-faced, asexual, John Deere-cap-sporting fashion victims, I wouldn't have a life. Really. In the two long years I've been living in this gorgeous city (and yes, I mean that-you'll find nary a hint of irony in this rant ... or will you?), I've come to realize the hipster kids are my collective nemesis (along with jam-band fans, folky singer/songwriters, Young Republicans and public transport employees). They're the multitudinous Moriarty to my Sherlock Holmes.

It's getting so I can't kick back with a nice warm PBR and a shot at Bob and Barbara's or rifle through the used vinyl section at AKA Music (damn that elusive white-label Liquid Liquid 12-inch-will it ever be mine?) without some weasely wank whining that, like, Franz Ferdinand are so last year, and sneering at my choice of footwear. (For your information, Mr. Fashion Nazi-Dr. Martens are a timeless British fashion classic.)

The withering condescension is bad enough, and God knows I'm guilty of it myself, but what really gets on my tits is the overriding musical and cultural fascism, and the belief that populism is somehow inherently evil.

Don't get me wrong-99.9 percent of mainstream music is vapid, unlistenable dross, but duh! Tell me something I don't know. And yes, the general public are, by and large, subhuman pond scum with no taste, and populism for populism's sake is obviously not a good thing.

But please. Just because a band is on an ultra-obscure indie label doesn't give it instant credibility and/or superior talent. There's a simple reason why a huge number of supposed indie acts (most of whom would secretly suck Satan's festering cock for a major-label deal) remain obscure: because they're mind-numbingly tedious and deadly, deadly dull.

And for the love of God, all you members of the hipsterati, please leave your half-arsed attempts at irony at home. I'm rapidly developing irony fatigue.

And besides, you're Americans. It doesn't suit you.

Personally, I love all of ABBA's greatest hits (including "Voulez Vouz"), but it's a genuine love, born of an affection for huge, irrepressible, shiny, life-affirming pop, with the kind of hooks that dullards such as Deerhoof/Black Dice/Kimya Dawson (tick as applicable) can only dream of.

Personally, I blame it all on the likes of Kerouac, Ginsberg and bad old Bill Burroughs, an unholy cabal who back in the '50s not only wrote some of the most overrated, indulgent crap ever laid down on a page, but worse, as self-appointed avatars of cool, helped spoiled white middle-class brats discover the dubious joys (albeit in an incredibly patronizing, borderline racist way) of bebop and, God forbid, free jazz.

Granted, Miles Davis knocked out a few good riffs in his time, and John Coltrane was pretty handy with a sax, but free jazz? Christ on a bike, what were they thinking? The more I think about this, the more I start to realize that, historically, hipsters have been responsible for some of the most heinous crimes against music known to man, including, in no particular order or chronological timeline, the following:

>> 98 percent of the late-'60s San Francisco scene.

>> No wave.

>> New romanticism.

>> The entire "twee" movement.

>> Riot grrl.

>> Shoegazing.

>> Sarah Records.

>> The Pastels.

>> "Intelligent" drum 'n' bass.

>> Acid jazz.

>> Emo.

>> Electroclash.

>> Morrissey.

>> The entire post-punk-funk revival (Franz Ferdinand excepted, of course).

>> The Rapture.

>> The Strokes.

>> The Bravery.

>> Psych-folk.

You see? You see? And what's more, absolutely none of the above has an ounce of what the great Mojo Nixon once referred to as "the Elvis factor"-that combination of sex, swagger and style that only true rock 'n' roll titans can possess. For example, Iggy Pop has an Elvis factor around 96 percent, whereas Moby has about, hmm ... zero. Primal Scream have a rating around 75 percent, while fellow Scots Belle and Sebastian actually score negative figures.

So you can keep your limited-edition lime-green late-'80s Sub Pop 7-inches, your mashup comps and your random dilettantism. Me? I'll be listening to Kylie, obsessing over my vintage vinyl collection (all originals, sweetie), knocking back a case of Schaefer (PBR is so two years ago) and sneering at you from the shadows. Because you know what? In a rare moment of blinding clarity, I've realized that I too am like you-but worse, much worse. I'm a self-loathing hipster.

Oh, the horror, the horror.

-Neil Ferguson

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

ugh, why spread the filth

Dare (Dare), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

I see Jonathan Valania's cloning experiment is off to a good start.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

the great Mojo Nixon

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

dare, the world needs to remember this shit is wrong. NEVER FORGET.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

ned, that reminds me. this is in the same issue:

http://philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=10913

When the Shit hits the Fans

What it feels like when the band you love hates you.

by Jonathan Valania


We all have bands we hate, really hate-you know, with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns. You hate REM, I still hate Journey. There's a lot of that going around. But how many people can say a band hates them? Tin-eared soundmen, people who jack the gear out of their van while they sleep, and the played jokesters who still yell "Freebird!"-and that's about it.

And when you narrow it down to people who are hated by their favorite bands, well, it's a very elite club, my friend. Membership is pretty much down to me and Mark David Chapman, homicidal Beatles superfan. Misery usually loves company but I have no sympathy for my cohort-he killed John Lennon. Screw him.

My crime? Well, I wrote this pretty candid piece about Wilco for Magnet back around the time of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Everything I wrote about-the band members forced to walk the plank, the messy divorce from Reprise and the handshake drugs that were bought downtown, as well as the fact that Wilco had became the Great American Band-eventually became a matter of public record, in the documentary I Am Trying To Break Your Heart and the frank interviews Jeff Tweedy gave in the wake of his rehab stint last year. I contend, your honor, that my only crime was writing an honest story about the band before they were accustomed to people doing so.

Be that as it may, Wilco hates me. I know-boo-hoo, right? Sure, journalism isn't Friendster. It's not my job to be buddies with the people I write about, but it kinda sucks when you happen to admire them.

Last year I wrote a story about the Terror Dentist, aka Anand Rao, a 33-year-old Rittenhouse Square dentist and Wilco super-fan who was visited by the FBI after somebody, possibly a patient, made an anonymous tip. A few weeks before then-Attorney General John Ashcroft held one of his curiously timed be-very-afraid-terrorists-walk-among-us press conferences. One of the cold-blooded killers possibly hiding under your bed or mine was named Adnan. And Rao's first name was Anand. If that wasn't suspicious enough, Anand is of Indian descent and, to a nearsighted or paranoid elderly patient, could pass for an Arab.

The whole thing ended happily, with the FBI agent asking Anand for a dental appointment. In the accompanying photo, Anand posed in his beloved Wilco shirt, purchased off eBay for a princely sum and rumored to have belonged to the drummer.

Somehow Wilco sees the story and links it on their website, for like the whole summer. At one point, their Web master got a hold of me, saying the band wanted to invite Anand to see them perform at Radio City Music Hall. Free tickets, backstage passes, the whole nine yards. We'd become friends by this point, and Anand thought it was only fair that he take me-or maybe I said that, I'm a little fuzzy. I definitely told him he couldn't tell them who he was bringing because it might queer the deal.

So the big night rolls around, we stroll up to the box office at Radio City and ... no tickets. Come back later, they say. The band hasn't turned in the guest list yet. That's odd, I think. It's less than a half-hour to show time. We go out front and a couple people in line recognize Anand. "Aren't you that Terror Dentist guy?"

Anand tells me he feels like a rockstar. With the clock dwindling, we agree to drop a $100 pair of scalper tickets just to be safe. We're not going to come all this way and miss the show. As we head back inside, we check at the ticket booth one last time. No dice. We explain the whole Terror Dentist saga to this sweet old lady usher, she goes backstage, finds Wilco's road manager, explains the deal, comes back with two tickets. Don't worry about the passes, she says. Just go to the backstage door after the show.

Cool, we think. We go inside, watch the show. In a word: transplendent. But you already know that, and if you don't you can check out Kicking Television, the just-out live album recorded over four nights at the Vic Theater in Chicago. How is it? It's fucking great. They're my favorite band. What do you think I'm gonna say?

So after the show we knock on the backstage door. A smiling security guard opens the door and asks us if we're here for the party. Yes, very much so, we say. He looks for our names on the list and when he can't find them he stops smiling and slams the door in our faceS. Just then this guy walks up. British accent. Looks like he's in the Strokes.

"Blimey," he says. "You're that Terror Dentist bloke, ain't ya, mate?"

Again, rockstar moment for Anand. Turns out he's Wilco's road manager and he's gonna get everything sorted. We follow him inside and up the elevator. He tells us he's got to make preparations for the party downstairs, so he's gonna escort us up to the band's dressing room. "Wait till they see you!"

The elevator door opens up, and we're deposited in the tiny hallway outside their dressing room, crowded with the band's inner circle: manager, publicist, a few Nonesuch bigwigs. I turn around and I'm standing face to face with Jeff Tweedy. Last time I talked to him, he asked me to never call him again. Tweedy gives me the hairy eyeball and retreats into the dressing room and slams the door shut. Up walks Wilco's manager, Tony Margherita, who kinda looks like his name sounds.

"I'm gonna take you guys to the party," he says. We get on the elevator and head down, the door opens and we get out, you know, to go to the party. And then we realize we're back at the backstage door and spin around to see the Tony Margherita still in the elevator as the doors close in our face. We've just been kicked to the curb. Anand was pissed. But me, I remember thinking I would die if I could come back new.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

why does neil ferguson hate teh twee?

america's next top ramen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

is he really saying that primal scream are more "elvis" than morrissey?

america's next top ramen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

if someone could actually point out when sarah records was ever hip i'd love to know

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

also shoegazing: not hip, never hip. hip does not necessarily mean 'things i don't like that others do'

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

i dont know. the whole article confuses me. this is my response from another board, it sums up my feelings:

dude blows a gasket because someone swiped his favorite barstool at bob and barbara's; pulls classic little man complex move by penning said article. im sure in the back of his mind, he's thinking "yeah, i really got them!" but honestly it reads like a bunch of gobbledygook.

but to get riled up over it? pointless. the few times i've met neil he seems like an alright dude, although i do think he he harbors an unusual fascination with hammell on trial.

people are allowed to make mistakes and get jealous, except that most of the time, they're usually not committed to newsprint -- just anonymous posts on craigslist.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

i bet his favorite band is the pixies.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

reading that (first) article, I was just thinking about that whole pot-kettle thing

Binjominia (Brilhante), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

also, jim's right... if philadelphia is really so full of twee-and-shoegaze loving hipsters that it pisses people off, i'm moving there tomorrow. i could finally be glitterati! the kind that really likes actual glitter!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Isn't the first one a gag? The hipster protesting he's not a hipster like all the other hipsters until finally forced to admit it at the end? Is he putting down hipsters, or is he putting down the idea of hipsters putting down hipsters? Whatever he's doing, he's not doing it well.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

It's both off-mark and extremely tired, but at least the writing is complete shit.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

The only people who could possibly feel that upset and put that much effort into hating on hipsters are probably sad that they're too fat to fit into tight Lee jeans and a kid-size tee.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

fortunate hazel OTM.

owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

Still, I have to give him credit -- if he wanted to adopt a cultural marker that was in every way devoid of hipster interest, yet at the same time was definitively obscure and surprising, and which was in its own quiet way respectable, he could do little better than to be obsessed with Hammell on Trial.

Guayaquil (eephus), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

once people get the word "hipster" in their brains it's like ideological cocaine to them, they start imagining hipster in everything that ever rubs them the wrong way

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

The only people who could possibly feel that upset and put that much effort into hating on hipsters are probably sad that they're too fat to fit into tight Lee jeans and a kid-size tee.

No, it's people who really identified with music and thought it made them cool realizing their era has passed and yet they look at the new era and think, "That's not cool, you little twerp!" And if we're not all familiar with that feeling yet, we will be one day. I thought the reason this was so "tired" is because we've all been there, no? If we've all been there, then what's the harm in one more person "being there" at the moment? The new hipsters are in one spot in life (hating on non-hipsterism) and the old hipsters hating on new hipsters are in another. They both suck, let them be.

I AM OTM, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

Ya fuckin' scenester, Banana. You and your "exclusive" "black" "metal" "gigs."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

those hipsters in the new romantics sure hated popularity!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

once people get the word "hipster" in their brains it's like ideological cocaine to them, they start imagining hipster in everything that ever rubs them the wrong way

No they don't. I think you just wanted to use your fancy new term, "ideological cocaine." It is obvious what is hipsterism and what is not.

I AM OTM, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

soy-latte-drinking No, that'd be your yuppie readership. The New York Times thinks we're the sixth borough-ew! That's, like, so mainstream, I'm outta here"-thinking No one actually thinks that way and a lot of people, hipster and non, think the "6th borough" designation is pretty stupid. Silk City-loving WTF? Who DOESN'T love Silk City?

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

what a horrible article

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

what is silk city?

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

Hurting speaks for all hipsters, for he is one of the most in the know hipsters around. I guess.

I AM OTM, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

Just because a band is on an ultra-obscure indie label doesn't give it instant credibility and/or superior talent.

Gee, never thought about it that way.

I'm rapidly developing irony fatigue.

You too? I'm sensing some sort of a trend here, like an impending "death of irony," if you will.

Personally, I love all of ABBA's greatest hits (including "Voulez Vouz"), but it's a genuine love, born of an affection for huge, irrepressible, shiny, life-affirming pop

Hipsters ain't got no love for ABBA.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:54 (twenty years ago)

why don't you non-hipsters get some style already. you look like shit!

Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

Silk City is a fantastic diner. If I can't eat huevos rancheros, I don't want any part of your anti-hipster revolution.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

you kids with your ripped pants and dirty t-shirts. wear a tie!

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

I hate strawmen!

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

I was imagining Dana Carvey's Grumpy Old Man yelling out the first article.. which was at least funny.

I was imaginging a delusional dork reciting the second article, which seemed really tired and boring. Oh wait! Bingo!

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

SO GLAD TO BE GONE

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

Anybody who writes detailed articules on "hipsters" is, in my opinion, usually a) a hipster themself b) a former hipster c) someone in very, very close proximity to hipster culture. Most "non-hipsters" would not even use the word hipster to describe the avant-garde and usually don't even give a damn and/or are clueless about what they're doing culturally.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)

i particularly like the knuckle duster reference in the last paragraph, hilarious. what a fucking retard.

Blank Realm, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

'i hate hipsters'=i hate people who i think get sex

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

otm

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

that explains why i love ilx

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

the cluelessness of his self-professed hipsterdom is mesmerizing as like a testament to the weirdness of aging. sorta interesting to watch some aspects of cool stop dead in its tracks, and others kinda stagger on. its over him b/c he'll never be completely out of it or irony now. ABBA! Its a personal triumph.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

doesn't read well, meant "out of it FOR irony now-ABBA!" god damn. mine is over too.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Granted, Miles Davis knocked out a few good riffs in his time, and John Coltrane was pretty handy with a sax,

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

the dubious joys (albeit in an incredibly patronizing, borderline racist way) of bebop

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

Another day, another new British pop sensation mercilessly hyped by the ever salivating build-'em-up, knock-'em-down U.K. press. Will the Kaiser Chiefs change your life? Hardly. But in an (indie) music scene awash with singer/songwriter introspection and lo-fi bearded bores, Employment really is a welcome breath of fresh air. This is Britpop in the best sense-unashamedly, unabashedly British, cocksure and frisky as a rucksack full of puppies. From "I Predict a Riot" to "Every Day I Love You Less and Less," the Kaiser Chiefs offer up a heady mix of suburban ennui, small-town disaffection and bad relationships, tipping a distinct nod in the direction of early XTC and Blur. They have the looks, they've got the tunes and by God, they have huge, shouty choruses. To be fair, this kind of energy level is hard to sustain, and at times it does descend into guitar pop by numbers. And, like Blur, there's the ever-present suspicion of art-school kids slumming it. But what a debut. Smart, snazzy, literate and classy. - Neil Ferguson

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

"transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent.transplendent."

fgg, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

that ferguson quote is the single most paint-by-numbers music review i have ever read.

america's next top ramen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

I've no idea what goes on in Philadelphia, but I'm warming to this Ferguson guy. His list of heinous hipster genre-crimes is spectacularly OTM.

And **Dr. Martens are a timeless British fashion classic**. Why yes, they are!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Another day, another new Angolan countrypolitan sensation mercilessly hyped by the ever bifurcating build-'em-up, knock-'em-down U.A.E. press. Will the Kaity Tongs change your life? Hardly. But in an Angolan countrypolitan music scene awash with singer/songwriter exoskeletons and lo-fi bearded clams, Embolism really is a welcome lump of hardened blood. This is Angolan countrypolitan in the best sense-unashamedly, unabashedly rabid, mangy and fleabitten as a rucksack full of puppies.

america's next top ramen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm not entirely sure he needs to list 'sarah records' after already calling out the entire twee movement.

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Damn , now I'm confused AND self-loathing. Fuck me.

AgeD White Dude (dave225.3), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Damn , now I'm confused AND self-loathing. Fuck me.

I will, but first take off those non-trendy, unhip Doc Marten's.

I AM OTM, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

from a discussion about the article elsewhere on the internet:

person #1: Much like the sixth borough article, the purpose of this article was to be coy, to be half-ironic, to be offensive, to perplex the reader, and to get people arguing with one another about whether or not the article was accurate/good.

In this respect the article was successful.

yours truly: so thats the point of journalism these days -- to write pieces to make people question whether the article was good or not, rather than the actual issue at hand?

person #1: Well, that's the point of the NYT Style Section and most alternative weeklies. Anyone who looks to those pubs for an intelligent discussion of any issues at hand is always going to be disappointed.

person #2: yeah, the point of most alt weeklies is to make money from the sex ads, but that doesn't mean you have to accept the frightening mediocrity and out-of-touch-ness of PW and CP (all the more frightening as the long-useless Inky and DN sit prone and powerless beneath the pendulum), or the blind eye they turn towards actual issues affecting our city, or the constant focus on white people, usually young, usually involved in the cultural life of the city, and usually, by the definitions put forth in this article, hipsters. so it's completely circular. the weekly is by, for and about probably one of the smallest subsets of philadelphia, and one of the most irrelevant too. hooray. thank god i never have to read about poverty, racism, crime, corruption, the crippling septa strike, our crooked mayor, how dirty this city is, why cabs are such a ripoff, why train service can't be better, the chinatown bus, etc. etc. i can just sit back, relax and submit to complete and utter narcissism week after week.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

yr the type of guy that disses hipsters....i'm the type of guy that says the puddin' is delicious!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

xpost: I feel like he wants to have it both ways -- to mock what he perceives as "hipsterism", but also to justify that mockery by couching it as "satire".

Hi, I'm Schlegel's theory of poetic irony.

Sorry, I just lost the thread by referencing undergrad philosophy in reference to hipsters, didn't I?

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Hey! It is delicious!

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Both of these articles are really among the most annoying things I've ever seen in an alt-weekly, which is saying something. Is the PW always like that?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

gypsy mothra, yes. every good writer PW ever had has jumped ship for the city paper or elsewhere. i feel kind of bad for them... sometimes.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

amazing how a thread about Valania et al would turn into sad and pathetic, no?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

haha "into sad and pathetic," you can remove the "into" there, thx

(this is directed not one iota to Maria, obv.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised there was so much debate and doubt about the fact that it was supposed to be winking satire. Unnecessarily and poorly executed thought it may be, the intent seems pretty obvious once you actually read the whole thing.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

PW's music guys seem to have a lock on doing winking satire terribly, terribly badly, don't they?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Not winking so much as maybe he has something in his eye, a little mascara or something.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, the last couple sentences seemed like a rather big, overdone stage-wink.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

But yeah, that old cynical loser really has a case of narcissism of minor differences. I'm glad we're all so much better than him here. (WINK WINK)

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

It's clearly satire, but the laziest kind--the kind that won't cop to a point of view and thus can't be cogently argued with because it itself isn't cogent. It's also not very funny, so boo on all counts.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Al, name one worse music writer in the U.S. than Valania.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

It's as if the guy doesn't really care because he doesn't get paid that much and doesn't take his throwaway paper fodder as seriously as you all do. Hmmm.

Peninsula Morte, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Nobody's paying me to speak English on a day-to-day basis outside the office but I still try to do it cogently.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

But thanks for rearing the tired old "haw haw what a bunch of losers who hang out on message boards and take music writing seriously" nonargument again, creep.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Yeah, because lazy writing is a positive trait.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Dear Editor,

I'm far from what you would call a "hipster" but that doesn't mean I have to sit quietly when someone prints a bunch of hate literature and serves it up as social commentary. What we've got here is the pot calling the kettle black and a ridiculous straw man argument. Not only is it trite and boring, it is tired, juvenile and downright offensive to your readership [and blah blah blah self-righteous sanctimonious up on our high horse crap, etc. you get the idea.]

Signed,
ILM

I AM OTM, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

But thanks for rearing the tired old "haw haw what a bunch of losers who hang out on message boards and take music writing seriously" nonargument again, creep.

No problem, Wally.

The Beaver and Junk, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

whoa! I got served!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

i think i might idly start fucking with posts on this thread from here on out

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

just for kicks

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

DO IT

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Actually, we should all write half-sarcastic half-sincere letters to the editor talking about how we were reading the article on our internet message board while drinking Schlitz and listening to Messien and liked the parts that were serious but were annoyed by the parts that weren't serious and as such are canceling our subscriptions to the East Bay Express effective immediately.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

"The return of the Aging White Duke, throwing darts in popists' eyes...."

http://hem.bredband.net/connyandersson/davidthin.JPG

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

thank you for getting a GREAT riff stuck in my head, Alfred, I feel loads better now

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

WALLY roffle

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

I don't remember Wally being fat.

ghjgjhg, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

Alfred made the musical joke I dared not make (but I was thinking it the whole time).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

http://www.paistortuga.net/asnarin/famosillo/con_01_039%20-%20wally.jpg

gear (gear), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

i was all set to make the aging white duke joke too. thank you for relieving me of that.

america's next top ramen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

guess even with the septa thing it was a slow news week in philly.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

LOCK THREAD

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

muppets>hipsters

kephm (kephm), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Al, name one worse music writer in the U.S. than Valania.

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), November 9th, 2005.

Let's see, 1) all of my posts in this thread (all three of them!) were clearly about the Ferguson article, not the Valania one, 2) I was hardly defending either guy, 3) I'd never even heard of Valania before opening this thread, nor do I have much prior experience with PW and 4) I'm SURE there are plenty of worst music writers, but that's neither here nor there.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

(oops, worst = worse)

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm SURE there are plenty of worst music writers, but that's neither here nor there.

haha you had me till this

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

(Franz Ferdinand excepted, of course).

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

add some modifiers there (like PAID or WIDELY READ) and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, otherwise see one blogosphere

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

haha I have! but point(s) taken.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm waiting for someone to post another amusing photo; otherwise this thread will keep devolving.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 10 November 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

jim knipfel used to write this kinda thing all the time in the weekly column he had in philly. before he moved to new york. he hated hipsters too. but he was sadder. and he actually did skulk down the streets in a fedora and trenchcoat all the time, thus making him really unhip. plus, when he lived and wrote in philly it was some sorta crazy fucking hell on earth. which changed the tone some. plus, he could actually be funny. and he could write. i wonder if jess on the gilmore girls was inspired by any of his books?

i miss the pancakes at silk city!

and bob & barbaras was taken over by hipsters, like, a zillion gazillion years ago.

i remember, years ago, when me & my friends lamented the influx of college kidz at our dank and dear doobies. not hip college kids. just dorky Upenn kids.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 November 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

It's clearly satire, but the laziest kind--the kind that won't cop to a point of view

Wait, so it's not satire then.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

I've only gone to Bob & Barbara's for Dumpsta Players shows. For some reason I thought there was one tonight (it's next week) and the people I saw going into B&B's were not hipsters.

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why hipsters bother people, really. Loud people bother me, too much background noise, but if they're talking at reasonable levels I don't care if they're saying Franz Ferdinand was so a year ago.

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

Ha ha ha, wowwwww remember the time?

how's life, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 10:22 (twelve years ago)


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